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Morse code contest on Jay Leno
Tomorrow, Friday May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature
a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. Chip and Ken do a lot of contests and DXpeditions. Joe Drago, props manager for the show is KF6OCP. This should result in some excellent PR for ham radio. 73 De Don KA9QJG Friendly reminder: E |
"KC8GXW" wrote in message ... Tomorrow, Friday May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. Chip and Ken do a lot of contests and DXpeditions. Joe Drago, props manager for the show is KF6OCP. This should result in some excellent PR for ham radio. 73 De Don KA9QJG YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN |
Bill Sohl wrote:
Failure to consider the details? There's no accounting for stupid decisions or apparently the Text Messgae champion didn't do his homework. If he had, he'd know morse code experts exceed his own 160 character per minute Guiness World Record rate. But the text message whiz kids were probably certain that text messaging, being the latest technology, would just have to blow away something as ancient as Morse code. Guess they found out differently. |
Lloyd wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN! Lloyd yawns because he doesn't understand Morse code. |
KC8GXW wrote:
May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN! |
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wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to recipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Yeah rationalize all you want BUT
The cell phoners lost to a 160 year old technology CW LIVES -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to recipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Not on my cellphone. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Of course - but the same is true of some Morse characters, too. Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. The text-message sender was the *world champion*. He's in the Guinness book for 160 characters in 57 seconds. Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to recipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. That didn't matter in this test because the text messager hadn't even finished inputting the message when the Morse ops were done - with hard copy (pencil and paper). The audience was confident the text-message folks would win. They made a heck of a racket but the Morse ops were unfazed. Did you see the clip, Bill? You can download it from a number of websites, in .wmv format. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Not on my cellphone. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Of course - but the same is true of some Morse characters, too. Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. The text-message sender was the *world champion*. He's in the Guinness book for 160 characters in 57 seconds. Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to recipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. That didn't matter in this test because the text messager hadn't even finished inputting the message when the Morse ops were done - with hard copy (pencil and paper). The audience was confident the text-message folks would win. They made a heck of a racket but the Morse ops were unfazed. Did you see the clip, Bill? You can download it from a number of websites, in .wmv format. I can see it now . . "Faster sells!", the next wave of cellphones will come equipped with paddles. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno featured a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team consisted of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Failure to consider the details? There's no accounting for stupid decisions or apparently the Text Messgae champion didn't do his homework. If he had, he'd know morse code experts exceed his own 160 character per minute Guiness World Record rate. Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Not on my cellphone. There must be some default delay. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Of course - but the same is true of some Morse characters, too. But three dits for an S is still likly faster than a cellphone keypad response. Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. The text-message sender was the *world champion*. He's in the Guinness book for 160 characters in 57 seconds. Thats roughly 32 wpm. No real threat to many "high-speed" morse code folks. Isn't the morse code record well over 50wpm (50 wpm = 250 characters/min)? Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to receipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. That didn't matter in this test because the text messager hadn't even finished inputting the message when the Morse ops were done - with hard copy (pencil and paper). OK. The audience was confident the text-message folks would win. They made a heck of a racket but the Morse ops were unfazed. No accounting for lack of knowledge on the audience's part. Did you see the clip, Bill? You can download it from a number of websites, in .wmv format. 73 de Jim, N2EY Haven't seen it myself...just heard about it this morning. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Who's rationalizing? I just stated the obvious
