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Why no Yaesu Prizes at Hamvention?
When I turned in my ticket at the Hamvention I
normally check out what the prizes are. This year I couldn't see even one item from Yaesu. Kenwood and Icom etc. had items on display, but not Yaesu. I wonder if the Hamvention did something to tick them off. Also I would say that both the flea market and the inside vendor numbers were down by at least 20%. There were MANY empty spaces in the flea market area when in past years it was mostly full. I also heard that Mendelson wanted more space and a break on the flea market rental since they are going out of business. The Hamvention, based I what I heard around, said no dice, so they didn't even bother to show up and they're only a few miles from the arena too. They spaced out many of the inside vendor booth areas so it wasn't too obvious that the number of vendors was way down. What did anybody else notice? I hope the above isn't a long term trend. -- Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message ... When I turned in my ticket at the Hamvention I normally check out what the prizes are. This year I couldn't see even one item from Yaesu. Kenwood and Icom etc. had items on display, but not Yaesu. I wonder if the Hamvention did something to tick them off. Also I would say that both the flea market and the inside vendor numbers were down by at least 20%. There were MANY empty spaces in the flea market area when in past years it was mostly full. I also heard that Mendelson wanted more space and a break on the flea market rental since they are going out of business. The Hamvention, based I what I heard around, said no dice, so they didn't even bother to show up and they're only a few miles from the arena too. They spaced out many of the inside vendor booth areas so it wasn't too obvious that the number of vendors was way down. What did anybody else notice? I hope the above isn't a long term trend. -- Leland C. Scott KC8LDO Don't know if it was down or not but enjoyed it immensely. I and the OM were helping out a new ham select and buy equipment and of course picked up a few goodies for ourselves too. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Leland C. Scott wrote:
When I turned in my ticket at the Hamvention I normally check out what the prizes are. This year I couldn't see even one item from Yaesu. Kenwood and Icom etc. had items on display, but not Yaesu. I wonder if the Hamvention did something to tick them off. Also I would say that both the flea market and the inside vendor numbers were down by at least 20%. There were MANY empty spaces in the flea market area when in past years it was mostly full. Yep, less flea vendors than the past couple years. Also less complete junk. There was certainly junk there, but I'd say that the quality level was up a bit. I also heard that Mendelson wanted more space and a break on the flea market rental since they are going out of business. The Hamvention, based I what I heard around, said no dice, so they didn't even bother to show up and they're only a few miles from the arena too. They spaced out many of the inside vendor booth areas so it wasn't too obvious that the number of vendors was way down. What did anybody else notice? I hope the above isn't a long term trend. I don't think the number was 20 percent, but it was down a bit. I had a good time, spent too much money, and will be back again next year. One thing is for certain, vendors that weren't there didn't get any of my money... - Mike KB3EIA - |
"John S." wrote ... and one vendor actually had bikini clad women prancing around. Sounds good to me! You have a problem with bikini clad YL'S? dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:53:45 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote:
I don't think the number was 20 percent, but it was down a bit. I had a good time, I did too, but its the trend I don't like. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
On Sun, 22 May 2005 20:53:18 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message ... When I turned in my ticket at the Hamvention I normally check out what the prizes are. This year I couldn't see even one item from Yaesu. Kenwood and Icom etc. had items on display, but not Yaesu. I wonder if the Hamvention did something to tick them off. Also I would say that both the flea market and the inside vendor numbers were down by at least 20%. There were MANY empty spaces in the flea market area when in past years it was mostly full. I also heard that Mendelson wanted more space and a break on the flea market rental since they are going out of business. The Hamvention, based I what I heard around, said no dice, so they didn't even bother to show up and they're only a few miles from the arena too. They spaced out many of the inside vendor booth areas so it wasn't too obvious that the number of vendors was way down. What did anybody else notice? I hope the above isn't a long term trend. -- Leland C. Scott KC8LDO Don't know if it was down or not but enjoyed it immensely. I and the OM were helping out a new ham select and buy equipment and of course picked up a few goodies for ourselves too. I'm glad you had a good time, so did I. I just found the reduction in the number of flea market and inside vendors very noticeable compared to years past. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:14:03 +0000, KØHB wrote:
