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wrote You're out of the closet and into the ranks of the PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers. Keep your little clubhouse CLOSED from the "evil" influences of those "unpatriotic" no-coders! Obviously you've neglected to pay attention to my position regarding Morse testing. Or you've paid attention, but you can't reconcile the cognitive dissonance of an NCTA who dares to call you to task for your fouling of the Tomb of the Unknowns. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
Leo wrote:
On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: wrote: wrote: Arf! Arf! wrote: snip If you want to remain anonymous, that's fine with me. 73 de Jim, N2EY With all due respect, Sir, I do not feel obligated in the least to seek or accept your permission to do so. It's not about permission, Leo. It's about the idea that I'm not going to make a big deal about your "real"identity. Nor am I going to judge the content of your posts by whether or not you reveal that identity, or whether or not you agree with me. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Leo wrote:
On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: wrote: wrote: Arf! Arf! wrote: snip What part of that is not accurate, Leo? Maybe you are who you say you are, and maybe you aren't. Maybe "Arf!" is who he says he is - or maybe he ain't. Perhaps! Hmmm - let's see here....I wasn't agreeing with you, so perhaps I am not legitimate. Not at all. Your lack of verifiable ID means there's room for doubt. Same for "Arf" or any other anonymous poster. You seem to place a great deal of value on 'verifiability', Jim. I put some value on it. If a person really believes in what they say, why shouldn't they give their "real" identity? Heh. Just because someone's callbook ID is verifiable doesn't mean that much else is. Take you, for example - other than what's in the QRZ database, how much do we know about you? Just what you have stated in your posts - that's all. Actually some people here know a lot more. There's private email, my website (which you found), and articles I've written in amateur radio magazines. I've also met at least one other rrapper in person, and had QSOs with several others on the ham bands. In fact, I had QSOs with at least two other regulars here long before I ever heard of rrap. Is what you say true ? Yes. Maybe - maybe not. Unless someone is willing to put in the effort, time and expense to research an individual's claims, they can be neither proven nor disproven. Some claims are easily disproven, though. For example, here in the USA, amateur radio licenses have a normal term of 10 years. If a license is not renewed before the end of its term, the amateur loses all operating privileges. However, there is a two-year grace period during which a ham can apply for renewal without retesting. This is all explained clearly in Part 97 (FCC rules for the ARS. Len Anderson claimed that the FCC does not use the word "expired" to describe licenses that are in the grace period. Part 97 clearly shows that FCC does indeed use the words "expire" and "expired" for that purpose. So Len's claim is easily disproven. I suggest that, in a public forum such as this, an individual's behaviour is a far better indicator of who they are than something as silly as a callbook listing. Why is a callbook listing "silly"? I agree with you that someone's behaviour is a better indicator, though. Forget claims of education, heroic feats and braggodocio - just read what the individual writes, and you'll see the real person shine through. (for example, what were you doing when you questioned my 'legitimacy' in this thread, Jim - picking yet another fight with Len? No. Look back at the actual discussion, and you'll see it was about the possibility that you and Len were one and the same person. W3RV said it was not possible and I said it was. How is that trying to pick a fight? Hmmm - that happens a lot, doesn't it??) Actually, Len seems to want to pick fights with anyone who disagrees with him on Morse Code testing - or a variety of other subjects. Whether "Arf!" or anyone else here is 'legitimate' or not is quite immaterial! I agree! Tell it to Len, though. Why people are here, and how they behave while in here, is of much greater importance. And, of course, whether you believe that another poster is 'legitimate' or not is of no importance at all. Yet here you make a case for Arf! Arf!'s existance because he does agree with you. There's as much reason to doubt his claims as there is to doubt yours, Leo. And as little! Please note that Len insists on calling "Arf!" names and comparing him to Nigerian bank scammers, but does not do the same for those who agree with him. Not necessarily. I have not always agreed with Len's points either - nor he with mine - neither do I belittle his (considerable) accomplishments and experience or deliberately pick fights with him to bolster my own ego. (ahem). You mean like the way he makes fun of my name, education, age, license class, homebrew equipment, radio operating skills.... Maybe that's why civil discourse is possible between us? Duh..... Or maybe it's because you haven't disagreed with him on any of his trigger issues. Or maybe you and he are one and the same. Or maybe you're a friend of his, doing a version good cop/bad cop. Some of your phrases sound a lot like Len. That doesn't prove a thing, of course. Some on the group seem to have a pathological need to pick fights with others, though - are you suggesting that the target of these attacks should not return fire? (That wouldn't be much fun, would it?) Let's see... Len calls me names even though I don't call him anyhting except "Len" or "Mr. Anderson" or "Len Anderson". Len tells me and others here to shut up and/or go away - but I don't tell anyone to do either. Who is picking a fight with whom? In addition, Len has posted here under a variety of screen names (like "averyfine" and "averyfineman") often without any real ID. I had no problem figuring out who the author of those posts were - did you? At first. But that's not the point. Get the humor? Avery Fineman...A Very Fine Man...heh heh. Doesn't seem funny to me. Here's a simple, direct question: Do you think Len's little piece on the "Tomb of the Unknown Solder" is funny? Or is it an insult to the Unknowns? Or is it something else? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
From: Leo on Jun 2, 6:40 pm
On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: etc. What part of that is not accurate, Leo? Maybe you are who you say you are, and maybe you aren't. Maybe "Arf!" is who he says he is - or maybe he ain't. Perhaps! Hmmm - let's see here....I wasn't agreeing with you, so perhaps I am not legitimate. Not at all. Your lack of verifiable ID means there's room for doubt. Same for "Arf" or any other anonymous poster. You seem to place a great deal of value on 'verifiability', Jim. Heh. Just because someone's callbook ID is verifiable doesn't mean that much else is. Take you, for example - other than what's in the QRZ database, how much do we know about you? Just what you have stated in your posts - that's all. Is what you say true ? Maybe - maybe not. Unless someone is willing to put in the effort, time and expense to research an individual's claims, they can be neither proven nor disproven. I disagree in part, as far as this newsgroup is concerned: Certain individuals in here (curiously coincidental on their attitudes favoring morse code testing!) are allowed free rein on whatever they CLAIM. Others, challenging that attitude are rained on...lately insofar as national patriotism is concerned. That is the manifest of the PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers. I suggest that, in a public forum such as this, an individual's behaviour is a far better indicator of who they are than something as silly as a callbook listing. Forget claims of education, heroic feats and braggodocio - just read what the individual writes, and you'll see the real person shine through. (for example, what were you doing when you questioned my 'legitimacy' in this thread, Jim - picking yet another fight with Len? Hmmm - that happens a lot, doesn't it??) I can almost read the responses to that before he writes them... :-) Whether "Arf!" or anyone else here is 'legitimate' or not is quite immaterial! Why people are here, and how they behave while in here, is of much greater importance. Ahem...this is NOT allowed in the PCTA Extra Double Standard handbook. :-) And, of course, whether you believe that another poster is 'legitimate' or not is of no importance at all. Oy gevalt! That will raise the Hue and Cry! :-) Please note that Len insists on calling "Arf!" names and comparing him to Nigerian bank scammers, but does not do the same for those who agree with him. "Nigerian?" Did I say specifically "Nigerian?" :-) Not necessarily. I have not always agreed with Len's points either - nor he with mine - neither do I belittle his (considerable) accomplishments and experience or deliberately