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Haynie admits to problem, alzheimers victims respond with, "What problem?"
You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times
must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
John Smith wrote: You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Sounds like he's been talking to Len. Refreshing. |
From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm
You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-) They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing only what they want to believe. As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members. That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from QST advertising webpage] Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence in the percentage of League membership. :-) [we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their rage against those who defile 'their' organization...] |
Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers
are in good and technical company... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-) They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing only what they want to believe. As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members. That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from QST advertising webpage] Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence in the percentage of League membership. :-) [we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their rage against those who defile 'their' organization...] |
Bet the pilots among them know Morse.
Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers are in good and technical company... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-) They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing only what they want to believe. As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members. That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from QST advertising webpage] Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence in the percentage of League membership. :-) [we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their rage against those who defile 'their' organization...] |
John Smith wrote:
Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... And yet you can't even manage that. |
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... Bet the pilots among them know Morse. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers are in good and technical company... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-) They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing only what they want to believe. As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members. That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from QST advertising webpage] Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence in the percentage of League membership. :-) [we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their rage against those who defile 'their' organization...] |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Not so. I've worked several licensees in the CW November Sweeps who gave their year of license as 2000 and AFTER. I currently know several people who have passed their 5wpm so they never have to take the test again but continue to work diligently to get up to both conversational and contest speeds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
.... as always, there will be exceptions to ANY rule... I think both
Haynie and I would be surprised if this becomes anywhere near a "remarkable" number... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Not so. I've worked several licensees in the CW November Sweeps who gave their year of license as 2000 and AFTER. I currently know several people who have passed their 5wpm so they never have to take the test again but continue to work diligently to get up to both conversational and contest speeds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Dammit Len, your reading comprehension really is badly deteriorated. See a specialist quickly. What Haynie said was that the survey revealed that "more than one-fifth of new amateur licensees never get on the air." dit dit de Hans, K0HB -- http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb |
Yes, that is correct... and probaby only 1/5 of THOSE 4/5 will bother
with the ARRL... John "KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... wrote Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Dammit Len, your reading comprehension really is badly deteriorated. See a specialist quickly. What Haynie said was that the survey revealed that "more than one-fifth of new amateur licensees never get on the air." dit dit de Hans, K0HB -- http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb |
John Smith wrote:
Probably the least thing I have done in life is to get a ham license... except for a few locals on 10 meters here, there is little left for me... well, the aussies and brits still have some interesting folks to chat with... John Then why don't you turn in your license, get out of ham radio and then there will be one less 'old fart' that you despise so much killing off ham radio. |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Hello, John There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor am I talking a leisurely 30 words per minute. Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college grads tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs, I'm sure. Enron and the like). I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85 watts. That might prove interesting. All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is the best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why worry? It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all would agree. May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly? ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
From: "John Smith" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 17:21
Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers are in good and technical company... Not "all." :-) Having a Tech license is part of their JOB. The JOB is basically PR work, keeping civilians feeling good about NASA (which needs all the public support it can get). Astronauts have all the NASA comms they need, don't need any ham bands via HTs to do their primary mission. :-) |
I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to
a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw... You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Hello, John There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor am I talking a leisurely 30 words per minute. Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college grads tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs, I'm sure. Enron and the like). I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85 watts. That might prove interesting. All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is the best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why worry? It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all would agree. May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly? ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
From: bb on Jun 8, 7:33 pm
John Smith wrote: You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Sounds like he's been talking to Len. Refreshing. Sorry, the last time Jim Haynie and I "talked" (via e-mail) was over three years ago. Haynie struck up the convo then, not me. |
From: John Smith on Jun 8, 10:16 pm
Yes, that is correct... and probaby only 1/5 of THOSE 4/5 will bother with the ARRL... John John, Hans just doesn't understand. When he gets like that he is extremely touchy-grouchy. Regardless, the League still doesn't have but about 1 out of every 5 U.S. amateur radio licensees as members. The League can't seem to "raise" that much. A couple years ago they got to about 23%, then it fell off. "K0HB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Dammit Len, your reading comprehension really is badly deteriorated. See a specialist quickly. Tsk, tsk, master super chief of all. Didn't you notice a little QUESTION MARK I put at the end of my sentence? You quoted it and STILL didn't see it! YOUR problem, not mine. Read it again and RECOGNIZE the punctuation. Sigh. What Haynie said was that the survey revealed that "more than one-fifth of new amateur licensees never get on the air." Go uncork a fifth and go for stupor-ville, mighty super master chief. You will feel better...but not in the morning. Good luck on this one, now... |
John Smith wrote:
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... "Vital and youthful hams", "old men", "rants"--I'm writing you off as just another troll, "John". Dave K8MN |
Well, I will be there standing beside Haynie!!!