"John S." wrote ... and one vendor actually had bikini clad women prancing around. Sounds good to me! You have a problem with bikini clad YL'S? I liked the blond working in the "Radio Works" booth. The two working around the corner from the Kenwood exhibit were nice, and the top heavy one working in the far back corner in the hall where the Hummer was at too. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
Hamsoldandnew wrote:
Forget it folks.. IMHO Dayton is finished, stick a fork into it. It will never go back to what it once was Years ago despite all the marketing and hype that they make it. Oh there will always be the camaraderie and the new equipment showings, but the flea market is just about finished. Stick to hamfests located with 30 miles of your QTH. Buh-Bye! DLTDHYOTAOYWO! - Mike KB3EIA |
KØHB wrote: "John S." wrote ... and one vendor actually had bikini clad women prancing around. Sounds good to me! You have a problem with bikini clad YL'S? Which vendor? I didn't see anything of the sort! 8^( - Mike KB3EIA - |
John S. wrote:
If it was so bad in years past, why did you go this year. My last trip to Dayton was about 1995 and my impression of the used equipment for sale outside was that it had been carted between too many other hamfests. I bought a fair amount of interesting Ham stuff for fair prices. And there was a surprising amount of non-radio electronic gear and parts. The inside was the usual glitzy trade show and one vendor actually had bikini clad women prancing around. Yeehaa! Too bad I didn't get to see it In my experience hamfests in general are showing lower attendance because of both internet-based competition and the ham radio hobby itself being on the far side of the growth and maturity curve. Now you've hit on something. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of people who are "fed up" with Dayton are just tired of the whole hamfest thing in general. I've been going for three years now. There were less vendors this year than last. But there was less crap than last year also. And a lot of the crap that went missing this year was the people selling ancient computers and old HT junk. If you wanted ham radio items, there was plenty to be had. And I'd rather have fewer vendors selling more ham radio equipment than more vendors selling IBM XT's and Old Handi-talkies that some Fire department got rid of in 1990. Interesting that with the high prices that Collins equipment has been getting lately, a lot of them came out of the woodwork. I would suggest that anyone collecting them keep their eyes open for good deals. - Mike KB3EIA - |
If you wanted ham radio items, there was
plenty to be had. And I'd rather have fewer vendors selling more ham radio equipment than more vendors selling IBM XT's and Old Handi-talkies that some Fire department got rid of in 1990. Don't forget the old beat up VCRs and such.... |
Leland C. Scott wrote: When I turned in my ticket at the Hamvention I normally check out what the prizes are. This year I couldn't see even one item from Yaesu. Kenwood and Icom etc. had items on display, but not Yaesu. I wonder if the Hamvention did something to tick them off. Yaesu was not in the same arena with Icom and Kenwood, either. Don't recall if it's always been that way. Also I would say that both the flea market and the inside vendor numbers were down by at least 20%. There were MANY empty spaces in the flea market area when in past years it was mostly full. I was there on Friday. I thought it would plus-up on Saturday. I also heard that Mendelson wanted more space and a break on the flea market rental since they are going out of business. The Hamvention, based I what I heard around, said no dice, so they didn't even bother to show up and they're only a few miles from the arena too. They spaced out many of the inside vendor booth areas so it wasn't too obvious that the number of vendors was way down. The ARRL was there in force. What did anybody else notice? I hope the above isn't a long term trend. Old men. Yes, it's a long-term trend. bb |
K=D8HB wrote: "John S." wrote ... and one vendor actually had bikini clad women prancing around. Sounds good to me! You have a problem with bikini clad YL'S? dit dit de Hans, K0HB Hopefully Robeson doesn't pop in here and tell us they were selling "something." |