pick fights with him to bolster my own ego. (ahem). Maybe that's why civil discourse is possible between us? Duh..... Another U.S. Extra used to pull out some phrase about "gentlemen" and discourse in here. That Extra seems to have dropped such phraseology when others have posted items about national patriotism in here...after he has repeat-posted old works written by others. sigh Some on the group seem to have a pathological need to pick fights with others, though - are you suggesting that the target of these attacks should not return fire? (That wouldn't be much fun, would it?) Bill Cosby used to have a comedy routine many years ago about the Revolutionary War. It started out with a "Referee" explaining to the "player captains" what the "game rules" were. [naturally one-sided, the Redcoats had to march in straight lines in the open while the Revolutionaries could hide behind trees and rocks, firing at will] If one was an American, that was very funny. That was definitely NOT funny to a nationalistic Britisher at a social gathering in the Hollywood Hills. I could see the Brit's point of view, but others seemed not to. The hostess sensed nastiness brewing and intervened by changing the subject to a party activity, etc. Crisis averted. Bill Cosby went on to become a beloved comedian in American TV. Yet the subject matter [our Revolutionary War] was not a trivial thing when it was fought; England never really forgave the upstart Colonies for that and the War of 1812 had to repeat the whole process nearly 4 decades later. England didn't win that war either. A very remote parallel sort-of exists in here, the PCTA bravely "fighting" to keep their royal RULE alive, yet are slowly losing. The much-touted near-Byzantine CLASS structure of U.S. amateur radio has not been decimated, it has been cut in HALF. [Roman Legions were never that severe with their "disciplinary" measures of decimation] Further, to add insult to their "injury," the beloved Title/Rank/Status of "20 WPM Tested" was reduced to a "mere" 5 WPM. [their cold, dead reasoning refuses to let their mental fingers release their code keys...tsk] Their "Empire" is falling and they curse the evil "sloth" in revenge; George Lucas couldn't make a film on this epic due to too many "Annakin" manmiquins abounding. [see "Revenge of the Sloth" who want only the "easy way to get a license...etc, etc, ad nauseum] In addition, Len has posted here under a variety of screen names (like "averyfine" and "averyfineman") often without any real ID. I had no problem figuring out who the author of those posts were - did you? Get the humor? Avery Fineman...A Very Fine Man...heh heh. Anal-retentive morsemen have a "sense of humor" limited to laughing at those they try to humiliate. Tsk. My REAL Identity has never changed. It is still the same as my byline in Ham Radio Magazine, as is my postal address. A "screen name" or "handle" on a computer-modem provider site is dependent on the standards that provider establishes. There is NO "real ID" possible through nearly all computer-modem service providers. The exception is the "forwarding alias" provided by some sites such as the IEEE and ARRL both have for their members. As an IEEE member since 1973, my real identity is definitely known to them and has been for 35 years. I could not fake any "forwarding alias" through them due to their own controls to insure honesty; I could only choose what to use as an "alias" name. I had that capability since over three years ago but never got around to using it. "Avery Fineman," "LenOver21" were all handles I used in BBS computer-modem communications 20 years ago. "No CW Test" was a new one chosen just for this newsgroup 5 years ago. That was dropped due to the late (?) W0EX perverting that to "No CW Testicles" in his replies. Strangely, there was NO objection to that rather obvious male anatomy term but there was much ado about breasts and the alleged "pornographic" callsign of Kim, W5TIT. When I first joined AOL, their rules permitted screen names of a maximum of 8 characters. Since AOL membership is a few millions and that they do not allow identical names, having a set of common real names makes it difficult to choose a desired screen name without possessing a personal, federally- authorized, official merit badge callsign of the U.S. amateur radio corps. Since my life is NOT ruled by any hobby, the choice was either to use an old handle or improvise with a bit of humor. [humor is hard to come by in this oh-so-very serious gathering of beagles] AOL rules were relaxed later to all members' relief...and also increased to a maximum of SEVEN screen names per subscription! [all the same subscriber and billed to the subscriber] His Most Honorable Royal Highness of Morseman Hall has that same option. Leo, if you happen to chance upon an AOL screen name of "Juan Mortime" in the future, that will be me. [pronounce it to get the pun - mightier than the sword] No doubt that is, somewhere, already OUTRAGING and INSULTING (!) Spanish speakers for "unpatriotically defacing Latin customs" everywhere. Sigh. I have more names plus another Internet provider. Everywhere one goes we find the anal-retentive with figurative USB connectors jammed up their I/O ports. If someone wants to actually discuss something with me, fine. I've done that for 20 years without insulting anyone... except those USB-in-the-I/O-port folks. Others who think they can shoot verbal nasties at me with impugnity will get much more "return fire" than they expected. Screum. Best of springtime to you up in the north lands, Leo. |
On 2 Jun 2005 17:21:36 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: wrote: wrote: Arf! Arf! wrote: snip Here's a simple, direct question: Do you think Len's little piece on the "Tomb of the Unknown Solder" is funny? Or is it an insult to the Unknowns? Or is it something else? Personally, I saw it for the humorous parody that it was intended to be - not 'laugh out loud' funny, but humourous (and rather witty!) nevertheless. I understand that some may find that particular subject to be one that should not be parodied - but, considering the obvious pride that the author has in both his own military service and the service of others, I would strongly doubt that any disrespect whatsoever was intended to those whose ultimate sacrifice is honoured by the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. My $.02 . 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo |
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:49:24 -0500, "Shamil Basayev" 666@LensPlace
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... From: Leo on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:27:59 -0400 On 31 May 2005 17:04:05 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Tues 31 May 2005 15:02 On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: wrote: wrote: Arf! Arf! wrote: Just About Everybody Wrote snip .................................... Oh oh! He's doing it again! Jim! Len's a Russian! |
Lennie's "book" snipped...
If someone wants to actually discuss something with me, fine. I've done that for 20 years without insulting anyone... except those USB-in-the-I/O-port folks. Others who think they can shoot verbal nasties at me with impugnity will get much more "return fire" than they expected. Screum. Best of springtime to you up in the north lands, Leo. Lennie's Rule Of Thumb when pontificating... "Never EVER say in one sentence that which can be belaborbed ad nauseum." |
From: Leo on Fri,Jun 3 2005 6:55 pm
wrote in message groups.com... From: Leo on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:27:59 -0400 .............................?....... Oh oh! He's doing it again! Jim! Len's a Russian! Da, Comrade Leo! I am KGB, parashoot in from Bear bumber vid agents Brubitsch, Borbitsch, and Garbitsch! Dosvedanya. |
From: Leo on Fri 3 Jun 2005 18:45
