"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful
hams...

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and
modem...

John


Hello, John

There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster than a
lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor am I
talking a leisurely 30 words per minute.

Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college grads
tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs, I'm
sure. Enron and the like).

I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85 watts.
That might prove interesting.

All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to
mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is the
best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and receive
cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why worry?
It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all would
agree.

May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly?


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to
a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a
"code reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I
thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants
and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful
hams...

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone
and
modem...

John


Hello, John

There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster
than a
lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor
am I
talking a leisurely 30 words per minute.

Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college
grads
tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs,
I'm
sure. Enron and the like).

I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85
watts.
That might prove interesting.

All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to
mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is
the
best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and
receive
cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why
worry?
It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all
would
agree.

May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly?


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

A keyboard and a morse reader.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a
"electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code
reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought
all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful
hams...

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and
modem...

John


Hello, John

There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster than
a
lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor am
I
talking a leisurely 30 words per minute.

Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college grads
tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs,
I'm
sure. Enron and the like).

I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85 watts.
That might prove interesting.

All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to
mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is the
best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and
receive
cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why worry?
It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all would
agree.

May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly?


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

.... yep, and look at key men as I do musicians, they are ok, but don't
wanna be one...

John

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
A keyboard and a morse reader.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked
to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as
a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I
thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their
rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful
hams...

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get
the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on
phone and
modem...

John


Hello, John

There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster
than a
lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here,
nor am I
talking a leisurely 30 words per minute.

Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college
grads
tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future
CEOs, I'm
sure. Enron and the like).

I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85
watts.
That might prove interesting.

All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes
to
mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it
is the
best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and
receive
cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why
worry?
It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all
would
agree.

May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly?


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a
"electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code
reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought
all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John

When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am can
beat a "code reader" sound card/computer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

.... actually, the only thing I have found that I can't allow for is
someone's sloppy key (you must decide what range of microseconds is a
dit, and what is the dah-- I have been kicking around the idea of a
piece of code to "sample" the senders "style" and automatically
adjust--but that is for tomorrow--and would be great if the code could
automatically duplicate his "sloppy style" and feed it back to him
grin) but then--sloppy key is no easier to copy with ear then by
reader...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked
to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as
a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I
thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John

When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am
can beat a "code reader" sound card/computer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... actually, the only thing I have found that I can't allow for is
someone's sloppy key (you must decide what range of microseconds is a dit,
and what is the dah-- I have been kicking around the idea of a piece of
code to "sample" the senders "style" and automatically adjust--but that is
for tomorrow--and would be great if the code could automatically duplicate
his "sloppy style" and feed it back to him grin) but then--sloppy key
is no easier to copy with ear then by reader...

John


Depends on how you define easier. The ear can copy code so sloppy that no
computer/soundcard/software would ever decipher it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to
a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a
"code reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I
thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John

When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am can
beat a "code reader" sound card/computer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I am betting just the opposite, and I bet the code reader can copy at a
speed long after the human reader is all done...

one advantage, in microseconds the code reader can guess at the
likelihood of what character the dot/dash sequence is in logical
relation to forward and reverse characters (whenever there is a slight
doubt)... the human reader would just be sitting there losing
characters...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... actually, the only thing I have found that I can't allow for is
someone's sloppy key (you must decide what range of microseconds is a
dit, and what is the dah-- I have been kicking around the idea of a
piece of code to "sample" the senders "style" and automatically
adjust--but that is for tomorrow--and would be great if the code
could automatically duplicate his "sloppy style" and feed it back to
him grin) but then--sloppy key is no easier to copy with ear then
by reader...

John


Depends on how you define easier. The ear can copy code so sloppy
that no computer/soundcard/software would ever decipher it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard,
hooked to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card
doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I
thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John

When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I
am can beat a "code reader" sound card/computer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I am betting just the opposite, and I bet the code reader can copy at a
speed long after the human reader is all done...


Speed is a different issue than sloppy sending.

one advantage, in microseconds the code reader can guess at the likelihood
of what character the dot/dash sequence is in logical relation to forward
and reverse characters (whenever there is a slight doubt)... the human
reader would just be sitting there losing characters...

No the human brain does the same type of "fill" once they get past the point
of having to copy every single letter manually. Even if they do have to
copy manually as I do, it's easy to fill in the missing letters most of the
time. Of course you have to train yourself not to dwell on what was missed,
a common beginner problem.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

The human ear, brain, hand combo does that now.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... actually, the only thing I have found that I can't allow for is
someone's sloppy key (you must decide what range of microseconds is a dit,
and what is the dah-- I have been kicking around the idea of a piece of
code to "sample" the senders "style" and automatically adjust--but that is
for tomorrow--and would be great if the code could automatically duplicate
his "sloppy style" and feed it back to him grin) but then--sloppy key
is no easier to copy with ear then by reader...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to
a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a
"code reader" and producing text on screen from cw...
You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I
thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek

Warmest regards,
John

When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am can
beat a "code reader" sound card/computer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE