wrote


But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the
April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written
testing for all available license classes. IOW, making
the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in
sustained growth.


Two questions:

1) Is this shrinkage due to...
a. Less new applicants
b. Increased attrition

2) Are easier tests the cause of the shrinkage...
a. Yes
b. No

dit dit
(Note Farnsworth spacing)

de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the
April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written
testing for all available license classes. IOW, making
the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in
sustained growth.

Two questions:

1) Is this shrinkage due to...
a. Less new applicants
b. Increased attrition

From what I can see at hamdata.com and AH0A.org, it seems to
me that the number of new hams has been slowly increasing
since at least 1997 (which is as far back as AH0A.org goes)
but attrition has been rising even faster.

How much of the attrition increase is due to "involuntary"
causes (SKs, hams in nursing homes, etc.) vs. "voluntary"
causes (loss of interest) is a matter of pure speculation.
I don't have good data on that one way or the other.

It does seem to me, however, that when a survey says 22% of
recently-licensed new hams interviewed have *never* set up
their own station and gotten on the air with it, something's
amiss in the "interest" department.

We sometimes see statistics about the "average age of US
hams today is XX" and predictions of doom for the future
as today's hams become SKs. What we don't see are statistics
on how the "average age" was computed (mean? median? mode?)
nor the age distribution (bell curve? exponential?). Nor
do we see stats on what the "average age" was 10, 20, 30
years ago.

Looking around at club meetings and hamfests isn't a good
sample because a lot of us don't go to those things very
often.

2) Are easier tests the cause of the shrinkage...
a. Yes
b. No

No good way to tell. One thing is certain: The test
reductions have not resulted in a flood of new hams
compared to before the test reductions.

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Another factor is that if the license requirements
are made "too easy", what you may have are some folks who
have a license but no station because it's "too
difficult" for them to set one up. Then they forget
about ham radio and go on to something else.

---

One thing I remember clearly from my newcomer days
as a 12-13 year old is that once I found out what
amateur radio was, and how to get started, the license
requirements were "not a problem". They were simply
a challenge. If there had not been a Novice license,
I simply would have gone for General right out of the
box.

A lot of the kids I knew then, and know now, are the
same way when they are interested in something.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

IAWTP.

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.

Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

That's true of most of the population - but most of that has been true
for decades now.

I was high school class of 1972. In a school of over 2400 boys, with a
curriculum that emphasized math and science, we had no more than a
half-dozen hams.

Back then ham radio had "competition" (in no particular order) from
sports, school activities, music, counterculture events, antiwar
protests, CB, TV, radio, music, cars and girls. Also family chores,
schoolwork and after-school jobs.

We didn't have cell phones or the internet but we had the telephone and
we could get around pretty well, with or without cars.

In those days the #1 technical hobby for teenage boys was working on
cars. For less than the price of most ham rigs, you could buy a $100
used car and fix it up well enough to get around. Some lucky rich kids
got 10-year-old hand-me-down cars from the parental units, which they
then worked on to keep on the road. Cars were simpler then, and a
mechanically-minded kid knew all about how they worked long before
driving age.

So "competition" for kids' time is nothing new.

The most-often-asked questions about ham radio, then and now, a

"Who do you talk to?"
"What do you talk about?" and
"Why go to all that trouble to talk to strangers?"

Most people back then "didn't get it". A few did. Same as today.

IMHO the prime time to attract kids to ham radio is middle school or
earlier.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:


One possible explanation is that the real problem
is publicity and image, not license requirements.

If people don't know what ham radio is, the license
requirements have no effect on them.


Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are
too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games.
Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have
technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They
had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio
station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country,
just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one.

Probably be a good idea to get rid of the idea that ham radio is just
about talking to people in different countries.

- Mike KB3EIA -

From: Mike Coslo on Thurs 26 May 2005 22:04


Should I be mad at the person who spends $500 today because s/he got a
new Dell for 1/4 what I paid 8 years ago?

Obviously some do!