On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:44:37 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote:
I've been going for three years now. There were less vendors this year than last. But there was less crap than last year also. And a lot of the crap that went missing this year was the people selling ancient computers and old HT junk. If you wanted ham radio items, there was plenty to be had. And I'd rather have fewer vendors selling more ham radio equipment than more vendors selling IBM XT's and Old Handi-talkies that some Fire department got rid of in 1990. That's too bad since this is one of the few flea markets where you can find this "old stuff". In fact I found exactly what I was looking for, some old 72 pin 32MB EDO memory sticks and some 128MB 168 pin DIMM memory sticks. It was FAR cheaper than any vendor on line I found, if they even had what I was looking for in the first place. Those old computers get put into service as packet nodes, dedicated remote rig control computers, DSP based sound card digital modes, etc. I would rather tie up the old PII 333MHz machine I'm using right now, got it for $80 including the monitor at a local Ham fest, than my new AMD FX-55 system. Now all I have to do is find some Linux based sound card software. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
On Mon, 23 May 2005 18:55:16 -0700, bb wrote:
Yaesu was not in the same arena with Icom and Kenwood, either. Don't recall if it's always been that way. They were located in the same areas as they have been for the last 5 years or so that I've been going to the Hamvention. This was the only year I saw where Yaesu didn't have one single item donated for a prize. I was there on Friday. I thought it would plus-up on Saturday. That was nothing compared to a few years back where EVERY space in the flea market area was filled! It used to take me at least one full day to walk the outside area, this last time I did it in half a day because there were so many empty spaces. The ARRL was there in force. They didn't look too particularly busy either. Several of the booths they had set up for specific areas the people behind the tables looked like they had a had time trying to stay awake since nobody was there asking questions etc. What did anybody else notice? I hope the above isn't a long term trend. Old men. Yes, it's a long-term trend. That's really too bad since there is a lot the ARRL can do to change that. One of the big problems is the ARRL, and the old time Hams, who want to treat HF as the "Crown Jewel" of Ham Radio and the heavy emphasis on it when trying to recruit new Hams and current Hams to upgrade. The fact is young kids can DX all they want on the computer, no license required. So if they want to get young Hams in to the hobby they need to wake up and show them what Ham Radio has to offer that they CAN'T get using the Internet and a cell phone. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
"bb" wrote Hopefully Robeson doesn't pop in here and tell us they were selling "something." The correct terminology according to K4YZ is "Musta beem selling SOMEthing!". I don't know how you "beem" sell SOMEthing, but I'm sure "Steve" (alias for K4YZ) will provide a weasel-worded explanation. dit dit (Note Farnsworth spacing) de Hans, K0HB |
K=D8HB wrote: "bb" wrote Hopefully Robeson doesn't pop in here and tell us they were selling "something." The correct terminology according to K4YZ is "Musta beem selling SOMEthing!". I don't know how you "beem" sell SOMEthing, but I'm sure "Steve" (alias for K4YZ) will provide a weasel-worded explanation. What "weasel worded" explanation, Hans? You STILL have yet to explain this alleged insult adequately to anyone. I said that pretty faces in comely attire sell things. That's nothing that any first year advertising student doesn't already know. So...Just running off at the mouth on yet another self-righteous rant, hans? Seems like it too me. Steve, K4YZ |
"John S." wrote: bb wrote: John S. wrote: If it was so bad in years past, why did you go this year. My last trip to Dayton was about 1995 and my impression of the used equipment for sale outside was that it had been carted between too many other hamfests. And there was a surprising amount of non-radio electronic gear and parts. The inside was the usual glitzy trade show and one vendor actually had bikini clad women prancing around. ICOM had Very YL's in bathrobes and slippers. JS Very YL as in pre-teens? In my experience hamfests in general are showing lower attendance because of both internet-based competition and the ham radio hobby itself being on the far side of the growth and maturity curve. Maybe if the Hamvention ran an advertisement in AARP... JS I suspect that hams are already well represented in the AARP. One only needs to be 50 to join AARP. Don't need no kids, lids or space cadets. dxAce Michigan USA |
Which is ... ????