On 2 Jun 2005 17:21:36 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: etc. Here's a simple, direct question: Do you think Len's little piece on the "Tomb of the Unknown Solder" is funny? Or is it an insult to the Unknowns? Or is it something else? Personally, I saw it for the humorous parody that it was intended to be - not 'laugh out loud' funny, but humourous (and rather witty!) nevertheless. Actually, it is a sharp and pointed piece of satiric sarcasm that is unmistakably aimed at our Last Action Hero (seven times) in here. :-) I understand that some may find that particular subject to be one that should not be parodied - but, considering the obvious pride that the author has in both his own military service and the service of others, I would strongly doubt that any disrespect whatsoever was intended to those whose ultimate sacrifice is honoured by the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. There's a very simple ceremony done in the U.S. military, or at least was, and I'm not sure of other branches besides Army. It is called "Retreat" and done at the beginning of sundown, coincident with lowering the Flag. Most times it is done simply by a group accompanying the Flag handlers. Sometimes it has a simple dedication to an individual or individuals. One "stands a Retreat" out of respect, to honor all that went before. Anyone who "stands a Retreat" will understand. Others, especially those never having served, will dismiss it as simply lowering the flag, just another excuse by the military for some kind of ceremony. They cannot feel the ceremony within. They are not a Part of it. There's another curious-to-non-military-persons custom or rather attitude which pertains to Unit Recognition. Navy personnel express that by a pride in "their" ship. Other branches will identify with their Unit or work identity. It is sometimes referred to (technically) as Unit Cohesiveness or (familiarly) as Teamwork or perhaps just inwardly as Pride in what one does. In my case I had that sense of Unit with the Signal Battalion I was assigned to. I had no choice in which unit, yet grew to feel a part of it, of identifying it as "my" battalion. I took pride in doing my assigned work. I learned of the unit's origin, how it changed over time, saw how it kept changing while I was there...and kept track of it even long after my Honorable Discharge was given me in 1960. What I find truly abhorrent, distasteful, disrespectful, and quite sickening is the charges of "dishonor" leveled by a hateful little emotional loose cannon in here done for no other reason than he hates some people and cannot hold back his rage and anger. What adds to the abhorrence, distaste, and disrespect is the self-perceived NON-serving veteran who wants to "chide" others for their "mistakes" about the U.S. military when they are (supposedly) U.S. citizens. Their whole reason for their "charges" are based on nothing but trying to "win" some argument over a subject...using those rather obvious false charges which have NO relationship to the subject. Simple summation: Jimmie be too uptight and anal; he needs to get laid. My $.02 . ...and now mine...plus shipping charges...Jimmie gets bill. This has departed from "amateur radio" subjects but, given, the overall anal-retentive attitude in here of trying to tie together military forces with a HOBBY involving radio (which is NO tie at all), I felt it had to be said. We can now resume the usual PCTA Extra Double Standard banner waving long in progress. The Morsebirds are twittering in full song... |
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You ARE dishonorable, Lennie. Over the course of 3 years or so you've repeated these stories about Soldiers you didn' know who died in combat before yo were even inducted in such a way as to associate YOUR lame rear-area, non-combatant radio mechanic duty with them for your own glorification.. That was disgusting enough. Now you've tried to score your self-proclaimed "newsgroup messaging points" with this purile "parody" of the Tomb of the Unknowns. I just can't manifest language intense enough to describe how vile I find THAT without using profanity in a public forum Lastly, you do so while insulting the participants in an avocation for which you have utter disgust, have blatantly lied about, and have no intention what-so-ever of being the least bit helpful for. "Scumbag" pretty well sums it up. In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent, distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent, distasteful and disrespectful'. Putz. Steve, K4YZ Wow! You pretty much put the icing on Lennie's cake, Steve. Of course it goes without saying that Lennie will HAVE to post a three chapter response. You know Len. Never say in one sentence that which he can better say in 18 paragraphs. Bets are on that Len will post a novel in response, though none of us will read it. |
K4YZ wrote:
In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent, distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent, distasteful and disrespectful'. Putz. Steve, K4YZ Don't know why anyone pays *any* attention to lennieboy, he isn't a ham, too dumb/lazy to become one so he has no skin in the game. What he has to say is of no revelence at all. Just ignore him completely and maybe he will eventually go away. |
From: "K4YZ" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 00:38
wrote: From: Leo on Fri 3 Jun 2005 18:45 You ARE dishonorable, Lennie. Over the course of 3 years or so you've repeated these stories about Soldiers you didn' know who died in combat before yo were even inducted in such a way as to associate YOUR lame rear-area, non-combatant radio mechanic duty with them for your own glorification.. That was disgusting enough. Now you've tried to score your self-proclaimed "newsgroup messaging points" with this purile "parody" of the Tomb of the Unknowns. I just can't manifest language intense enough to describe how vile I find THAT without using profanity in a public forum Lastly, you do so while insulting the participants in an avocation for which you have utter disgust, have blatantly lied about, and have no intention what-so-ever of being the least bit helpful for. "Scumbag" pretty well sums it up. In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent, distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent, distasteful and disrespectful'. Putz. ...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air, interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair. Temper fry. |
On 2 Jun 2005 19:45:52 -0700, wrote:
From: Leo on Jun 2, 6:40 pm On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: etc. What part of that is not accurate, Leo? Maybe you are who you say you are, and maybe you aren't. Maybe "Arf!" is who he says he is - or maybe he ain't. Perhaps! Hmmm - let's see here....I wasn't agreeing with you, so perhaps I am not legitimate. Not at all. Your lack of verifiable ID means there's room for doubt. Same for "Arf" or any other anonymous poster. You seem to place a great deal of value on 'verifiability', Jim. Heh. Just because someone's callbook ID is verifiable doesn't mean that much else is. Take you, for example - other than what's in the QRZ database, how much do we know about you? Just what you have stated in your posts - that's all. Is what you say true ? Maybe - maybe not. Unless someone is willing to put in the effort, time and expense to research an individual's claims, they can be neither proven nor disproven. I disagree in part, as far as this newsgroup is concerned: Certain individuals in here (curiously coincidental on their attitudes favoring morse code testing!) are allowed free rein on whatever they CLAIM. Others, challenging that attitude are rained on...lately insofar as national patriotism is concerned. Fair enough. That is the manifest of the PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers. I suggest that, in a public forum such as this, an individual's behaviour is a far better indicator of who they are than something as silly as a callbook listing. Forget claims of education, heroic feats and braggodocio - just read what the individual writes, and you'll see the real person shine through. (for example, what were you doing when you questioned my 'legitimacy' in this thread, Jim - picking yet another fight with Len? Hmmm - that happens a lot, doesn't it??) I can almost read the responses to that before he writes them... :-) Me too! :) Whether "Arf!" or anyone else here is 'legitimate' or not is quite immaterial! Why people are here, and how they behave while in here, is of much greater importance. Ahem...this is NOT allowed in the PCTA Extra Double Standard handbook. :-) And, of course, whether you believe that another poster is 'legitimate' or not is of no importance at all. Oy gevalt! That will raise the Hue and Cry! :-) Please don't say "Hue" - you'll raise bad memories of the Tit Offensive.... :) Please note that Len insists on calling "Arf!" names and comparing him to Nigerian bank scammers, but does not do the same for those who agree with him. "Nigerian?" Did I say specifically "Nigerian?" :-) You must have - Jim said you did! :) Not necessarily. I have not always agreed with Len's points either - nor he with mine - neither do I belittle his (considerable) accomplishments and experience or deliberately pick fights with him to bolster my own ego. (ahem). Maybe that's why civil discourse is possible between us? Duh..... Another U.S. Extra used to pull out some phrase about "gentlemen" and discourse in here. That Extra seems to have dropped such phraseology when others have posted items about national patriotism in here...after he has repeat-posted old works written by others. sigh Some on the group seem to have a pathological need to pick fights with others, though - are you suggesting that the target of these attacks should not return fire? (That wouldn't be much fun, would it?) Bill Cosby used to have a comedy routine many years ago about the Revolutionary War. It started out with a "Referee" explaining to the "player captains" what the "game rules" were. [naturally one-sided, the Redcoats had to march in straight lines in the open while the Revolutionaries could hide behind trees and rocks, firing