as I see it. The winner being morse is not surprising to me. Personally I'm glad it happened. It gives amateur radio, and CW in particular, a rare opportunity to get national attention. Cheers, Bill K2UNK "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:nW1ie.16266$eU.14548@fed1read07... Yeah rationalize all you want BUT The cell phoners lost to a 160 year old technology CW LIVES CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to recipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno featured a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team consisted of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Failure to consider the details? There's no accounting for stupid decisions or apparently the Text Messgae champion didn't do his homework. If he had, he'd know morse code experts exceed his own 160 character per minute Guiness World Record rate. Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Not on my cellphone. There must be some default delay. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Of course - but the same is true of some Morse characters, too. But three dits for an S is still likly faster than a cellphone keypad response. Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. The text-message sender was the *world champion*. He's in the Guinness book for 160 characters in 57 seconds. Thats roughly 32 wpm. No real threat to many "high-speed" morse code folks. Isn't the morse code record well over 50wpm (50 wpm = 250 characters/min)? The official record is over 70wpm (see The Art & Skill of Radiotelegraphy) and that would be a blazing 350+ characters per minute. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Bill Sohl wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno featured a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team consisted of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Failure to consider the details? Obviously. There's no accounting for stupid decisions or apparently the Text Messgae champion didn't do his homework. If he had, he'd know morse code experts exceed his own 160 character per minute Guiness World Record rate. You'd think the Guinness World Record Holder for text messaging would have looked up the equivalent record for Morse code.... Sending text from a cellphone is pretty clumsy and slow. After each character is inputted sender must wait a second or so for the character to be accepted and for the "cursor" to move to the next position indicating it is ready for the next character to be inputted. Not on my cellphone. There must be some default delay. You push a key that makes it accept the character right away. Also, different characters take several repeated "pushes" of the key associated with that character to get to that character... Of course - but the same is true of some Morse characters, too. But three dits for an S is still likly faster than a cellphone keypad response. Sure. But look a letters like C and Y... Example: The letter 'S' is on keypad number 7 (along with P, Q and R) and to get an 'S' into the text message you must hit the 7 button four times to cycle the character selection first to P, then to Q, then to R and then to S. The text-message sender was the *world champion*. He's in the Guinness book for 160 characters in 57 seconds. Thats roughly 32 wpm. No real threat to many "high-speed" morse code folks. Isn't the morse code record well over 50wpm (50 wpm = 250 characters/min)? It's over 75 wpm. The limiting factor experienced by the two Morse Code ops was how fast the receiving op could block-print with pencil on paper. They wanted to be able to hold up the received copy so there'd be no question of reception. Even after the text message is completed and sent, there is a latency and delay in actual delivery from the cellphone of the sender to receipt at the cellphone of the individual intended to receive the test message. That didn't matter in this test because the text messager hadn't even finished inputting the message when the Morse ops were done - with hard copy (pencil and paper). OK. The audience was confident the text-message folks would win. They made a heck of a racket but the Morse ops were unfazed. No accounting for lack of knowledge on the audience's part. Just made it more of a sporting course. Did you see the clip, Bill? You can download it from a number of websites, in .wmv format. 73 de Jim, N2EY Haven't seen it myself...just heard about it this morning. Try this one: http://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/Text_vs_Mor...2005_05_13.wmv It's an 8 MB .wmv file. Other sites have bigger files but they don't show any more of the clip. Best bet is to leftclick, then choose "Save Target As" so you don't tie up the server. With dialup, that's about the only way. Worth the wait. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Caveat Lector" wrote in news:nW1ie.16266
$eU.14548@fed1read07: Yeah rationalize all you want BUT The cell phoners lost to a 160 year old technology CW LIVES Shhhhhhh, Quiet, The dumb down ham radio anti-Code ARRL crowd doesn't want anyone to know CW is an effective way to communicate. Why did the league screw the service. Outcome based licensing. Quantity not quality. To feed corporate greed. Like CB'er type behavior. Cancel your League memberships, they're doing anyone who loves the hobby any good. KB7ADL |
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Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: Failure to consider the details? There's no accounting for stupid decisions or apparently the Text Messgae champion didn't do his homework. If he had, he'd know morse code experts exceed his own 160 character per minute Guiness World Record rate. But the text message whiz kids were probably certain that text messaging, being the latest technology, would just have to blow away something as ancient as Morse code. Guess they found out differently. If the CEO of NEXTEL had to pass a Morse Code exam to get his company licensed, we wouldn't have a NEXTEL. |
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bb wrote:
wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Are you really that stupid? Don't leave us hanging, Brian. Why did they do it? Was the thousands of dollars in valueable cash and prizes? Was it to gain needed exposure for their garage band? Was it because they're masochists? Was it because they're a couple of clueless boobs? Dave K8MN |
bb wrote:
If the CEO of NEXTEL had to pass a Morse Code exam to get his company licensed, we wouldn't have a NEXTEL. To quote you, "Are you really that stupid?" Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Are you really that stupid? Don't leave us hanging, Brian. Why did they do it? Was the thousands of dollars in valueable cash and prizes? Was it to gain needed exposure for their garage band? Was it because they're masochists? Was it because they're a couple of clueless boobs? Dave K8MN Because even bad publicity is publicity. |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: If the CEO of NEXTEL had to pass a Morse Code exam to get his company licensed, we wouldn't have a NEXTEL. To quote you, "Are you really that stupid?" Dave K8MN I wondered what it would take to get you out of the woodwork again? How are those out of band Frenchmen doing these days? |
bb wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Are you really that stupid? Don't leave us hanging, Brian. Why did they do it? Was the thousands of dollars in valueable cash and prizes? Was it to gain needed exposure for their garage band? Was it because they're masochists? Was it because they're a couple of clueless boobs? Dave K8MN Because even bad publicity is publicity. I'm sure the Roger Wisemans and Todd O'Whatshisfaces of the world applaud your view. Dave K8MN |
bb wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: If the CEO of NEXTEL had to pass a Morse Code exam to get his company licensed, we wouldn't have a NEXTEL. To quote you, "Are you really that stupid?" Dave K8MN I wondered what it would take to get you out of the woodwork again? How are those out of band Frenchmen doing these days? There was nothing about the French in your post, Brian. Tell us how a five word per minute code exam would have stymied the CEO of Nextel. Nothing would have ever been accomplished if a morse test was involved. You're almost as pathetic as Leonard. Dave K8MN |
bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Are you really that stupid? Don't leave us hanging, Brian. Why did they do it? Was the thousands of dollars in valueable cash and prizes? Was it to gain needed exposure for their garage band? Was it because they're masochists? Was it because they're a couple of clueless boobs? Dave K8MN Because even bad publicity is publicity. AHA! There it is! Completely explains why you and what's-his-face the warped old bench tech from LA continue to post your off-the-wall inanities to this NG. Publicity at *any* cost. Got it. Carry on. w3rv |
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 19 2005 3:29 pm
wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... KC8GXW previously wrote: May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW. They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Are you really that stupid? I don't think Jimmy Noserve is "stupid" exactly. He's so brainwashed by amateur morsemanship that he can't come to any intellectual decision...for him there is NO decision to make. :-) Some just can't think out of their little box. It's like the retired engineer who came on Johnny Carson's "Tonight Show" with a powered unicycle. One-wheeled cycle, powered by a small gas engine used in lawn mowers. Johnny had some good- natured fun with the guest and, when the guest had trouble starting the gas engine (with a pull rope), Johnny got in and pulled several times. The rope BROKE. All kinds of laughter from the audience. [most "knew it couldn't be done" years before the Segway debuted...] Carson invited the guest back later...this time with a new pull-start rope. The electronically stabilized powered unicycle did indeed work and the guest tooled around the small stage to well-deserved applause. This might have been one of the last shows of "Tonight" in New York City before moving to Burbank...don't have an exact air date on it. So, all the amateur morsemen "knew" that morse code would "triumph" in this non-contest twit of the TXT-ing fad. :-) Indeed, all the amateur morsemen in here do the cheering and "morse-patriotism" thing because they, too, have been brainwashed into thinking that morsemanship is "real operating" in radio. They will leap and embrace the slightest thing that makes morse "better" than any other mode. :-) |
