wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

Christy said that the longer the reply, the more likely it is that the
original opinion was correct.

"Christy," singing like a New Minstrel, might belong to that
irritated group that gets tired tracing out more than 50
words with their finger... :-)

Who's to say?

Len has long replies. Sometimes really, really long replies. Do you
want to argue that, too?

The Avenging Angle of Dearth will ARGUE-FIGHT-INSULT anything
I write in here. :-)



I tire of Steve's incessant lying. I tire of his peers always giving
him a pass on his tirades. They're all a pretty useless assembly of
Extras.

From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51

wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

Christy said that the longer the reply, the more likely it is that the
original opinion was correct.

"Christy," singing like a New Minstrel, might belong to that
irritated group that gets tired tracing out more than 50
words with their finger... :-)

Who's to say?

I know...:-) But, we have the solitary tomb sentinel busy
"guarding" the territory for ANY opinions other than his own.

We are stuck with the Avenging Angle of Dearth. Ho hum.

Eventually the "pop" will be an artery and he will become
the usual vegetable garden typical to stroke victims. We
will be able to see that while we are still alive. :-)

That is going to put a damper on his Class A behavior and
incessant machismo attitude of always "being right" (in his
own mind). His stress is building. Tsk.

Len has long replies. Sometimes really, really long replies. Do you
want to argue that, too?

The Avenging Angle of Dearth will ARGUE-FIGHT-INSULT anything
I write in here. :-)

I tire of Steve's incessant lying. I tire of his peers always giving
him a pass on his tirades. They're all a pretty useless assembly of
Extras.

Understand fully. They aren't ever going to be role models
of anything they way they act and posture in here.

Many years ago at a division of a national corporation there
was a long-time Amateur Extra near retirement age. He was a
good sort, knew his stuff, never tried to put his hobby into
the forefront as a Lifestyle. He also had a mischevious
sense of humor and was quite tolerant of younger staff getting
way too overworked over their hobby discussions. When he
found a couple of radio amateurs engaged in a heated argument
he would listen a minute or so, then casually interrupt with
"Say, did you know that ham is the butchered meat of swine?"

The arguers would be momentarily stunned. He would grin
slightly and amble away, the grin growing. He had the right
balance of priorities. He retired and showed up at some L.A.
Council meetings since. Lost track of him. I've never
forgotten that (correct) statement he made more than once.
:-)

wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51

wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

Christy said that the longer the reply, the more likely it is that the
original opinion was correct.

"Christy," singing like a New Minstrel, might belong to that
irritated group that gets tired tracing out more than 50
words with their finger... :-)

Who's to say?

I know...:-) But, we have the solitary tomb sentinel busy
"guarding" the territory for ANY opinions other than his own.

We are stuck with the Avenging Angle of Dearth. Ho hum.

Eventually the "pop" will be an artery and he will become
the usual vegetable garden typical to stroke victims. We
will be able to see that while we are still alive. :-)

That is going to put a damper on his Class A behavior and
incessant machismo attitude of always "being right" (in his
own mind). His stress is building. Tsk.

Notice how the coward won't explain what he meant by "Lessee...430." I
need to start tabulating the dodges like the time I kept track of his
new lies for three weeks.

Len has long replies. Sometimes really, really long replies. Do you
want to argue that, too?

The Avenging Angle of Dearth will ARGUE-FIGHT-INSULT anything
I write in here. :-)

I tire of Steve's incessant lying. I tire of his peers always giving
him a pass on his tirades. They're all a pretty useless assembly of
Extras.

Understand fully. They aren't ever going to be role models
of anything they way they act and posture in here.

Steven J. Robeson has soiled his father's name.

Many years ago at a division of a national corporation there
was a long-time Amateur Extra near retirement age. He was a
good sort, knew his stuff, never tried to put his hobby into
the forefront as a Lifestyle. He also had a mischevious
sense of humor and was quite tolerant of younger staff getting
way too overworked over their hobby discussions. When he
found a couple of radio amateurs engaged in a heated argument
he would listen a minute or so, then casually interrupt with
"Say, did you know that ham is the butchered meat of swine?"