at will] If one was an American, that was very funny. That was definitely NOT funny to a nationalistic Britisher at a social gathering in the Hollywood Hills. I could see the Brit's point of view, but others seemed not to. The hostess sensed nastiness brewing and intervened by changing the subject to a party activity, etc. Crisis averted. Bill Cosby went on to become a beloved comedian in American TV. Yet the subject matter [our Revolutionary War] was not a trivial thing when it was fought; England never really forgave the upstart Colonies for that and the War of 1812 had to repeat the whole process nearly 4 decades later. England didn't win that war either. Funny how some folks get all bent out of shape over something as simple as that. Comedy requires an open mind! Some of our contemporaries would have a coronary if tey were to sit through "Team America - World Police". Catchy soundtrack! A very remote parallel sort-of exists in here, the PCTA bravely "fighting" to keep their royal RULE alive, yet are slowly losing. The much-touted near-Byzantine CLASS structure of U.S. amateur radio has not been decimated, it has been cut in HALF. [Roman Legions were never that severe with their "disciplinary" measures of decimation] Further, to add insult to their "injury," the beloved Title/Rank/Status of "20 WPM Tested" was reduced to a "mere" 5 WPM. [their cold, dead reasoning refuses to let their mental fingers release their code keys...tsk] Their "Empire" is falling and they curse the evil "sloth" in revenge; George Lucas couldn't make a film on this epic due to too many "Annakin" manmiquins abounding. [see "Revenge of the Sloth" who want only the "easy way to get a license...etc, etc, ad nauseum] Sad, isn't it - Jeez, it's just a hobby! In addition, Len has posted here under a variety of screen names (like "averyfine" and "averyfineman") often without any real ID. I had no problem figuring out who the author of those posts were - did you? Get the humor? Avery Fineman...A Very Fine Man...heh heh. Anal-retentive morsemen have a "sense of humor" limited to laughing at those they try to humiliate. Tsk. My REAL Identity has never changed. It is still the same as my byline in Ham Radio Magazine, as is my postal address. A "screen name" or "handle" on a computer-modem provider site is dependent on the standards that provider establishes. There is NO "real ID" possible through nearly all computer-modem service providers. The exception is the "forwarding alias" provided by some sites such as the IEEE and ARRL both have for their members. As an IEEE member since 1973, my real identity is definitely known to them and has been for 35 years. I could not fake any "forwarding alias" through them due to their own controls to insure honesty; I could only choose what to use as an "alias" name. I had that capability since over three years ago but never got around to using it. "Avery Fineman," "LenOver21" were all handles I used in BBS computer-modem communications 20 years ago. "No CW Test" was a new one chosen just for this newsgroup 5 years ago. That was dropped due to the late (?) W0EX perverting that to "No CW Testicles" in his replies. Strangely, there was NO objection to that rather obvious male anatomy term but there was much ado about breasts and the alleged "pornographic" callsign of Kim, W5TIT. When I first joined AOL, their rules permitted screen names of a maximum of 8 characters. Since AOL membership is a few millions and that they do not allow identical names, having a set of common real names makes it difficult to choose a desired screen name without possessing a personal, federally- authorized, official merit badge callsign of the U.S. amateur radio corps. Since my life is NOT ruled by any hobby, the choice was either to use an old handle or improvise with a bit of humor. [humor is hard to come by in this oh-so-very serious gathering of beagles] AOL rules were relaxed later to all members' relief...and also increased to a maximum of SEVEN screen names per subscription! [all the same subscriber and billed to the subscriber] His Most Honorable Royal Highness of Morseman Hall has that same option. Now that AOL has phased out newsgroups, Jim is posting via Google - he is free to use any name that he chooses. BTW, have you noticed that since he began posting via Google, his language has deteriorated significantly (i.e. his posts contain the word "bulls$%^" quite frequently now - which was quite a rarity in the past.. See my comments in a previous post regarding how true character is reflected in one's posts..... :) Leo, if you happen to chance upon an AOL screen name of "Juan Mortime" in the future, that will be me. [pronounce it to get the pun - mightier than the sword] No doubt that is, somewhere, already OUTRAGING and INSULTING (!) Spanish speakers for "unpatriotically defacing Latin customs" everywhere. Sigh. I have more names plus another Internet provider. Everywhere one goes we find the anal-retentive with figurative USB connectors jammed up their I/O ports. Heh....No problem, Juan - won't bother me a bit! Juwanna Bet that you'll hear something about that from your - um - fan club about that? :) If someone wants to actually discuss something with me, fine. I've done that for 20 years without insulting anyone... except those USB-in-the-I/O-port folks. Others who think they can shoot verbal nasties at me with impugnity will get much more "return fire" than they expected. Screum. Best of springtime to you up in the north lands, Leo. And you too, Len - Jeez, we're finally getting some of the weather up here that you lucky Californians enjoy most of the year! :) 73, Leo |
Leo wrote: On 2 Jun 2005 19:45:52 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Jun 2, 6:40 pm On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: etc. What part of that is not accurate, Leo? Maybe you are who you say you are, and maybe you aren't. Maybe "Arf!" is who he says he is - or maybe he ain't. Perhaps! Hmmm - let's see here....I wasn't agreeing with you, so perhaps I am not legitimate. Not at all. Your lack of verifiable ID means there's room for doubt. Same for "Arf" or any other anonymous poster. You seem to place a great deal of value on 'verifiability', Jim. Heh. Just because someone's callbook ID is verifiable doesn't mean that much else is. Take you, for example - other than what's in the QRZ database, how much do we know about you? Just what you have stated in your posts - that's all. Is what you say true ? Maybe - maybe not. Unless someone is willing to put in the effort, time and expense to research an individual's claims, they can be neither proven nor disproven. I disagree in part, as far as this newsgroup is concerned: Certain individuals in here (curiously coincidental on their attitudes favoring morse code testing!) are allowed free rein on whatever they CLAIM. Others, challenging that attitude are rained on...lately insofar as national patriotism is concerned. Fair enough. Not really. Len "rains on" anyone who disagrees with him... A very remote parallel sort-of exists in here, the PCTA bravely "fighting" to keep their royal RULE alive, yet are slowly losing. The much-touted near-Byzantine CLASS structure of U.S. amateur radio has not been decimated, it has been cut in HALF. [Roman Legions were never that severe with their "disciplinary" measures of decimation] Further, to add insult to their "injury," the beloved Title/Rank/Status of "20 WPM Tested" was reduced to a "mere" 5 WPM. [their cold, dead reasoning refuses to let their mental fingers release their code keys...tsk] Their "Empire" is falling and they curse the evil "sloth" in revenge; George Lucas couldn't make a film on this epic due to too many "Annakin" manmiquins abounding. [see "Revenge of the Sloth" who want only the "easy way to get a license...etc, etc, ad nauseum] Sad, isn't it - Jeez, it's just a hobby! Does "hobby" equate to "there must be no standards"? BTW, have you noticed that since he began posting via Google, his language has deteriorated significantly (i.e. his posts contain the word "bulls$%^" quite frequently now - which was quite a rarity in the past.. Len has made a habit of posting things about me that are simply not true. Such as his false claim that I have tried to ban all but licensed amateurs from posting here, or commenting to FCC. That claim is simply false. When asked for evidence or example of where I have done so, Len has nothing to show. Yet he keeps making that claim, and others. Leo, what word would be more appropriate than "bull****" to describe that claim? What words would be more appropriate than "jackass behavior" to describe the actions of the person making such claims? Leo, if you happen to chance upon an AOL screen name of "Juan Mortime" in the future, that will be me. [pronounce it to get the pun - mightier than the sword] No doubt that is, somewhere, already OUTRAGING and INSULTING (!) Spanish speakers for "unpatriotically defacing Latin customs" everywhere. Sigh. I have more names plus another Internet provider. Everywhere one goes we find the anal-retentive with figurative USB connectors jammed up their I/O ports. Heh....No problem, Juan - won't bother me a bit! Juwanna Bet You guys are pikers. Look at just some of the folks who have gone befo From PHC: Sandy Beech Paige Turner Sarah Bellum From Car Talk: Heywood Jabuzzoff Peekip Andropov (chauffer service) Marge Inovera (research dept) Erasmus b. Dragon (really overworked staffer) Even from QST: Noah Q. Essels (claims he has DXCC but no verification) Lotta Chazzeez (homebrewer of many small projects) Harry Uppensine (makes very long CQs) And many more. Lots more of course, those are just the ones I recall offhand. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