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wrote in message ups.com... May 13th, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno will feature a message sending/receiving contest between a cell phone text messaging team and a Morse code team. The Morse code team will consist of Chip Margelli K7JA and Ken Miller K6CTW They utterly smoked the text messaging folks. The look on the text-message guy's face when the receiving Morse op put up his hand (signaling) that he had the message complete) was priceless. And the Morse ops weren't even going that fast... 73 de Jim, N2EY (Bill K2UNK): Pretty much a no brainer that the text messaging would lose. (Jim N2EY): Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? (bb wrote): Are you really that stupid? (Len wrote): I don't think Jimmy Noserve is "stupid" exactly. He's so brainwashed by amateur morsemanship that he can't come to any intellectual decision...for him there is NO decision to make. :-) Some just can't think out of their little box. (SNIP of Unicycle story) So, all the amateur morsemen "knew" that morse code would "triumph" in this non-contest twit of the TXT-ing fad. :-) Len, I don't consider myself an "amateur morseman" but I could see that morse would win out over current text messaging via cellphone. Now if the input device for text messaging had been a full keyboard, then I'd expect the text messaging to win out as I belive records for typing/keyboarding (100+ WPM I think) do exceed the morse record (70+ per someone else's post). Indeed, all the amateur morsemen in here do the cheering and "morse-patriotism" thing because they, too, have been brainwashed into thinking that morsemanship is "real operating" in radio. Sorry Len, I can't agree with your statements here. Like it or not, morse operating IS real operating radio... just as driving my antique cars is real automobile driving. Is morse commonplace outside of ham radio? No it isn't, but that does not make the use of morse by hams any less "operating radio" then any other mode. Given that you (Len) believe morse is NOT operating radio, would it be your desire to see morse banned as a mode of use by amateurs? They (amateur morsemen) will leap and embrace the slightest thing that makes morse "better" than any other mode. :-) I don't see anything in the morse win over text messaging that suggests that. The morse win over text messaging was a specific comparison only. The win did not prove nor did I see any amateur in this newsgroup suggest that the win showed that morse was "better than any other mode." Yes, I've been around this newsgroup long enough to know that there is a handful (or at least was at one time) of hams that might have held such "morse is better than any other mode" perspective, but I think the issue has ckarified significantly in recent years to the point that the issue is the TEST and only the test for most hams. As such, I applaud the morse win over Text messaging because it was a good opportunity to get some publicity for ham radio. Will text messaging always be second (speed wise) to morse...who knows, but without a full keyboard for entry, I suspect it will be...but maybe someday there will be telepathic input of text at which point all bets are off :-) :-) Cheers and congrats again to the morse winners. Bill K2UNK |
Bill Sohl wrote:
Given that you (Len) believe morse is NOT operating radio, would it be your desire to see morse banned as a mode of use by amateurs? The reason that lennieboy believes Morse is not operating radio is because he can't do it. |
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"Justín Käse" wrote in message news:428e498e.4795867@chupacabra... In nk.net posted on Fri, 20 May 2005 13:15:42 GMT, Bill Sohl wrote: As such, I applaud the morse win over Text messaging because it was a good opportunity to get some publicity for ham radio. Will text messaging always be second (speed wise) to morse...who knows, but without a full keyboard for entry, I suspect it will be...but maybe someday there will be telepathic input of text at which point all bets are off :-) :-) If there's ever a way to do telepathic text entry to a keyboard, then why not just telepath it to the receiver's notepad instead? Telepathic signal path loss/dissipation over distance :-) :-) Cheers Bill K2UNK |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: If the CEO of NEXTEL had to pass a Morse Code exam to get his company licensed, we wouldn't have a NEXTEL. To quote you, "Are you really that stupid?" Dave K8MN I wondered what it would take to get you out of the woodwork again? How are those out of band Frenchmen doing these days? There was nothing about the French in your post, Brian. Yes there was. See above. Tell us how a five word per minute code exam would have stymied the CEO of Nextel. Nothing would have ever been accomplished if a morse test was involved. What's to tell? You're almost as pathetic as Leonard. Len never worked Frenchmen out of band. |
Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: Then why did the text-message folks agree to the contest? Are you really that stupid? Don't leave us hanging, Brian. Why did they do it? Was the thousands of dollars in valueable cash and prizes? Was it to gain needed exposure for their garage band? Was it because they're masochists? Was it because they're a couple of clueless boobs? Dave K8MN Because even bad publicity is publicity. I'm sure the Roger Wisemans and Todd O'Whatshisfaces of the world applaud your view. Dave K8MN Who are they? |
From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri,May 20 2005 1:15 pm
wrote in message oups.com... Len, I don't consider myself an "amateur morseman" but I could see that morse would win out over current text messaging via cellphone. Agreed, Bill. :-) That bit of entertainment, and of twitting the TXT-ers on their cell phones, was never any "contest." :-) Now if the input device for text messaging had been a full keyboard, then I'd expect the text messaging to win out as I belive records for typing/keyboarding (100+ WPM I think) do exceed the morse record (70+ per someone else's post). Agreed again, but - again - that bit on the "Tonight Show" was never any "contest" to "prove" anything. A few things are evident in this newsgroup. Firstly, there are the cast-in-concrete conservatives who have been brainwashed into believing that the ULTIMATE skill in amateur radio is morsemanship. Secondly, there is that handful of irregular regulars in here trying to "win out" over anyone expressing any opinion other than theirs...those stop at nothing to attempt damaging their "opponents" credibility through the usual attempted intimidation and personal insults. It matters not - in this newsgroup environment - that the rest of the radio world has "put morse to the test" and found it wanting in favor of better communications modes. The only practitioners of morsemanship still active and USING it are in amateur radio in the USA. All the other radio services in the USA have given up on using any form of morse code for communications. [automated station IDs in morse tones is not communications] Indeed, all the amateur morsemen in here do the cheering and "morse-patriotism" thing because they, too, have been brainwashed into thinking that morsemanship is "real operating" in radio. Sorry Len, I can't agree with your statements here. Like it or not, morse operating IS real operating radio... just as driving my antique cars is real automobile driving. Bill, in all honesty, I was talking about the PCTA Extra Double Standard brainwashed diehards in here...NOT yourself...OR driving antique cars. Witness the constant statements of that "expert military communicator" who keeps insisting I was "only a radio mechanic" or the critic who never served but "had dinner with the Captain (of an aircraft carrier)." :-) Morsemanship IS PART of radio operating...but ONLY of a radio that actually DOES USE on-off keying of the RF carrier with morse code. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED by anyone operating an aircraft radio - either civilian or military. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED of anyone operating a broadcast services transmitter. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED for anyone sending a GMDSS distress or safety message. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED of any of the radios (in the millions) used in Public Safety or Private Land Mobile Radio Service. Not in the FCC regulations for those radio services...and others. Is morse commonplace outside of ham radio? No it isn't, but that does not make the use of morse by hams any less "operating radio" then any other mode. Given that you (Len) believe morse is NOT operating radio, would it be your desire to see morse banned as a mode of use by amateurs? Bill, that's NOT a "given." IF and only IF morse code skills ARE REQUIRED in radio operation, then morsemanship IS a PART of radio operation. Do not try to put words in there that I am "banning morse code operation" in amateur radio. I am NOT. Others - in here - have already tried that. They have failed...but they keep persisting in their misguided attempts to suppress the real subjects by their personal attacks and misstatements against others. You haven't posed a viable question. They (amateur morsemen) will leap and embrace the slightest thing that makes morse "better" than any other mode. :-) I don't see anything in the morse win over text messaging that suggests that. The morse win over text messaging was a specific comparison