The arguers would be momentarily stunned. He would grin
slightly and amble away, the grin growing. He had the right
balance of priorities. He retired and showed up at some L.A.
Council meetings since. Lost track of him. I've never
forgotten that (correct) statement he made more than once.
:-)



Careful, now. You might upset the mighty machismo morsemen, especially
"Jimmy the Riveter."

bb wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51

wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

Christy said that the longer the reply, the more likely it is that the
original opinion was correct.

"Christy," singing like a New Minstrel, might belong to that
irritated group that gets tired tracing out more than 50
words with their finger... :-)

Who's to say?

I know...:-) But, we have the solitary tomb sentinel busy
"guarding" the territory for ANY opinions other than his own.

We are stuck with the Avenging Angle of Dearth. Ho hum.

Eventually the "pop" will be an artery and he will become
the usual vegetable garden typical to stroke victims. We
will be able to see that while we are still alive. :-)

That is going to put a damper on his Class A behavior and
incessant machismo attitude of always "being right" (in his
own mind). His stress is building. Tsk.

Notice how the coward won't explain what he meant by "Lessee...430." I
need to start tabulating the dodges like the time I kept track of his
new lies for three weeks.

None of those added up to "1". You claimed there were lies
present, but never substantiated a single claim.

So start in on this if you'd care to...It will just keep you from
bothering others.

Len has long replies. Sometimes really, really long replies. Do you
want to argue that, too?

The Avenging Angle of Dearth will ARGUE-FIGHT-INSULT anything
I write in here. :-)

I tire of Steve's incessant lying. I tire of his peers always giving
him a pass on his tirades. They're all a pretty useless assembly of
Extras.

Understand fully. They aren't ever going to be role models
of anything they way they act and posture in here.

Steven J. Robeson has soiled his father's name.

No, I've not.

However YOU have a lot of explaining to do to your Son and Spouse.


Documented. Archived.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 05:54


wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51

wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

I know...:-) But, we have the solitary tomb sentinel busy
"guarding" the territory for ANY opinions other than his own.

We are stuck with the Avenging Angle of Dearth. Ho hum.

Eventually the "pop" will be an artery and he will become
the usual vegetable garden typical to stroke victims. We
will be able to see that while we are still alive. :-)

That is going to put a damper on his Class A behavior and
incessant machismo attitude of always "being right" (in his
own mind). His stress is building. Tsk.

Notice how the coward won't explain what he meant by "Lessee...430." I
need to start tabulating the dodges like the time I kept track of his
new lies for three weeks.

Well, don't expect him to change any time soon. He's tried
the same thing with me (10048 being my house number) except
that my entire mailing address has been printed in HR in
every article (common procedure in amateur radio periodicals).

The solitary tomb sentinel has an ugly habit of bullying
others to "gain supremacy" or something similar. He can do
so in relative "safety" from the time-distance isolation of
this medium. Bullies take advantage of that "protection"
(and usually act a lot "tougher") but all it shows is ordinary
cowardice.


I tire of Steve's incessant lying. I tire of his peers always giving
him a pass on his tirades. They're all a pretty useless assembly of
Extras.

Understand fully. They aren't ever going to be role models
of anything they way they act and posture in here.

Steven J. Robeson has soiled his father's name.

Yes, and probably soiled his pants on encountering some who
don't feel threatened by his bullying machismo. :-)

way too overworked over their hobby discussions. When he
found a couple of radio amateurs engaged in a heated argument
he would listen a minute or so, then casually interrupt with
"Say, did you know that ham is the butchered meat of swine?"

The arguers would be momentarily stunned. He would grin
slightly and amble away, the grin growing. He had the right

Careful, now. You might upset the mighty machismo morsemen, especially
"Jimmy the Riveter."

Heh heh heh. I'm not worried about Jimmie. He gets upset so
easily, thinks I am "calling him names."

Tsk, tsk. I've called him all sorts of names: James, Jim,
Jimmy, Jimmie, James Miccolis, and just Miccolis. He feels
so "insulted" now about being called all those NAMES that he
just wastes everyone's time.

Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT! :-)

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 05:54


wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51

wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:

I know...:-) But, we have the solitary tomb sentinel busy
"guarding" the territory for ANY opinions other than his own.

We are stuck with the Avenging Angle of Dearth. Ho hum.

