On 2 Jun 2005 17:21:36 -0700, wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote:

wrote:
wrote:
Arf! Arf! wrote:

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Here's a simple, direct question:

Do you think Len's little piece on the "Tomb of the Unknown Solder" is
funny? Or is it an insult to the Unknowns? Or is
it something else?

Personally, I saw it for the humorous parody that it was intended to
be - not 'laugh out loud' funny, but humourous (and rather witty!)
nevertheless.

I understand that some may find that particular subject to be one that
should not be parodied - but, considering the obvious pride that the
author has in both his own military service and the service of others,
I would strongly doubt that any disrespect whatsoever was intended to
those whose ultimate sacrifice is honoured by the Tomb of the Unknown
Soldier.

My $.02 .




73 de Jim, N2EY

73, Leo

From: Leo on Fri 3 Jun 2005 18:45

On 2 Jun 2005 17:21:36 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote:

etc.

Here's a simple, direct question:

Do you think Len's little piece on the "Tomb of the Unknown Solder" is
funny? Or is it an insult to the Unknowns? Or is
it something else?

Personally, I saw it for the humorous parody that it was intended to
be - not 'laugh out loud' funny, but humourous (and rather witty!)
nevertheless.

Actually, it is a sharp and pointed piece of satiric sarcasm
that is unmistakably aimed at our Last Action Hero (seven
times) in here. :-)

I understand that some may find that particular subject to be one that
should not be parodied - but, considering the obvious pride that the
author has in both his own military service and the service of others,
I would strongly doubt that any disrespect whatsoever was intended to
those whose ultimate sacrifice is honoured by the Tomb of the Unknown
Soldier.

There's a very simple ceremony done in the U.S. military,
or at least was, and I'm not sure of other branches
besides Army. It is called "Retreat" and done at the
beginning of sundown, coincident with lowering the Flag.
Most times it is done simply by a group accompanying the
Flag handlers. Sometimes it has a simple dedication to an
individual or individuals. One "stands a Retreat" out of
respect, to honor all that went before. Anyone who "stands
a Retreat" will understand. Others, especially those never
having served, will dismiss it as simply lowering the flag,
just another excuse by the military for some kind of ceremony.
They cannot feel the ceremony within. They are not a Part
of it.

There's another curious-to-non-military-persons custom or
rather attitude which pertains to Unit Recognition. Navy
personnel express that by a pride in "their" ship. Other
branches will identify with their Unit or work identity.
It is sometimes referred to (technically) as Unit
Cohesiveness or (familiarly) as Teamwork or perhaps just
inwardly as Pride in what one does.

In my case I had that sense of Unit with the Signal
Battalion I was assigned to. I had no choice in which
unit, yet grew to feel a part of it, of identifying it as
"my" battalion. I took pride in doing my assigned work.
I learned of the unit's origin, how it changed over time,
saw how it kept changing while I was there...and kept
track of it even long after my Honorable Discharge was
given me in 1960.

What I find truly abhorrent, distasteful, disrespectful,
and quite sickening is the charges of "dishonor" leveled
by a hateful little emotional loose cannon in here done
for no other reason than he hates some people and cannot
hold back his rage and anger. What adds to the abhorrence,
distaste, and disrespect is the self-perceived NON-serving
veteran who wants to "chide" others for their "mistakes"
about the U.S. military when they are (supposedly) U.S.
citizens. Their whole reason for their "charges" are
based on nothing but trying to "win" some argument over a
subject...using those rather obvious false charges which
have NO relationship to the subject.

Simple summation: Jimmie be too uptight and anal; he needs
to get laid.

My $.02 .

...and now mine...plus shipping charges...Jimmie gets bill.

This has departed from "amateur radio" subjects but, given,
the overall anal-retentive attitude in here of trying to
tie together military forces with a HOBBY involving radio
(which is NO tie at all), I felt it had to be said.

We can now resume the usual PCTA Extra Double Standard
banner waving long in progress. The Morsebirds are
twittering in full song...

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From: Leo on Fri 3 Jun 2005 18:45

What I find truly abhorrent, distasteful, disrespectful,
and quite sickening is the charges of "dishonor" leveled
by a hateful little emotional loose cannon in here done
for no other reason than he hates some people and cannot
hold back his rage and anger.

You ARE dishonorable, Lennie.

Over the course of 3 years or so you've repeated these stories
about Soldiers you didn' know who died in combat before yo were even
inducted in such a way as to associate YOUR lame rear-area,
non-combatant radio mechanic duty with them for your own
glorification..

That was disgusting enough.

Now you've tried to score your self-proclaimed "newsgroup
messaging points" with this purile "parody" of the Tomb of the
Unknowns.

I just can't manifest language intense enough to describe how vile
I find THAT without using profanity in a public forum

Lastly, you do so while insulting the participants in an avocation
for which you have utter disgust, have blatantly lied about, and have
no intention what-so-ever of being the least bit helpful for.

"Scumbag" pretty well sums it up.

In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectful'.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

You ARE dishonorable, Lennie.

Over the course of 3 years or so you've repeated these stories
about Soldiers you didn' know who died in combat before yo were even
inducted in such a way as to associate YOUR lame rear-area,
non-combatant radio mechanic duty with them for your own
glorification..

That was disgusting enough.

Now you've tried to score your self-proclaimed "newsgroup
messaging points" with this purile "parody" of the Tomb of the
Unknowns.

I just can't manifest language intense enough to describe how vile
I find THAT without using profanity in a public forum

Lastly, you do so while insulting the participants in an avocation
for which you have utter disgust, have blatantly lied about, and have
no intention what-so-ever of being the least bit helpful for.

"Scumbag" pretty well sums it up.

In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectful'.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ


Wow! You pretty much put the icing on Lennie's cake, Steve.
Of course it goes without saying that Lennie will HAVE to post a three
chapter response.

You know Len. Never say in one sentence that which he can better say in 18
paragraphs.
Bets are on that Len will post a novel in response, though none of us will
read it.

K4YZ wrote:

In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectful'.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ


Don't know why anyone pays *any* attention to lennieboy, he isn't a ham,
too dumb/lazy to become one so he has no skin in the game. What he has
to say is of no revelence at all. Just ignore him completely and maybe
he will eventually go away.

From: "K4YZ" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 00:38

wrote:
From: Leo on Fri 3 Jun 2005 18:45


You ARE dishonorable, Lennie.

Over the course of 3 years or so you've repeated these stories
about Soldiers you didn' know who died in combat before yo were even
inducted in such a way as to associate YOUR lame rear-area,
non-combatant radio mechanic duty with them for your own
glorification..

That was disgusting enough.

Now you've tried to score your self-proclaimed "newsgroup
messaging points" with this purile "parody" of the Tomb of the
Unknowns.

I just can't manifest language intense enough to describe how vile
I find THAT without using profanity in a public forum

Lastly, you do so while insulting the participants in an avocation
for which you have utter disgust, have blatantly lied about, and have
no intention what-so-ever of being the least bit helpful for.

"Scumbag" pretty well sums it up.

In short, "we" don't really care what YOU find "abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectable"...because you ARE 'abhorrent,
distasteful and disrespectful'.

Putz.

...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron
in the other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet
extinct. The Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep
in the valley of neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single
sentinel counts cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux
you" between the slow steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do
bottle but only sipping a cup of unkindness. It is sad but the
sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Solder keeps going. He does
not know why and that is the tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the
Tomb of the Unknown Solder leaving only the red light of fire in
the eyes of the muttering sentinel. Those glow in the dark like
LED pilot lights. Hatred lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.