only. Call it a "loaded test" akin to a "loaded question." A SETUP. Cellular telephony does not, nor was it ever designed, to send textual communications. Cellular telephony was designed and implemented to communicate by VOICE. The win did not prove nor did I see any amateur in this newsgroup suggest that the win showed that morse was "better than any other mode." Bill, I will have to put you down as a LITERALIST then. A "literalist" is one who takes all written text as it is, unable to read in anything "between the lines" and acting like some "language purist." I'm sorry you've turned into that. Yes, I've been around this newsgroup long enough to know that there is a handful (or at least was at one time) of hams that might have held such "morse is better than any other mode" perspective, but I think the issue has ckarified significantly in recent years to the point that the issue is the TEST and only the test for most hams. This newsgrope group is NOT "most hams." :-) It is a handful of PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers on some personal "mission" to "win supremacy" in a newsgroup. They will readily fall-to anyone speaking against the league-speak and attack them like starving vultures after ripe carrion. :-) As such, I applaud the morse win over Text messaging because it was a good opportunity to get some publicity for ham radio. "Publicity," yes. But at what price? By putting other means of communications DOWN in a rigged test? If that's the only means of "getting publicity" nationally, then it is of rather low taste. WHERE has any ardent radio amateur run with this "victory for morse code?" The only talk seems to be WITHIN amateur radio circles. Does the general public give a damn one way or another? The general public has seen morse code "in action" in many western movies and TV shows, set in periods well before anyone's time. The general public is bound to have seen "TXT-ing" by teeners and others in the present time, eye-witnessing it in person. Right now TXT-ing is part of at least three commercial ads on TV...that I've seen today. Haven't seen a thing on amateur radio lately (discounting that non-contest "contest" on "Tonight"). Bill, it's NOT my job to promote amateur radio. I don't have an amateur radio license nor any vested interest in amateur radio. My purpose in here has been to argue against the morse code TEST for any amateur radio license. My "opponents" in here have generally been an insulting little group of hypocritical moralsts "representing" the "highest class" of USA radio amateurs. As EXAMPLES, they've been far from good for the "amateur community." Will text messaging always be second (speed wise) to morse...who knows, but without a full keyboard for entry, I suspect it will be...but maybe someday there will be telepathic input of text at which point all bets are off :-) :-) Why do you bring up "telepathy" as a communications mode? You have to understand that the PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers ALREADY KBNOW that all amateurs "must" test for morse code. They don't NEED "telepathy" when they have proven morsemanship skills. ["CW gets through when nothing else will"...probably including telepathy and electric power] The discussions should be about the TEST for morsemanship. It isn't. The contents of these newsgroper's messages is a comical set of middle-school juvenile posturing and adolescent cuss words...especially those of other languages and dialects not native to those middle-aged adolescents. So, 91 years after the ARRL was formed, the best national- exposure "publicity for amateur radio" is a rigged late-night TV show segment ridiculing cell phone TXT-ing? According to the U.S. Census Bureau figures for 2004, there are 100 million cell phone subscriptions in the USA. How many morse code operators are there in radio in the USA? |
wrote in message ups.com... From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri,May 20 2005 1:15 pm wrote in message roups.com... Len, I don't consider myself an "amateur morseman" but I could see that morse would win out over current text messaging via cellphone. Agreed, Bill. :-) That bit of entertainment, and of twitting the TXT-ers on their cell phones, was never any "contest." :-) Now if the input device for text messaging had been a full keyboard, then I'd expect the text messaging to win out as I belive records for typing/keyboarding (100+ WPM I think) do exceed the morse record (70+ per someone else's post). Agreed again, but - again - that bit on the "Tonight Show" was never any "contest" to "prove" anything. A few things are evident in this newsgroup. Firstly, there are the cast-in-concrete conservatives who have been brainwashed into believing that the ULTIMATE skill in amateur radio is morsemanship. Secondly, there is that handful of irregular regulars in here trying to "win out" over anyone expressing any opinion other than theirs...those stop at nothing to attempt damaging their "opponents" credibility through the usual attempted intimidation and personal insults. Personally, if someone wants to believe that morse