Stagger Lee wrote:


To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is
dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove
their case.

And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much."

Those who are too dumb or lazy to get a license like to parrot the old
standard, 'ham radio is dying". They can't make the grade so they like
to think ham radio will someday go away then they won't feel so inferior.

By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the
population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and
inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that
alzheimers man!

Warmest regards,
John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
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Stagger Lee wrote:


To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is
dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove
their case.

And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much."

Those who are too dumb or lazy to get a license like to parrot the old
standard, 'ham radio is dying". They can't make the grade so they like to
think ham radio will someday go away then they won't feel so inferior.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the
population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and
inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that
alzheimers man!

Warmest regards,
John


The general population is NOT growing by leaps and bounds.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Just the increase in illegal aliens qualifies for "leaps and bounds"
status...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the
population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and
inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that
alzheimers man!

Warmest regards,
John


The general population is NOT growing by leaps and bounds.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

John Smith wrote:
By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying

Well, shrinking, anyway. The total number of US hams is down slightly
from the peak of a few years ago, while the total US population
continues to grow.

But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the
April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written
testing for all available license classes. IOW, making
the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in
sustained growth.

Looking further back, examine the growth from 1990 or 1991 to
2000. (1990 is when medical waivers made it possible to get
any amateur license with a 5 wpm test, and 1991 is when the
Technician lost its code test. Then compare the growth in that
9 year period to the growth in an equal period of time before
1990 or 1991. You'll find that the overall increase in the '80s
was *greater* than in the '90s.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote


But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the
April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written
testing for all available license classes. IOW, making
the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in
sustained growth.


Two questions:

1) Is this shrinkage due to...
a. Less new applicants
b. Increased attrition

2) Are easier tests the cause of the shrinkage...
a. Yes
b. No

dit dit
(Note Farnsworth spacing)

de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the
April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written
testing for all available license classes. IOW, making
the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in
sustained growth.

Two questions:

1) Is this shrinkage due to...
a. Less new applicants
b. Increased attrition

From what I can see at hamdata.com and AH0A.org, it seems to
me that the number of new hams has been slowly increasing
since at least 1997 (which is as far back as AH0A.org goes)
but attrition has been rising even faster.

How much of the attrition increase is due to "involuntary"
causes (SKs, hams in nursing homes, etc.) vs. "voluntary"
causes (loss of interest) is a matter of pure speculation.
I don't have good data on that one way or the other.

It does seem to me, however, that when a survey says 22% of
recently-licensed new hams interviewed have *never* set up
their own station and gotten on the air with it, something's
amiss in the "interest" department.

We sometimes see statistics about the "average age of US
hams today is XX" and predictions of doom for the future
as today's hams become SKs. What we don't see are statistics
on how the "average age" was computed (mean? median? mode?)
nor the age distribution (bell curve? exponential?). Nor
do we see stats on what the "average age" was 10, 20, 30
years ago.

Looking around at club meetings and hamfests isn't a good
sample because a lot of us don't go to those things very
often.

2) Are easier tests the cause of the shrinkage...
a. Yes
b. No

No good way to tell. One thing is certain: The test
reductions have not resulted in a flood of new hams
compared to before the test reductions.

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Another factor is that if the license requirements
are made "too easy", what you may have are some folks who
have a license but no station because it's "too
difficult" for them to set one up. Then they forget
about ham radio and go on to something else.

---

One thing I remember clearly from my newcomer days
as a 12-13 year old is that once I found out what
amateur radio was, and how to get started, the license
requirements were "not a problem". They were simply
a challenge. If there had not been a Novice license,
I simply would have gone for General right out of the
box.

A lot of the kids I knew then, and know now, are the
same way when they are interested in something.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

IAWTP.

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

That's true of most of the population - but most of that has been true
for decades now.

I was high school class of 1972. In a school of over 2400 boys, with a
curriculum that emphasized math and science, we had no more than a
half-dozen hams.

Back then ham radio had "competition" (in no particular order) from
sports, school activities, music, counterculture events, antiwar
protests, CB, TV, radio, music, cars and girls. Also family chores,
schoolwork and after-school jobs.

We didn't have cell phones or the internet but we had the telephone and
we could get around pretty well, with or without cars.

In those days the #1 technical hobby for teenage boys was working on
cars. For less than the price of most ham rigs, you could buy a $100
used car and fix it up well enough to get around. Some lucky rich kids
got 10-year-old hand-me-down cars from the parental units, which they
then worked on to keep on the road. Cars were simpler then, and a
mechanically-minded kid knew all about how they worked long before
driving age.

So "competition" for kids' time is nothing new.

The most-often-asked questions about ham radio, then and now, a

"Who do you talk to?"
"What do you talk about?" and
"Why go to all that trouble to talk to strangers?"

Most people back then "didn't get it". A few did. Same as today.

IMHO the prime time to attract kids to ham radio is middle school or
earlier.

73 de Jim, N2EY