From: Leo on Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:01:50 -0400
wrote: From: Leo on Jun 2, 6:40 pm On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: etc. I suggest that, in a public forum such as this, an individual's behaviour is a far better indicator of who they are than something as silly as a callbook listing. Forget claims of education, heroic feats and braggodocio - just read what the individual writes, and you'll see the real person shine through. (for example, what were you doing when you questioned my 'legitimacy' in this thread, Jim - picking yet another fight with Len? Hmmm - that happens a lot, doesn't it??) I can almost read the responses to that before he writes them... :-) Me too! :) Heh heh heh. Some of those responses have already shown up... Oy gevalt! That will raise the Hue and Cry! :-) Please don't say "Hue" - you'll raise bad memories of the Tit Offensive.... :) Hue said it, Leo... Please note that Len insists on calling "Arf!" names and comparing him to Nigerian bank scammers, but does not do the same for those who agree with him. "Nigerian?" Did I say specifically "Nigerian?" :-) You must have - Jim said you did! :) Jimmie is nebber Wong. Gosh, all those NAMES I called Jimmie: James, Jim, Jimmy, James Miccolis, even just Miccolis. Must be BAD thing! :-) Bill Cosby went on to become a beloved comedian in American TV. Yet the subject matter [our Revolutionary War] was not a trivial thing when it was fought; England never really forgave the upstart Colonies for that and the War of 1812 had to repeat the whole process nearly 4 decades later. England didn't win that war either. Funny how some folks get all bent out of shape over something as simple as that. Comedy requires an open mind! ...and a willingness to remain "open" to input. Some of our contemporaries would have a coronary if tey were to sit through "Team America - World Police". Catchy soundtrack! I've never seen that but have heard about it. One curious thing down here is the almost total "unforgivingness" of some in the USA's "south" 140 years after LOSING during our Civil War. They are still waving their Confederate battle standards and claiming "supremacy." Sore losers...seven generations after the fact. [I live farther south than nearly all of the "southerners" in here] A very remote parallel sort-of exists in here, the PCTA bravely "fighting" to keep their royal RULE alive, yet are slowly losing. The much-touted near-Byzantine CLASS structure of U.S. amateur radio has not been decimated, it has been cut in HALF. [Roman Legions were never that severe with their "disciplinary" measures of decimation] Further, to add insult to their "injury," the beloved Title/Rank/Status of "20 WPM Tested" was reduced to a "mere" 5 WPM. [their cold, dead reasoning refuses to let their mental fingers release their code keys...tsk] Their "Empire" is falling and they curse the evil "sloth" in revenge; George Lucas couldn't make a film on this epic due to too many "Annakin" manmiquins abounding. [see "Revenge of the Sloth" who want only the "easy way to get a license...etc, etc, ad nauseum] Sad, isn't it - Jeez, it's just a hobby! "Radio" is a rather fascinating field of activity. While not all find it so, it intrigued me so much I made an abrupt career choice to make that my work in addition to hobbies. I found out that MOST of my contemporaries NEVER BOTHERED with a "ham license" before entering electronics. To see some of the ham devotees in here, that was "wrong." I was supposed to "get a ham license FIRST" according to one...that would "show my dedication to the ham community!" Er, the "ham community" didn't "recruit" me and didn't identify themselves individually; they loomed as some giant spectre in the moral aphorisms of the mighty League. "Do it THIS way or you'll go blind...'can't I do it until I just need glasses?'" :-) Now that AOL has phased out newsgroups, Jim is posting via Google - he is free to use any name that he chooses. I think that "His Royal Highness" is already taken... :-( BTW, have you noticed that since he began posting via Google, his language has deteriorated significantly (i.e. his posts contain the word "bulls$%^" quite frequently now - which was quite a rarity in the past.. Interesting. :-) I rather like the hypocrisy displayed by others...especially one who is decidedly not Hebrew nor Central Europe ethnic who uses a four-letter Yiddish nastyword meaning "penis head." Many years ago Playboy magazine published a funny, funny version of "Mother Goose" stories with selective use of octothorpe [#] "censorship black-outs". An example: Little Miss Muffet ### on a ######, Eating ### ##### and ####, Along came a ##### ... ...and so forth... :-) Heh, talk about some folks having a coronary...:-) See my comments in a previous post regarding how true character is reflected in one's posts..... :) Lots of characters in this group grope. Leo, if you happen to chance upon an AOL screen name of "Juan Mortime" in the future, that will be me. [pronounce it to get the pun - mightier than the sword] No doubt that is, somewhere, already OUTRAGING and INSULTING (!) Spanish speakers for "unpatriotically defacing Latin customs" everywhere. Sigh. I have more names plus another Internet provider. Everywhere one goes we find the anal-retentive with figurative USB connectors jammed up their I/O ports. Heh....No problem, Juan - won't bother me a bit! Juwanna Bet that you'll hear something about that from your - um - fan club about that? :) WHICH "fan club?" :-) I've found that I must restrict my actions for environmental reasons. There's so many balloons of hot air here and there that, though puncturing the gas bags is great fun, releasing all that hot air may increase global warming! |
On 5 Jun 2005 05:41:50 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 2 Jun 2005 19:45:52 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Jun 2, 6:40 pm On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote: snip Leo, what word would be more appropriate than "bull****" to describe that claim? Incorrect? As in "that claim is incorrect...." What words would be more appropriate than "jackass behavior" to describe the actions of the person making such claims? In error? As in "I believe that he is in error ...." snip 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo |
Leo wrote: On 5 Jun 2005 05:41:50 -0700, wrote: Leo, what word would be more appropriate than "bull****" to describe that claim? Incorrect? As in "that claim is incorrect...." I'm with you on that one, Leo. But instead of "that claim is incorrect," we are treated to LIAR, and/or Gay Man accusations from Jim's little puppet. Jim IS Quitefine with it all. |
bb wrote: Leo wrote: On 5 Jun 2005 05:41:50 -0700, wrote: Leo, what word would be more appropriate than "bull****" to describe that claim? Incorrect? As in "that claim is incorrect...." I'm with you on that one, Leo. But instead of "that claim is incorrect," we are treated to LIAR, and/or Gay Man accusations from Jim's little puppet. Jim IS Quitefine with it all. Noooooooooo....... You're treated to "liar" after you've made a claim and then failed to back it up with at least SOME form of reasonable corroboration. Saying "My opinion is..." is one thing. That's black and white. Saying "ARES is overblown and it's members wontt/can't respond" in the face of almost weekly evidence to the contrary and then not acknowledging it is just stupid. Steve, K4YZ |
From: K4YZ on Jun 6, 3:00 am
bb wrote: Leo wrote: On 5 Jun 2005 05:41:50 -0700, wrote: Leo, what word would be more appropriate than "bull****" to describe that claim? Incorrect? As in "that claim is incorrect...." I'm with you on that one, Leo. But instead of "that claim is incorrect," we are treated to LIAR, and/or Gay Man accusations from Jim's little puppet. Jim IS Quitefine with it all. Noooooooooo....... Yaaasssssssssssssss................ You're treated to "liar" after you've made a claim and then failed to back it up with at least SOME form of reasonable corroboration. Tsk, tsk, tsk. WHERE and WHEN were Stebie's CLAIMED "seven hostile actions"? Saying "My opinion is..." is one thing. That's black and white. Okay, now we understand...you no longer CLAIM "seven hostile actions"...that is just YOUR OPINION. OK. Saying "ARES is overblown and it's members wontt/can't respond" in the face of almost weekly evidence to the contrary and then not acknowledging it is just stupid. "Wontt"? :-) "Weekly evidence?" There are large-enough emergencies EVERY WEEK in the USA that require amateur radio communications assistance? [I don't think so...not even "almost"...] Is it YOUR OPINION that you were an "Assistant" NCOIC at a MARS station 24 years ago? Do you acknowledge that the U.S. military runs MARS or is it still YOUR OPINION that "MARS IS amateur radio?" Temper fry. |