is THE ULTIMATE skill in amateur radio, that's their right and opinion. Clearly neither you nor I agree with that. It matters not - in this newsgroup environment - that the rest of the radio world has "put morse to the test" and found it wanting in favor of better communications modes. The only practitioners of morsemanship still active and USING it are in amateur radio in the USA. All the other radio services in the USA have given up on using any form of morse code for communications. [automated station IDs in morse tones is not communications] Actually there are others in amateur radio "outside" the USA that also embrace morse as a favored mode. Indeed, all the amateur morsemen in here do the cheering and "morse-patriotism" thing because they, too, have been brainwashed into thinking that morsemanship is "real operating" in radio. Sorry Len, I can't agree with your statements here. Like it or not, morse operating IS real operating radio... just as driving my antique cars is real automobile driving. Bill, in all honesty, I was talking about the PCTA Extra Double Standard brainwashed diehards in here...NOT yourself...OR driving antique cars. OK, but that's not how it read. Witness the constant statements of that "expert military communicator" who keeps insisting I was "only a radio mechanic" or the critic who never served but "had dinner with the Captain (of an aircraft carrier)." :-) I try to avoid all personal attack commentary. Morsemanship IS PART of radio operating...but ONLY of a radio that actually DOES USE on-off keying of the RF carrier with morse code. Which covers a considerable amount of radios. Additionally, it is not simply CW (on-off keying of carrier) that allows use of morse. I can send morse as an on/off tone via any FM capable transmitter. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED by anyone operating an aircraft radio - either civilian or military. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED of anyone operating a broadcast services transmitter. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED for anyone sending a GMDSS distress or safety message. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED of any of the radios (in the millions) used in Public Safety or Private Land Mobile Radio Service. Not in the FCC regulations for those radio services...and others. Agreed and nothing I said contradicts that. Is morse commonplace outside of ham radio? No it isn't, but that does not make the use of morse by hams any less "operating radio" then any other mode. Given that you (Len) believe morse is NOT operating radio, would it be your desire to see morse banned as a mode of use by amateurs? Bill, that's NOT a "given." IF and only IF morse code skills ARE REQUIRED in radio operation, then morsemanship IS a PART of radio operation. Well at this point, morse as a requirement is only required for General and Extra class licenses...which is a requirement I am totally on record as opposing. Do not try to put words in there that I am "banning morse code operation" in amateur radio. I am NOT. Good...thanks for the clarification. Others - in here - have already tried that. They have failed...but they keep persisting in their misguided attempts to suppress the real subjects by their personal attacks and misstatements against others. You haven't posed a viable question. The question was posed to see what role, if any, you accept as valid via amateur radio. They (amateur morsemen) will leap and embrace the slightest thing that makes morse "better" than any other mode. :-) I don't see anything in the morse win over text messaging that suggests that. The morse win over text messaging was a specific comparison only. Call it a "loaded test" akin to a "loaded question." A SETUP. Call it whatever. It makes no difference as I see it. Cellular telephony does not, nor was it ever designed, to send textual communications. Cellular telephony was designed and implemented to communicate by VOICE. Agree totally...which is why I would expect morse to win as it did. The win did not prove nor did I see any amateur in this newsgroup suggest that the win showed that morse was "better than any other mode." Bill, I will have to put you down as a LITERALIST then. A "literalist" is one who takes all written text as it is, unable to read in anything "between the lines" and acting like some "language purist." I'm sorry you've turned into that. I will wear the badge of "literalist" with pride. Frankly there's too much reading between the lines anyway. If people can't be straight-up, then I'm not here to second guess their true intentions. Yes, I've been around this newsgroup long enough to know that there is a handful (or at least was at one time) of hams that might have held such "morse is better than any other mode" perspective, but I think the issue has ckarified significantly in recent years to the point that the issue is the TEST and only the test for most hams. This newsgrope group is NOT "most hams." :-) I didn't say it was. It is a handful of PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers on some personal "mission" to "win supremacy" in a newsgroup. They will readily fall-to anyone speaking against the league-speak and attack them like starving vultures after ripe carrion. :-) The newsgroup has "some" folks that might fit your description...but they are fewer today than before and they are not sole participants in the newsgroup as others (you, me, etc) clearly have differing viewpoints. As such, I applaud the morse win over Text messaging because it was a good opportunity to get some publicity for ham radio. "Publicity," yes. But at what price? By putting other means of communications DOWN in a rigged test? Should we have a pity party for the poor text messaging record holder. If the text message folks feared a put down then they had the option to not play. They decided to play and they lost....fair, square, contrived or how ever you feel it was inevitable that text messaging would lose. If that's the only means of "getting publicity" nationally, then it is of rather low taste. Why is it of low taste? Did the losers get razzed by the morse winners? WHERE has any ardent radio amateur run with this "victory for morse code?" The only talk seems to be WITHIN amateur radio circles. Does the general public give a damn one way or another? The general public has seen morse code "in action" in many western movies and TV shows, set in periods well before anyone's time. When was the last time you saw morse used on any TV show...especially as a mode used by hams? I watch a fair amount of TV and can't recall it. But the issue of publicity is simple. The airing of the morse vs text messaging contest was a brief opportunity to expose amateur radio to the public. I have no doubt that there would not be a sudden wave of new interest because of that airing, but perhaps it stirred some interest in a few...which is fine by me. The general public is bound to have seen "TXT-ing" by teeners and others in the present time, eye-witnessing it in person. Right now TXT-ing is part of at least three commercial ads on TV...that I've seen today. Haven't seen a thing on amateur radio lately (discounting that non-contest "contest" on "Tonight"). Agreed which is why the contest at least was a positive exposure for ham radio...whether one like or dislikes morse code. Bill, it's NOT my job to promote amateur radio. I don't have an amateur radio license nor any vested interest in amateur radio. My purpose in here has been to argue against the morse code TEST for any amateur radio license. Then argue against the test. Your post appeared to be far more focused against morse use in general rather than specifically the test requirement. My "opponents" in here have generally been an insulting little group of hypocritical moralsts "representing" the "highest class" of USA radio amateurs. As EXAMPLES, they've been far from good for the "amateur community." As before, I try to stay out of the personal attack commentary that I've seen some of these discussions reduced to. Will text messaging always be second (speed wise) to morse...who knows, but without a full keyboard for entry, I suspect it will be...but maybe someday there will be telepathic input of text at which point all bets are off :-) :-) Why do you bring up "telepathy" as a communications mode? Please note the two smilies at the end of the statement. You have to understand that the PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers ALREADY KBNOW that all amateurs "must" test for morse code. But we already know that morse is NOT a requirement for every ham license and in more and more countries it is being dropped completely. The USA will surely follow...it is just a matter of time. It's not happening here fast enough (IMHO), but it will. They don't NEED "telepathy" when they have proven morsemanship skills. ["CW gets through when nothing else will"...probably including telepathy and electric power] And we already know the FCC doesn't accept that argument. The discussions should be about the TEST for morsemanship. It isn't. The contents of these newsgroper's messages is a comical set of middle-school juvenile posturing and adolescent cuss words...especially those of other languages and dialects not native to those middle-aged adolescents. This discussion started when the contest was reported. No one that I recall claimed it proved or otherwise served to support justification of continued morse testing. From my reading it was simply a bit of positive publicity on a national TV show. So, 91 years after the ARRL was formed, the best national- exposure "publicity for amateur radio" is a rigged late-night TV show segment ridiculing cell phone TXT-ing? Who said it was "the best" publicity? It was a brief one-shot opportunity. That's it. According to the U.S. Census Bureau figures for 2004, there are 100 million cell phone subscriptions in the USA. How many morse code operators are there in radio in the USA? Your point? Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Leave it to Len to repost 100 plus lines to say what he could say in six or less words. Brevity, Len, brevity. |
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