Jim if they want to get young Hams in to the hobby they need to wake up and show them what Ham Radio has to offer that they CAN'T get using the Internet and a cell phone. |
Leland C. Scott wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2005 19:01:36 -0700, bb wrote: ICOM had Very YL's in bathrobes and slippers. I saw that and I don't know what the point was they were trying to make. Didn't see that. But as a Japanese owned company, they have a different culture, and some of the things they do might seem a little different to us. Yup... that seems different! - Mike KB3EIA - |
KØHB wrote:
"bb" wrote Hopefully Robeson doesn't pop in here and tell us they were selling "something." The correct terminology according to K4YZ is "Musta beem selling SOMEthing!". I don't know how you "beem" sell SOMEthing, but I'm sure "Steve" (alias for K4YZ) will provide a weasel-worded explanation. dit dit (Note Farnsworth spacing) HAH! Two digs with one post, Good one Hans. Just goes to show that no subject ever dies on rrap, they just keep getting recycled.... ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:14:05 -0700, RST Engineering wrote:
Which is ... ???? Jim if they want to get young Hams in to the hobby they need to wake up and show them what Ham Radio has to offer that they CAN'T get using the Internet and a cell phone. For one thing rebuilding a wireless network in this country. In some areas, like Detroit, packet is nearly dead. I use computers a lot, I have 4 on my private home network now running several different operating systems, and I would love to be able to setup several servers without having to worry about my ISP threatening to cancel my service for doing do. Using modified WiFi gear, or the Icom D-Star system, would give many Hams speeds much faster that you can get using just dial up, and many Hams still use dial up because they can't get DSL or Broadband at their home. Then there is nothing like having communications that doesn't die when you you need it most, and doesn't come with a monthly bill. I was on the air back when we had the great north east black out several years ago. When a lot of people couldn't get through using their cell phone because the system crapped out or was simply over loaded. I also know of several Hams who will not get cell phones for their older kids because of the cost of the bills. It was cheaper in the long run to get some low end VHF HT's, get his kids licensed, and had them use the radios when they need to talk to them. As much as teenagers like to gab among themselves I think getting them HT's instead of cell phones would work out much better, it's like one big party line, and they don't have to worry about air time minutes. And that's just a couple. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 13:26:31 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote:
Leland C. Scott wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2005 19:01:36 -0700, bb wrote: ICOM had Very YL's in bathrobes and slippers. I saw that and I don't know what the point was they were trying to make. Didn't see that. But as a Japanese owned company, they have a different culture, and some of the things they do might seem a little different to us. Yup... that seems different! - Mike KB3EIA - Well all of the people there, at the Hamvention, were American. I wonder if the girls were some of their kids and that was a way to take them along and have Icom foot the bill? Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
K=D8HB wrote: "bb" wrote Hopefully Robeson doesn't pop in here and tell us they were selling "something." The correct terminology according to K4YZ is "Musta beem selling SOMEthin= g!". I don't know how you "beem" sell SOMEthing, but I'm sure "Steve" (alias for= K4YZ) will provide a weasel-worded explanation. dit dit (Note Farnsworth spacing) de Hans, K0HB Farnsworth, Yikes! I'm fairly certain that's why I didn't become a General class in 1987. Speaking of weasel-worded explanations from Steve, I'm still waiting for an explanation why he has posted my house number here? |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... Farnsworth, Yikes! I'm fairly certain that's why I didn't become a General class in 1987. Speaking of weasel-worded explanations from Steve, I'm still waiting for an explanation why he has posted my house number here? That was so we may all send you Get Well cards. |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... Leland C. Scott wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005 13:26:31 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote: Leland C. Scott wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2005 19:01:36 -0700, bb wrote: ICOM had Very YL's in bathrobes and slippers. I saw that and I don't know what the point was they were trying to make. Didn't see that. But as a Japanese owned company, they have a different culture, and some of the things they do might seem a little different to us. Yup... that seems different! - Mike KB3EIA - Well all of the people there, at the Hamvention, were American. Maybe not. I heard one old couple speaking German. And I saw several people wearing hats/badges/etc from various European countries. I wonder if the girls were some of their kids and that was a way to take them along and have Icom foot the bill? Nobody gets it. They should hire a USA advertising firm and run that sort of thing past them first. I'd agree with that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Are you kidding? They've gotten more ink in this newsgroup than any of the
other vendors. I'd say the ploy worked. Jim Nobody gets it. They should hire a USA advertising firm and run that sort of thing past them first. I'd agree with that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