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rom: on Jun 6, 3:00 am
wrote: From: K4YZ on Jun 6, 3:00 am bb wrote: Leo wrote: On 5 Jun 2005 05:41:50 -0700, wrote: Leo, what word would be more appropriate than "bull****" to describe that claim? Incorrect? As in "that claim is incorrect...." I'm with you on that one, Leo. But instead of "that claim is incorrect," we are treated to LIAR, and/or Gay Man accusations from Jim's little puppet. Jim IS Quitefine with it all. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.................... Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Last Action Hero tries to turn every subject thread to HIMSELF (and his multiple personalities). You're treated to "liar" after you've made a claim and then failed to back it up with at least SOME form of reasonable corroboration. Tsk, tsk, tsk. WHERE and WHEN were Stebie's CLAIMED "seven hostile actions"? Some of them were on the front pages...two weren't. Ahhhh, wowee! "Secret ops!" [all very hush-hush] When is when I was still on Active Duty. Which was when, 1974 to 1992? The rest is "For Me To Know An You To Find Out"... Ho ho ho. Mighty warrior making with grade-school taunts. OKAY...let's got down the line in the Almanac and see what those "front page" hostile actions we 1. The Vietanm War...was on-going in 1970 and ended 29 Apr 75 with the evacuation of all Americans from Siagon. And then had a brief restart with the capture of the US merchant ship Mayaguez. The USMC attacked a little island in "response." 2. The American Embassy in Iran was taken over in 1979 and several in a USAF-USA rescue force were killed before they could get started on that on 24 Apr 79. [too early for Stebie to have his "accident" and still serve] 3. A new USMC installation outside of Beirut, Lebanon was hit by a suicide truck bomber, killing many marines on 23 Oct 83. [was that when Stebie had his "accident?"] 3 (a) A South Korean airliner was shot down by USSR fighters on 1 Sep 83. No, not a USMC action; the U.S.Army recorded the air-air and air-ground USSR comms and that was played before the UN General Assembly. 4. The little island of Grenada was invaded by a combined U.S. military force on 25 Oct 83. [maybe THAT was the place that Stebie had his "accident?" too early] 4 (a) The cruise ship Achille Lauro was "shipjacked" by terrorists in 1985 but that didn't involve USMC. 4 (b) An Iraqi missled killed 37 on the USN frigate USS Stark on 17 May 87. All-USN, no USMC. 4 (c) The guided missle cruiser USS Vincennes shoots down an Iranian airliner on 3 Jul 88, killing 290. Nope, just USN "marksmanship" at work, no USMC. 5. U.S. forces invade Panama on 20 Dec 89, and eventually capture Manuel Noriega (courtesy of the U.S. Army). Now that MIGHT have been one of Stebie's hostile acts but too soon for his "accident." 6. Operation Desert Shield begins on 2 Aug 90 and Operation Desert Storm ends 27 Feb 91. Stebie doesn't brag about being in either Kuwait or Iraq or Saudi Arabia. USAF takes due credit for "Shield" and USA does most of "100 hour" ground war in "Storm" (see battle plan "73 Easting" at West Point). 7. UN combined force enters Somalia on 9 Dec 92 but pull out by 28 Feb 93. Stebie said he was NOT in Somalia. 7 (a) Branch Davidians catch fire on 28 Feb 93 but that is not a USMC action. 8. Combined U.S. force enters Haiti on 32 Mar 95 for peace- keeping purposes. [maybe Stebie tripped on something in front of a VA office in TN as a civilian and had his "accident?"] Saying "My opinion is..." is one thing. That's black and white. Okay, now we understand...you no longer CLAIM "seven hostile actions"...that is just YOUR OPINION. Nope. Okay...it's just your BRAG. There's not enough for "seven" in that list of "front page" news. Were you shouldering your boresighted code key in your secret ops you don't mention? Busy giving the "enemy" hell with your morsemanship? Or weren't you simply doing REAR-AREA stuff and polishing your own booties? "Weekly evidence?" There are large-enough emergencies EVERY WEEK in the USA that require amateur radio communications assistance? [I don't think so...not even "almost"...] Yep. Weekly. Tsk. You spelled "weakly" wrong twice. Is it YOUR OPINION that you were an "Assistant" NCOIC at a MARS station 24 years ago? No. It's a matter of RECORD that I was ANCOIC of the Okinawa Islandwide MARS System in 1981. I was NCOIC of NNN0MOC/MOF during that same time... Tsk, tsk. All we readers get is a BROKEN RECORD in here, unintelligible sound punctuated by cursing clicks. Was that also a "secret ops" that you can't talk about? Do you acknowledge that the U.S. military runs MARS or is it still YOUR OPINION that "MARS IS amateur radio?" It's always been my postition that MARS is run by DoD. NOOOOOOO. You are ON RECORD - and in the archives of Google - as having DENIED that. Tsk, tsk, tsk. It's ALSO been my position that my comments from the post you continue to inaccurately paraphrase from were that the same spirit of service that permeates Amateur Radio is part and parcel of the MARS programs as they are almost completely fleshed out BY licensed, civilian Amateur Radio operators. "Completely?" Tsk, tsk. No again. MARS was originally begun as a very small-scale (and low budget) ARMY project back in 1925...more for publicity for the Army than any real radio improvement (Motorola did more of that in 1940 than any bunch of amateur volunteers). USA and USAF combined that activity after WW2 and gave it the name of MILITARY AFFILIATE Radio System. USN-USMC were last to join MARS in the sixties. If MARS is "completely fleshed out" by civilian volunteers, why are there USA and USAF MARS MILITARY Headquarter installations on MILITARY posts? No Amateur Radio = No MARS. No Army experiment in 1925 and there never would have been a MARS. Sorry, you lost. MARS is NOT a player in any of the worldwide U.S. military tactical communications networks. It really is THAT simple. The TRUTH is out there, but you keep retreating to your private internal FANTASY. Tsk, tsk. |
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wrote: rom: K4YZ on Jun 6, 3:00 am Some of them were on the front pages...two weren't. Ahhhh, wowee! "Secret ops!" [all very hush-hush] I didn't say they were "secret ops", Lennie..You did. I just said they weren't on the front pages. Focus, Scumbag...Focus. When is when I was still on Active Duty. Which was when, 1974 to 1992? The rest is "For Me To Know An You To Find Out"... Ho ho ho. Mighty warrior making with grade-school taunts. Nope...Just love rubbing your nose in it. OKAY...let's got down the line in the Almanac and see what those "front page" hostile actions we 1. The Vietanm War...was on-going in 1970 and ended 29 Apr 75 with the evacuation of all Americans from Siagon. And then had a brief restart with the capture of the US merchant ship Mayaguez. The USMC attacked a little island in "response." Nope. Big snip of other actions. I told you, Lennie...It's none of your business. You want to claim I wasn't there and it's "just a brag"...Have fun. You'll be lying to everyone here AND yourself. Also...get the details of the Mayaguez operation correct, please... The USMC provided ground troops on that mission...It was also supported by the USAF and the US Navy. The "USMC" attacked nothing...the United States did. The Armed Forces, including the Marine Corps, ONLY move on the orders of the CIVILIAN government that was put there by the electorate. Saying "My opinion is..." is one thing. That's black and white. Okay, now we understand...you no longer CLAIM "seven hostile actions"...that is just YOUR OPINION. Nope. Okay...it's just your BRAG. There's not enough for "seven" in that list of "front page" news. No brag. And you missed some events, Lennie. Short on facts again. Embarrassing, isn't it, Scumbag? All that knowledge at your fingertips and still coming up short...?!?! Were you shouldering your boresighted code key in your secret ops you don't mention? Busy giving the "enemy" hell with your morsemanship? Or weren't you simply doing REAR-AREA stuff and polishing your own booties? I didn't say they were "secret ops". You did. I said they weren't on the front page. Not every deployment of the Armed Forces is a banner news item. "Weekly evidence?" There are large-enough emergencies EVERY WEEK in the USA that require amateur radio communications assistance? [I don't think so...not even "almost"...] Yep. Weekly. Tsk. You spelled "weakly" wrong twice. Nope. Got it right. Nice try at diversion, though...Cute..Timely... Is it YOUR OPINION that you were an "Assistant" NCOIC at a MARS station 24 years ago? No. It's a matter of RECORD that I was ANCOIC of the Okinawa Islandwide MARS System in 1981. I was NCOIC of NNN0MOC/MOF during that same time... Tsk, tsk. All we readers get is a BROKEN RECORD in here, unintelligible sound punctuated by cursing clicks. Was that also a "secret ops" that you can't talk about? I didn't say "secret ops", Lennie...YOU did. I said it wasn't front page stuff. Do you acknowledge that the U.S. military runs MARS or is it still YOUR OPINION that "MARS IS amateur radio?" It's always been my postition that MARS is run by DoD. NOOOOOOO. You are ON RECORD - and in the archives of Google - as having DENIED that. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are lying, Lennie. Again. It's ALSO been my position that my comments from the post you continue to inaccurately paraphrase from were that the same spirit of service that permeates Amateur Radio is part and parcel of the MARS programs as they are almost completely fleshed out BY licensed, civilian Amateur Radio operators. "Completely?" Tsk, tsk. No again. MARS was originally begun as a very small-scale (and low budget) ARMY project back in 1925...more for publicity for the Army than any real radio improvement (Motorola did more of that in 1940 than any bunch of amateur volunteers). USA and USAF combined that activity after WW2 and gave it the name of MILITARY AFFILIATE Radio System. USN-USMC were last to join MARS in the sixties. "Motorola" as a company didn't exist until 1947, Lennie, so how did THAT happen? Until 1947 "Motorola" was a "model" of car radio. (Damn...bet THAT stings.....) If MARS is "completely fleshed out" by civilian volunteers, why are there USA and USAF MARS MILITARY Headquarter installations on MILITARY posts? Lennie, if you're going to misquote me, it would behoove you to NOT try and misquote me while simultaneously cut-and-pasting my exact words from the previous post. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. No Army experiment in 1925 and there never would have been a MARS. Sorry, you lost. MARS is NOT a player in any of the worldwide U.S. military tactical communications networks. It really is THAT simple. The TRUTH is out there, but you keep retreating to your private internal FANTASY. Tsk, tsk. The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ |
From: "bb" on Tues 7 Jun 2005 18:48
wrote: rom: on Jun 6, 3:00 am It's a matter of RECORD that I was ANCOIC of the Okinawa Islandwide MARS System in 1981. I was NCOIC of NNN0MOC/MOF during that same time... Tsk, tsk. All we readers get is a BROKEN RECORD in here, unintelligible sound punctuated by cursing clicks. Was that also a "secret ops" that you can't talk about? Prove it. Show the RECORD. I can't prove it, haven't seen it. :-) Do you acknowledge that the U.S. military runs MARS or is it still YOUR OPINION that "MARS IS amateur radio?" It's always been my postition that MARS is run by DoD. NOOOOOOO. You are ON RECORD - and in the archives of Google - as having DENIED that. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Yep. First he said, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Then there was a long period of defending that, followed by an even longer period of backpedalling. Then he came up with a new plan, the one below. All archived. All "LIES," Brian. Stebie never wrote any exact words and denies it all. Someone of the great Anti-Stebie Conspiracy got into Google and falsified the archives! It's ALSO been my position that my comments from the post you continue to inaccurately paraphrase from were that the same spirit of service that permeates Amateur Radio is part and parcel of the MARS programs as they are almost completely fleshed out BY licensed, civilian Amateur Radio operators. No paraphrase. It is an EXACT quote. All archived It's part of the Big Conspiracy against Stebie. |
K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Scenario 7: You are heading to the "actionable area" to train USA personnel at a RADAR site. The hills are painted green and have very large numbers on them. You reach a checkpoint manned my Host Nation Army. They point guns in your face and tell you "No." They apparently have no other vocabularly. Is that a hostile action? Scenario 6: Same general area. You are deployed to an -exercise- location. A round of artillery explodes about 200 meters away from your tent. Is that a hostile action? Scenario 5: You are involved in on a meals on wheels operation. As you travel through a primary city, you see a vehicle paralleling your convoy, and it has it's 50 cal pointing directly at you. Is that a hostile action? Scenario 4: Same location. While "in-garrison" you receive fire from a nearby building which overlooks the compound. The bullets go wide. Is that a hostile action? Scenario 3: Same location. It is New Year's Eve, Dec 31, 1992 and you see rockets going back and forth outside your compound. Thirty cal fire kicks up sand in front of you. Is that a hostile action? Scenario 2: Same location. Later in January, while moving toward the just opened chow hall, it is hit by a single 30mm round. Is that a hostile action? And Secnario 1: Okinawa. The "A" NCOIC of a MARS shop gets short sheeted by his troops because he doesn't know dink about comms. Is that a hostile action? |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. What protesting? Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging gunfire. REAL gunfire...no BFA's. Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Cute. None of them correct. Is that a hostile action? I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. What protesting? Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging gunfire. REAL gunfire...no BFA's. Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Cute. None of them correct. Is that a hostile action? I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian... Steve, K4YZ I'm sure you wouldn't know either. Got any proof? |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. What protesting? Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging gunfire. REAL gunfire...no BFA's. Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Cute. None of them correct. Is that a hostile action? I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian... Steve, K4YZ I'm sure you wouldn't know either. Then you'd be wrong. (As if THAT were new...) Got any proof? Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, K4YZ |
From: "K4YZ" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 22:59
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. What protesting? "Protesting" that you are not honored and revered for your mighty military missions, oh great warrior of the mouth. :-) Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging gunfire. REAL gunfire...no BFA's. Real KEYBOARDING, mighty warrior of the newsgroup. NO EVIDENCE, no "real gunfire." :-) Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Cute. None of them correct. Tsk, tsk, as "correct" as mighty Stebie's mouthing-off. :-) Is that a hostile action? I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian... Poor Stebie, so full of himself he'd trip over a speed bump in that parking lot, fa' down and hurt hisself. Waaa-waaaa! ;-) Gotta love these wanna-be warriors, so full of STORIES of MIGHTY WARRIOR ACTIONS! If any of it were true, the DoD budget would have to be increased by several millions in order to buy all the medals that should rightfully be awarded to these LAST ACTION HEROES! Stebie gets CMH with oak leaf clusters! Stebie is a FIGHT MANUFACTURER. Better than Don King (except for the lack of hair). FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !!! Stebie wanna BEAT UP anyone daring to contradict him. MIghty WARrior of newsgroup! Stebie MAKE UP ISSUES, call everybody wrong, snarl, POSTURE, BRAG. No evidence. All mouthy keyboard. Hooray for ham radio, last battlefield. Last battlefield for Mighty Warrior Stebie. NO evidence seen by anyone anywhere of Mighty Warrior ACTIONS. All mighty TEXT, words, brag words, threats of bodily harm to unbelievers. Adulterated bull****. Not good fertilizer for future flowering youth. That's what his generation of AMATEUR RADIO is all about? Haynie didn't include that with his speech. Tsk. Should have. Maybe Stebie challenge Haynie with "parking lot battle" for forgetting the mighty warrior (of no evidence)? Modern AMATEUR RADIO, home of the MIGHTY WARRIORS OF KEYBOARDS. Pbththththth. |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. What protesting? Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging gunfire. REAL gunfire...no BFA's. Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Cute. None of them correct. Is that a hostile action? I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian... Steve, K4YZ I'm sure you wouldn't know either. Then you'd be wrong. (As if THAT were new...) Got any proof? Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, K4YZ Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. |
From: bb on Jun 9, 6:07 pm