I just like to tweak some of the folk who *know* that the hams of old
were so superior. As time goes on, I hear of old time 20 meter and 80
meter shenanigans, and there was no no-coders to blame it on, just
people who passed their difficult tests in front of a steely eyed F.C.C
agent, after having to travel 5000 miles in a blizzard or monsoon or
dust storm or whatever with cardboard tied to their feet and two hot
potatoes in their pockets for sustenance... ;^)

[don't forget uphill both ways... :-) ]

Things like that are for the most part just examples of how time has
changed.

Ah, but some PEOPLE don't change that much, Mike! :-)

Everything has to be to THEIR WAY when they "made their mark"
as valiant Radio Pioneers of HF the "hard way," they thought
they were the only ones who "worked for it!" [all others got
it "free" or something, never ever actually working for
anything]

In 1945 a young "unknown" writer got an article published in
Wireless World magazine about a revolutionary new idea of using
three satellites in geosynchronous orbits to relay communications
around the globe. Of course, nobody had yet put any satellites
UP there, much less develop rockets that could place them there.
"Experts" in radio of that time generally thought it too "blue
sky" to be practical, a few saying it was "preposterous." About
1998 (give or take) there was a lot of argument about who could
be alloted the LAST of the equatorial orbits for communications
satellites...the spaces had been FILLED. 24/7 communications
satellites have been a common thing for over two decades now,
none of them bothered by the vagaries of the ionosphere.

The young writer had worked for the RAF during WW2 developing
GCA (Ground Controlled Approach) or "blind landing system."
He was a junior "boffin" or technical engineer, had never built
such a communications system before, never even worked on
rockets. He sort of dropped out of the electronics field and
became a novelist, concentrating on science-fiction. He's still
living, in Sri Lanka, still writing, still active. His name is
Arthur C. Clarke, author of dozens of best-selling novels.

If Clarke had such an "interest" in radio and communications,
then he should have become a licensed radio amateur in the
UK FIRST according to the Political Correctness of some in
here. Can't have any of that speculative nonsense about the
future! Everything "best" can only be done on HF bands and
the "best" way to do that is by morse code! [that's why all
the other radio services on HF still use morse code? :-) ]

I guess it is VITAL and IMPORTANT that ALL amateurs KEEP all
the anachronisms of the past alive, as A Living Museum of
Radio, doing EXACTLY as the pioneers did it over a half
century ago. NO deviations, everything according to
Procedure, By the Book, Tradition held to the nth degree,
Marching In Ranks to the Morse Drumbeat, etc., just as
these other expert gurus of amateur radio did in Their youth.

All that for a HOBBY...?

bit, bit

wrote:

I guess it is VITAL and IMPORTANT that ALL amateurs KEEP all
the anachronisms of the past alive, as A Living Museum of
Radio, doing EXACTLY as the pioneers did it over a half
century ago. NO deviations, everything according to
Procedure, By the Book, Tradition held to the nth degree,
Marching In Ranks to the Morse Drumbeat, etc., just as
these other expert gurus of amateur radio did in Their youth.

You keep making this assertion, Lennie, and it's just stone cold
proof of MY assertion that you're an unrelenting liar without one bit
of fact, substantiation or corroboration.

Thanks for proving me right...again...

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
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wrote:

I guess it is VITAL and IMPORTANT that ALL amateurs KEEP all
the anachronisms of the past alive, as A Living Museum of
Radio, doing EXACTLY as the pioneers did it over a half
century ago. NO deviations, everything according to
Procedure, By the Book, Tradition held to the nth degree,
Marching In Ranks to the Morse Drumbeat, etc., just as
these other expert gurus of amateur radio did in Their youth.

You keep making this assertion, Lennie, and it's just stone cold
proof of MY assertion that you're an unrelenting liar without one bit
of fact, substantiation or corroboration.

Thanks for proving me right...again...

Steve, K4YZ


Steve,

Where does Lennie come up with all this tripe? I read most of what is going
on here with the knife fighting. But I certainly don't see where those that
enjoy CW and HF are "stuck in the mud" so to speak.

This is a sincere question. I guess I just don't understand his mindset.

Dan/W4NTI