On Thu, 26 May 2005 02:52:15 -0700, bb wrote:
Leland C. Scott wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005 13:26:31 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote: Leland C. Scott wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2005 19:01:36 -0700, bb wrote: ICOM had Very YL's in bathrobes and slippers. I saw that and I don't know what the point was they were trying to make. Didn't see that. But as a Japanese owned company, they have a different culture, and some of the things they do might seem a little different to us. Yup... that seems different! - Mike KB3EIA - Well all of the people there, at the Hamvention, were American. Maybe not. I heard one old couple speaking German. I was talking about the people running the Icom booth. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:49:25 -0700, RST Engineering wrote:
Are you kidding? They've gotten more ink in this newsgroup than any of the other vendors. I'd say the ploy worked. Yeah, negative advertising, they look like cheapskates compared to Kenwood and Icom, Yaesu couldn't even donate a cheap HT. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
Leland C. Scott wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:49:25 -0700, RST Engineering wrote: Are you kidding? They've gotten more ink in this newsgroup than any of the other vendors. I'd say the ploy worked. Yeah, negative advertising, they look like cheapskates compared to Kenwood and Icom, Yaesu couldn't even donate a cheap HT. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO ICOM had the Very YL's in bathrobes. |
On Thu, 26 May 2005 18:18:30 -0700, bb wrote:
ICOM had the Very YL's in bathrobes. So far nobody seems to have any idea what the the point was they were trying to communicate. I sure don't, but at least Icom donated some equipment for prizes. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
What is missing is how much current licenses are used. With that data we could guesstimate expirations. That would take a study that the FCC doesn't have the resources to fund and one the ARRL may not want to know the answer to. There may be a point in the future where the new loss of members begins to increase but there is no way to forecast that because licenses are good for 10 years and there is no way to project future expirations because we don't have any idea what current license usage is. Measuring how crowded the bands are? But that would require measurements from years ago to mean much. Assuming that most hams using their license spend about 2 to 3% time transmitting and the rest listening (tuning around the bands looking for interesting DX or rag chews) one could get a rough idea how many active hams exist. Do one measurement on a contest weekend, and another on a non contest weekend. From a QTH in the midwest. One would have to figure how many hams are in propagation range at the time of measurement. |
robert casey wrote: What is missing is how much current licenses are used. With that data we could guesstimate expirations. That would take a study that the FCC doesn't have the resources to fund and one the ARRL may not want to know the answer to. There may be a point in the future where the new loss of members begins to increase but there is no way to forecast that because licenses are good for 10 years and there is no way to project future expirations because we don't have any idea what current license usage is. Measuring how crowded the bands are? But that would require measurements from years ago to mean much. Assuming that most hams using their license spend about 2 to 3% time transmitting and the rest listening (tuning around the bands looking for interesting DX or rag chews) one could get a rough idea how many active hams exist. Do one measurement on a contest weekend, and another on a non contest weekend. From a QTH in the midwest. One would have to figure how many hams are in propagation range at the time of measurement. Reminds me of an old giggler. Guy tunes around looking for a hole on 20M, finds one and asks "Is this frequency in use?" A snarly 30 over nine signal pops up "Yes it's in use, I'm listening on it." w3rv |
For those that don't these are the ones that have the answers as to why, for example the cell phone - instant messaging fits their needs and interest better. I don't know if the ARRL even bothers to try and collect this kind of data. This competition, coupled with the testing requirements, sure puts ham radio at a disadvantage. How many kids, saddled with tons of tests and other such from school, really want to be bothered with more of this? |
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Mike Coslo wrote: John Smith wrote: Every student going though the electronics and engineering courses at the college here knows very well what a ham ticket is (the instructor is a ham), and darn well pass any of the exams blindfolded... seldom do they see the need or have the desire when they have tuned the bands and listened... You think most other colleges are different? Dunno. Where I am employed, one of the EE courses specifically ends in a Ham ticket being received. My point is that Internet and cell phones are to Ham radio as fish are to banjos. 8^) This is starting to sound like an over the air Ham conversation. Exchanges like this are why I have no desire to be one. Maybe you could drop rec.radio.shortwave off the newsgroup header like I did. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Do you know of a source for reliable data on ham licenses that drills down below the often quoted total licenses outstanding. Are there any studies that estimate the number of active licenses and ages of the holders and how those numbers have trended over time. It looks like the bottom line is that back in June 1997 there were 678,473 licensed hams and in May of 1995 there were 664,972 licensed hams. Thats a decrease of 2 percent over 8 years. Its a decline but not by much. Does anyone have statistics that go back three or four decades?? Part of the problem here is that the "base" demographic numbers of total US population is changing. The increase or decrease in the absolute numbers of hams is not germane. A more accurate statistic for the last 40-50 years is the change in the percentage of hams in the total US population. Example: say you have 200,000 hams in 1930 in a population of 200 million (1%) vs 250,000 in 2000 in a population of 350 million. Even though you have an increase in the ABSOLUTE number of hams the PERCENTAGE of hams is going down. In this example: As a group, the relative impact and visibility of hams vs the total US population is going down. Does any one know the URL of an accurate set of historical ham population data? Hopefuly from the very begiining of FCC licensing? Dan Yemiola AI8O |
Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: .. . . . certainly the value is in the weak signal / crowded band performance to me and looks like it is to a LOT of other people too. obviously , for your operating needs, solid state rigs do the job Perhaps not so obviously. I've been getting into Hollow state technology recently. Bought a couple olde tube Heathkits 100% dumpster ballast. Negative. Their absolute performance is not an issue. I was never exposed to tube technology, ever. These units are simple, and I will use them to learn about the hollow state. As long as they work, I will be well served by them. OK, OK you're excused. This time. Ouch: How do you spell clueless? I loves you dearly Michael, you're a very nice guy and yer heart is in the right place but you have this frustrating penchant for getting over yer head at warp speed when discussions turn to even moderately deep-end techie sorts of topics. You done it again. I've made a career of it Yeah, I've NOTICED! GROAN! bang head on desk repeatedly He's talking about using his modded R4-C as an outboard RX because of it's legendary front end performance, it's blocking dynamic range and it's third order intercept points as they relate to successfully dealing with very difficult band conditions. Which leaves out your Heath treasures and all members of the FT-1000 clan in this particular pursuit. "If the tube stuff is better, then I'd go for it in a minute" eh? Welp there ya go. It was an interesting report to look at. I would have to say that there is more to the game than the 2KHz dynamic range, I agree with that for the most part but I'd like to see your list. as important as that is, especially to CW users. Great rcvrs is great rcvrs modes aside. Where did you get the notion that the guy is excusively a CW op? For all we know he could be a phone-only op. But I do appreciate the info! Look at it as a mythology, hype and general BS buster. You can lay down $2,300 for a new MP Mark 5 or pay maybe $500 for a clean used IC-746 and wind up with essentially the same signal handling capabilities and still have most of the commonly-used bells & whistles. - Mike KB3EIA - w3rv |
In 1963, the CBers outnumbered the Ham Population.
The number of US hams exceeded 250,000 in 1963. 1917 - about 6,000 1928 - about 17,000 1936 - about 46,000 1950 - near 90,000 1956 - over 140,000 1958 - about 160,000 1963 - over 250,000 1977 - 327,000 1989 - over 500,000 1997 June - 678,473 2001 Jan 1 - 682,240 2002 Oct 31 -- 684,355 Total number of USA Licensed Amateurs by License Class As of May 14, 2000: Novice - 49,329 Tech/+ - 334,254 General - 112,677 Advanced - 99,782 Extra - 78,750 Total all classes - 674,792 As of April 3, 2005 Novice - 28,869 (-41.48%) (-20,460) Tech/+ - 318,221 (-4.80%) (-16,033) General - 137,093 (+21.67%) (+24,416) Advanced - 76,706 (-23.13%) (-23,076) Extra - 106,238 (+34.91%) (+27,488) Total All Classes - 667,318 Total all classes (5/14/00) - 674,792 Total all Classes (4/21/03) - 687,860 Total all classes (9/6/04 ) - 674,788 Total all classes (4/3/05) - 667,318 Total loss of 7,474 since 5/14/2000 ( Was 674,792) Total loss of 7,470 since 9/6/2004 ( Was 674,788) Total Loss of 20,542 since 4/2003 (all time high of 687,860) Notes, For the 9th straight reporting period, all classes except for Extra declined. There was a net loss of 845 licensees in this reporting period from the last reporting period. The base totals are from implementation of the then new licensing changes in May 2000. September 6, 2004 is the date I started measuring the changes. The peak number was in April 2003. Ace - WH2T -------------------------------- "dan Yemiola" wrote in message ... Does any one know the URL of an accurate set of historical ham population data? Hopefuly from the very begiining of FCC licensing? Dan Yemiola AI8O |
"Dr.Ace - WH2T" wrote in message ... In 1963, the CBers outnumbered the Ham Population. The number of US hams exceeded 250,000 in 1963. 1917 - about 6,000 1928 - about 17,000 1936 - about 46,000 1950 - near 90,000 1956 - over 140,000 1958 - about 160,000 1963 - over 250,000 1977 - 327,000 1989 - over 500,000 1997 June - 678,473 2001 Jan 1 - 682,240 2002 Oct 31 -- 684,355 Could you add the corresponding general population figures. Then we could see if the number of hams is growing faster or slower than the general popluation. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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