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Stebie gonna wait after school's out, then beat you up! Stebie FANTASY. Gotta love these mighty macho morsemen wanting to commit bodily harm on all who disagree with them. Infantile idiots all of them. I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. Stebie suffers from the bleeding disease. Everytime someone disagrees with Stebie, Stebie gets blood in his eye. Stebie very ANGRY. Stebie very HATEFUL. Stebie nuts. Stebie nutcase not good for U.S. amateur radio role model. |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The "internal fantasy" here, is yours. That being that you know anything truly meaningful about Amateur Radio or any of it's associated programs. Steve, K4YZ Steve, there sure is lots of protesting and denial in your post, and lots of claims of "not headline news" hostile actions. Len would be pleased. Very pleased. What protesting? Can you give us some examples of what you consider hostile actions? Engaged in direct fire with a hostile opponent. Exchanging gunfire. REAL gunfire...no BFA's. Probably not. OK, I'll give some. Cute. None of them correct. Is that a hostile action? I am sure that you wouldn't know "hostile action" if it greeted you in the parking lot and poked you in the nose, Brian... Steve, K4YZ I'm sure you wouldn't know either. Then you'd be wrong. (As if THAT were new...) Got any proof? Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, K4YZ Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Shall I sign you up for a remedial reading course, Brain? I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. No...to YOU it meant getting sand in your eye. Being a non-combatant your whole career, I am sure that some sand in your eyes or chapped hands from too much White-Out fluid was "trauma". Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: bb on Jun 9, 6:07 pm K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Stebie gonna wait after school's out, then beat you up! Nope. Stebie FANTASY. MY fantasy does not involve any participants from THIS forum. Gotta love these mighty macho morsemen wanting to commit bodily harm on all who disagree with them. Infantile idiots all of them. So it's OK for an anti-Amateur Radio, anti-Veteran like yourself to slap us around, then NOT ok to reciprocate? I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. Stebie suffers from the bleeding disease. Everytime someone disagrees with Stebie, Stebie gets blood in his eye. Nope. Stebie very ANGRY. Stebie very HATEFUL. Stebie nuts. A lie. A lie. Three lies in a row. What a record, Lennie. Stebie nutcase not good for U.S. amateur radio role model. LenIamTheNutcaseIaccuseOthersOfBeingAnderson@ieee. org Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
From: "K4YZ" on Jun 10, 1:12 am
wrote: From: bb on Jun 9, 6:07 pm K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Stebie gonna wait after school's out, then beat you up! Nope. Stebie gonna beat up somebody IN class? Naughty, naughty, Nursie Worsie. Teacher spank you. Sister Nun of the Above spank you on knuckles. Stebie FANTASY. MY fantasy does not involve any participants from THIS forum. Poor Nursie Worsie, got sex fantasy? You turn into Gonad the Librarian in day-dreaming? Gotta love these mighty macho morsemen wanting to commit bodily harm on all who disagree with them. Infantile idiots all of them. So it's OK for an anti-Amateur Radio, anti-Veteran like yourself to slap us around, then NOT ok to reciprocate? Oooooooo! Nursie Worsie vewwy ANGWY! He get SLAPPED! Oh, poor Nursie Worsie, can't **** on anyone he want to! I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. Stebie suffers from the bleeding disease. Everytime someone disagrees with Stebie, Stebie gets blood in his eye. Nope. Stebie got BLOOD in eye now! HATE! Vewwy ANGWY!!! :-) Stebie very ANGRY. Stebie very HATEFUL. Stebie nuts. A lie. A lie. Three lies in a row. What a record, Lennie. Stebie go Egypt, take river boat? He on sinking ship in river denial. Quick, someone throw mighty macho morseman a hate preserver! Stebie nutcase not good for U.S. amateur radio role model. Putz. Shalom. Yu vant latkes wid dat? Oy, oy, such a schlemiel. Stebie be Yiddish? Have operation, remove excess skin? Tsk, tsk. Not good for Gonad the Librarian fantasies! Stebie need blood transfusion from so much blood in eye? Quick, get type match for "CW-negative"! Stick needle into own vein, fill up. Plenty other good stuff in hospital, help yourself to some downers, okay? Be better for you, lower BP, no get stroke or infarc. Get help from shrink. You need shrink. Stebie look good in shrink wrap. Stebie up too late. Not good. Raise BP to dangerous levels. Stebie identify too much with screen. No comprehension of others. Stebie awash in fantasies of others. Soon Stebie vein pop. Pop, pop. Bye, bye Stebie. We will send flower. Not RIP anything. |
wrote: From: "K4YZ" on Jun 10, 1:12 am Gotta love these mighty macho morsemen wanting to commit bodily harm on all who disagree with them. Infantile idiots all of them. So it's OK for an anti-Amateur Radio, anti-Veteran like yourself to slap us around, then NOT ok to reciprocate? Oooooooo! Nursie Worsie vewwy ANGWY! He get SLAPPED! You didn't answer the question, Lennie. Why? Oh, poor Nursie Worsie, can't #### on anyone he want to! I don't want to. But I am saving the caffinated drinks for your "honor", Lennie. Stebie very ANGRY. Stebie very HATEFUL. Stebie nuts. A lie. A lie. Three lies in a row. What a record, Lennie. Stebie go Egypt, take river boat? He on sinking ship in river denial. Nope. But you're still a liar. BTW...You kiss Mrs Lennie with tht mouth? Stebie up too late. Nope. This is the "middle of the day" for me. Ten AM is "late" for me. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, K4YZ Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Shall I sign you up for a remedial reading course, Brain? Shall you answer the question? I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. No...to YOU it meant getting sand in your eye. I've not had sand in my eye. Being a non-combatant your whole career, I am sure that some sand in your eyes or chapped hands from too much White-Out fluid was "trauma". Steve, K4YZ Were you ever a combatant, I mean when you were in the service? |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, K4YZ Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Shall I sign you up for a remedial reading course, Brain? Shall you answer the question? Read the original statement, Brain. Why do you always waffle on doing what was right the FIRST time? I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. No...to YOU it meant getting sand in your eye. I've not had sand in my eye. But you suggest that was all I "knew" about "hostile action". So...Like Lennie, you make analogies to things for which you have NO practical experience. Why am I not surprised? Being a non-combatant your whole career, I am sure that some sand in your eyes or chapped hands from too much White-Out fluid was "trauma". Steve, K4YZ Were you ever a combatant, I mean when you were in the service? Yep. Said so before. Do you have a comprehension deficit problem? I can refer you to services in your area that will assist you. Steve, K4YZ |
From: bb on Jun 10, 6:02 am
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: Shall I demonstrate, or are you willing to accept that what would transpire would cause you pain and suffering (along with some moderate bleeding, easily controlled with ice and direct pressure?) Steve, K4YZ Steve, why would it cause me any pain and suffering? Do you wish to harm me? Shall I sign you up for a remedial reading course, Brain? Shall you answer the question? Stebie too busy with music. Stebie play violence. He second violence, sit next to concertmaster. After rehearsal all violence players beat each other up. No brass. Toot, toot. I was asking you what a hostile action meant to you. Prior to yesterday, it meant getting sand in your eye. No...to YOU it meant getting sand in your eye. I've not had sand in my eye. Being a non-combatant your whole career, I am sure that some sand in your eyes or chapped hands from too much White-Out fluid was "trauma". Were you ever a combatant, I mean when you were in the service? Stebie FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT alla time. Gonad the Librarian. All in newsgroup. Archived. Strong, mighty warrior on-screen. Stebie try destroy all enemies. Conquer, vanquish, get more oak leaf clusters for Congressional Medal of Honor from Stebieland congress. Big parade, fancy uniform, white bunting, flags fly, all march same drummer, boom-boom. Stebie patriotic, super support-defend Stebie constitution against all enemies, foreign and on-line. Boom, boom. Poor Stebie, he not make Gulden Gloves...he not cut mustard. Mebbe Stebie talk radio? No, Stebie allatime talk FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, warrior stuff, fragging tales, cut-n-paste from soldier of fortune magazine. Stebie be Chesty wanna-be. Salute. Boom, boom. Pop, pop. Bye, bye, Stebie. No get flower. |
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