Eventually the "pop" will be an artery and he will become
the usual vegetable garden typical to stroke victims. We
will be able to see that while we are still alive. :-)

That is going to put a damper on his Class A behavior and
incessant machismo attitude of always "being right" (in his
own mind). His stress is building. Tsk.

Notice how the coward won't explain what he meant by "Lessee...430." I
need to start tabulating the dodges like the time I kept track of his
new lies for three weeks.

Well, don't expect him to change any time soon. He's tried
the same thing with me (10048 being my house number) except
that my entire mailing address has been printed in HR in
every article (common procedure in amateur radio periodicals).

The solitary tomb sentinel has an ugly habit of bullying
others to "gain supremacy" or something similar. He can do
so in relative "safety" from the time-distance isolation of
this medium. Bullies take advantage of that "protection"
(and usually act a lot "tougher") but all it shows is ordinary
cowardice.


I tire of Steve's incessant lying. I tire of his peers always giving
him a pass on his tirades. They're all a pretty useless assembly of
Extras.

Understand fully. They aren't ever going to be role models
of anything they way they act and posture in here.

Steven J. Robeson has soiled his father's name.

Yes, and probably soiled his pants on encountering some who
don't feel threatened by his bullying machismo. :-)

way too overworked over their hobby discussions. When he
found a couple of radio amateurs engaged in a heated argument
he would listen a minute or so, then casually interrupt with
"Say, did you know that ham is the butchered meat of swine?"

The arguers would be momentarily stunned. He would grin
slightly and amble away, the grin growing. He had the right

Careful, now. You might upset the mighty machismo morsemen, especially
"Jimmy the Riveter."

Heh heh heh. I'm not worried about Jimmie. He gets upset so
easily, thinks I am "calling him names."

Tsk, tsk. I've called him all sorts of names: James, Jim,
Jimmy, Jimmie, James Miccolis, and just Miccolis. He feels
so "insulted" now about being called all those NAMES that he
just wastes everyone's time.

Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT! :-)



These are certainly not the good people that I first met when I became
a ham. The trouble with amateur radio started with the advent of the
no-code license. People began entering the service that did not
worship at the altar of St. Hiram, and did not kneel and kisst the feet
of Extras.

bb wrote:
wrote:

Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT!

Perhaps, Lennie, if certain mischevious scumbags weren't
looking to "bruise" people there wouldn't be such a propensity to be as defensive.

Such as the deceitful and misleading barbs YOU disseminate in this
forum.

Guess you now think it's wrong for one to defend one's self?

These are certainly not the good people that I first met when I became
a ham. The trouble with amateur radio started with the advent of the
no-code license. People began entering the service that did not
worship at the altar of St. Hiram, and did not kneel and kisst the feet
of Extras.

The problem didn't start with the No Code test...It started almost
20 years before that with the influx of 11 meter operators via the Bash
Book route and the subsequent codification of the "open pools".

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT!

Perhaps, Lennie, if certain mischevious scumbags weren't
looking to "bruise" people there wouldn't be such a propensity to be as defensive.

Such as the deceitful and misleading barbs YOU disseminate in this
forum.

Guess you now think it's wrong for one to defend one's self?

No one except Ghandi thinks that. But you make every posting as if it
were a personal attack to your very being and your way of life. You
made yourself a target, an easy target, by being such an idiot about
everything. Lighten up.

These are certainly not the good people that I first met when I became
a ham. The trouble with amateur radio started with the advent of the
no-code license. People began entering the service that did not
worship at the altar of St. Hiram, and did not kneel and kisst the feet
of Extras.

The problem didn't start with the No Code test...It started almost
20 years before that with the influx of 11 meter operators via the Bash
Book route and the subsequent codification of the "open pools".

Ah, yes, the "Riff-Raff" theory. Almost 20 years ago I used the ARRL's
"Now You're Talking" and the ARRL's non-Farnsworth Code tapes to enter
the amateur radio service via "open pools" testing.

From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 17:22

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 05:54
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51
wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:


Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT! :-)

These are certainly not the good people that I first met when I became
a ham. The trouble with amateur radio started with the advent of the
no-code license. People began entering the service that did not
worship at the altar of St. Hiram, and did not kneel and kisst the feet
of Extras.

Well, from my point of view, the change started a lot earlier.

The movement to implement a no-code amateur license class
was already underway at least a decade prior to 1990. The
olde-tyme hammes "dismissed" such riff-raff haughtily,
tried to bruise no-coders' knuckles with code keys and
trumpeting like King Kong (complete with chest-beating) or
the disdain of a sneering (but clumsy) Basil Fawlty in a
(funny) English sit-com.

The Ham Lifestylers created themselves around the 60s when
there was left-over money to spend for fancy radio toys and
time to do "radio pioneering" in "DXpeditions" and the
self-styled "radiosport contests. They were the "Greatest"
according to the ham publications, sort of like radio
versions of Cassius Marcellus Clay after his name change.
[look at Clay/Ali now...]

"Radio" in itself can be very fascinating in and of itself.
But, "radio" is really just one form of electronics and
cannot, nor should not, be rooted/shielded/isolated into the
old analog ways nor communications modes of six decades past.

One problem, quite evident in here, is the Lifestylers trying
to force everyone into THEIR way of thinking/doing as if that
were the "voice of the amateur community." There is NO real
voice, not even in the mighty national membership organization
of hams that "represents" (according to them) only 1 out of 5
U.S. amateur licensees. It is THEIR little clubhouse and they
are supremely, arrogantly intolerant of those who do not
acknowledge THEM as the "masters." Their feet MUST be kissed
and all MUST respect them...they keep telling others that in
so many different ways. THEY are "superior."

What is worse for the HOBBY is the attitudes of the Lifestylers
is clearly evident to all those outsiders who greatly out-
number them. The Lifestylers fear their Way of Life is
Threatened by "mere hobbyists" and that fear makes them blind
to their own actions and attitudes. They remain resolute and
arrogant, elitist in their self-styled "superiority" and
cannot recognize THEY are the greatest danger to the hobby.

wrote in message
ps.com...
From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 17:22

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sat 4 Jun 2005 05:54
wrote:
From: "bb" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 03:51
wrote:
From: bb on Jun 2, 6:27 pm
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:


Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT! :-)

These are certainly not the good people that I first met when I became
a ham. The trouble with amateur radio started with the advent of the
no-code license. People began entering the service that did not
worship at the altar of St. Hiram, and did not kneel and kisst the feet
of Extras.

Well, from my point of view, the change started a lot earlier.

The movement to implement a no-code amateur license class
was already underway at least a decade prior to 1990. The
olde-tyme hammes "dismissed" such riff-raff haughtily,
tried to bruise no-coders' knuckles with code keys and
trumpeting like King Kong (complete with chest-beating) or
the disdain of a sneering (but clumsy) Basil Fawlty in a
(funny) English sit-com.

The Ham Lifestylers created themselves around the 60s when
there was left-over money to spend for fancy radio toys and
time to do "radio pioneering" in "DXpeditions" and the
self-styled "radiosport contests. They were the "Greatest"
according to the ham publications, sort of like radio
versions of Cassius Marcellus Clay after his name change.
[look at Clay/Ali now...]

"Radio" in itself can be very fascinating in and of itself.
But, "radio" is really just one form of electronics and
cannot, nor should not, be rooted/shielded/isolated into the
old analog ways nor communications modes of six decades past.

One problem, quite evident in here, is the Lifestylers trying
to force everyone into THEIR way of thinking/doing as if that
were the "voice of the amateur community." There is NO real
voice, not even in the mighty national membership organization
of hams that "represents" (according to them) only 1 out of 5
U.S. amateur licensees. It is THEIR little clubhouse and they
are supremely, arrogantly intolerant of those who do not
acknowledge THEM as the "masters." Their feet MUST be kissed
and all MUST respect them...they keep telling others that in
so many different ways. THEY are "superior."

What is worse for the HOBBY is the attitudes of the Lifestylers
is clearly evident to all those outsiders who greatly out-
number them. The Lifestylers fear their Way of Life is
Threatened by "mere hobbyists" and that fear makes them blind
to their own actions and attitudes. They remain resolute and
arrogant, elitist in their self-styled "superiority" and
cannot recognize THEY are the greatest danger to the hobby.





Len. Question.

What is your callsign?