John "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... John Smith wrote: Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... "Vital and youthful hams", "old men", "rants"--I'm writing you off as just another troll, "John". Dave K8MN |
Probably the least thing I have done in life is to get a ham license...
except for a few locals on 10 meters here, there is little left for me... well, the aussies and brits still have some interesting folks to chat with... John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... And yet you can't even manage that. |
Well, I didn't come here to make any friends, they bother me not... I
don't think we need be standing on pomp and circumstance in these times... My skin is about as thick as ones can get, and I darn well know how to call a spade a spade--still deal with jr college kids two nights a week... these old guys aren't anything next to them... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 8, 10:16 pm Yes, that is correct... and probaby only 1/5 of THOSE 4/5 will bother with the ARRL... John John, Hans just doesn't understand. When he gets like that he is extremely touchy-grouchy. Regardless, the League still doesn't have but about 1 out of every 5 U.S. amateur radio licensees as members. The League can't seem to "raise" that much. A couple years ago they got to about 23%, then it fell off. "K0HB" wrote in message link.net... wrote Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Dammit Len, your reading comprehension really is badly deteriorated. See a specialist quickly. Tsk, tsk, master super chief of all. Didn't you notice a little QUESTION MARK I put at the end of my sentence? You quoted it and STILL didn't see it! YOUR problem, not mine. Read it again and RECOGNIZE the punctuation. Sigh. What Haynie said was that the survey revealed that "more than one-fifth of new amateur licensees never get on the air." Go uncork a fifth and go for stupor-ville, mighty super master chief. You will feel better...but not in the morning. Good luck on this one, now... |
You are just a nasty tempered old man which knows some cheap tricks and
sits here attacking peoples character while denying all but which you want to hear... If you want to argue do it openly and honestly do so without worry, my skin is thick--if all you want to do is make cheap personal attacks on personalities you just consume time.... John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Probably the least thing I have done in life is to get a ham license... except for a few locals on 10 meters here, there is little left for me... well, the aussies and brits still have some interesting folks to chat with... John Then why don't you turn in your license, get out of ham radio and then there will be one less 'old fart' that you despise so much killing off ham radio. |
John Smith wrote:
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... ? I've heard a lot of that on phone, but very little on CW. The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... That is true to a fair extent. My own personal assessment of Haynie's talk is that he is correct to a large extent. The olde questions were not harder, they were different. Someone posed a couple of likely candidate old time q's to me, and it took me just a few minutes to find the answers. I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks like me is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get incredibly worked up about almost nothing, forecasting doom from inconsequential things. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Michael:
Good point, never hurts to "boil the blood" a bit though, long as in the end hands can be shook and everyone walks away a bit wiser... The old hams have valuable info and history, I would never even be such a fool as to debate that--however, this ship needs a younger captain... Warmest regards, John "Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... ? I've heard a lot of that on phone, but very little on CW. The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... That is true to a fair extent. My own personal assessment of Haynie's talk is that he is correct to a large extent. The olde questions were not harder, they were different. Someone posed a couple of likely candidate old time q's to me, and it took me just a few minutes to find the answers. I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks like me is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get incredibly worked up about almost nothing, forecasting doom from inconsequential things. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
And your speed is what "John Smith". What makes you qualified to even comment on this? Do you operate on CW? Save you the time. Your a big mouth know nothing about the subject. Damn...it may be Lennie. Dan/W4NTI He's a cber, couldn't copy code if his life depended upon it. |
"Michael Coslo" wrote I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks like me is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get incredibly worked up about almost nothing, forecasting doom from inconsequential things. ~~~ Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. ~~~ Bokonon |
From: "John Smith" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 22:07
Well, I didn't come here to make any friends, they bother me not... I don't think we need be standing on pomp and circumstance in these times... Understood and agree with you. But, to most in here, there IS a "pomp and circumstance" going on in their imaginations. Mostly stuffed in there by dilligent and effective brainwashing of the big publishing house in Newington. "Amateur radio is a SERVICE" crow some. Their imaginations conjur up a military service with rigid rules/regulations which MUST be adhered to at all times. All SHALL march to the same drum-beat. Everyone MUST think alike. Dumb for a hobby activity which is supposed to be fun, a recreation. My skin is about as thick as ones can get, and I darn well know how to call a spade a spade--still deal with jr college kids two nights a week... these old guys aren't anything next to them... Heh heh heh. After 20 1/2 years of doing computer-modem communications, I've got armor plate for skin as well. Being a co-sysop on a BBS was an interesting experience, that of seeing both the private and public text "life' of some participants. More like a lab class in advanced clinical psychology. Morbidly fascinating. The main theme of most "regulars" in here (mental olde-fahrts all) is SELF-IMPORTANCE. Further, each one is ALWAYS RIGHT. None may be corrected for that is an outrageous "insult" on their very being...and that calls for Flame War! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! [gotta love it sometimes...:-) ] If they don't have anything specific to FIGHT about, some will MANUFACTURE things in order to misdirect "blame" from them to the challenger. See this Stebie-manufactured "Motorola didn't exist in WW2" thread. Has NOTHING to do with amateur radio but he deems it "necessary" in order to "prove" his "enemy" is "wrong." :-) Never mind that the MOTOROLA logo and brand name identity was known to the public prior to WW2, the deluded one has to show the "total wrongness" of one in a previous statement! Never mind that the existance consisted of some legal statements and a lot of corporate letter heads being changed in Chicago..."Motorola did not exist prior to 1947!" Terrible "wrongness." :-) The silliness of some of those statements of accusation is marvelous to behold. That human beans get so wrought up in damnation of others is fascinating. Transparent to any sane person reading all this. So is that "No kids, lids, or space cadets" supposedly remarked by an old ham once. :-) Some of the denizens of this din of inequity are just nuts. |
Oh really? Then how do we explain the young contesters out there? Or the
many QSOs I have with hams on CW in their 20s and 30s? And I don't operate at 5wpm. Neither do they...think maybe they picked up some speed, eh? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... Bet the pilots among them know Morse. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers are in good and technical company... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-) They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing only what they want to believe. As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members. That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from QST advertising webpage] Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence in the percentage of League membership. :-) [we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their rage against those who defile 'their' organization...] |
And your speed is what "John Smith". What makes you qualified to even
comment on this? Do you operate on CW? Save you the time. Your a big mouth know nothing about the subject. Damn...it may be Lennie. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... as always, there will be exceptions to ANY rule... I think both Haynie and I would be surprised if this becomes anywhere near a "remarkable" number... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Not so. I've worked several licensees in the CW November Sweeps who gave their year of license as 2000 and AFTER. I currently know several people who have passed their 5wpm so they never have to take the test again but continue to work diligently to get up to both conversational and contest speeds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
A keyboard and a morse reader.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!
Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw... You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Hello, John There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor am I talking a leisurely 30 words per minute. Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college grads tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs, I'm sure. Enron and the like). I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85 watts. That might prove interesting. All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is the best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why worry? It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all would agree. May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly? ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
I learned code to get my license, never since--I live what I claim is
fact... .... if I do code it is though an automatic key and keyboard and cw-to-text reader, all of my own design and construction... being a software engineer I really enjoy hardware projects, experimentation and antenna construction--I never get to get my hands dirty in the "real world." John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... And your speed is what "John Smith". What makes you qualified to even comment on this? Do you operate on CW? Save you the time. Your a big mouth know nothing about the subject. Damn...it may be Lennie. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... as always, there will be exceptions to ANY rule... I think both Haynie and I would be surprised if this becomes anywhere near a "remarkable" number... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Not so. I've worked several licensees in the CW November Sweeps who gave their year of license as 2000 and AFTER. I currently know several people who have passed their 5wpm so they never have to take the test again but continue to work diligently to get up to both conversational and contest speeds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
.... I think anyone not agreeing with you is a "chicken bander" and
"troll", now surely you must agree! John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: And your speed is what "John Smith". What makes you qualified to even comment on this? Do you operate on CW? Save you the time. Your a big mouth know nothing about the subject. Damn...it may be Lennie. Dan/W4NTI He's a cber, couldn't copy code if his life depended upon it. |
.... yep, and look at key men as I do musicians, they are ok, but don't
wanna be one... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... A keyboard and a morse reader.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!! Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw... You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John Hello, John There are more than a few folks that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. I am not talking 20 words per minute here, nor am I talking a leisurely 30 words per minute. Of course, cut and paste doesn't count (and I've had a few college grads tell me that is how they did some of "their" papers LOL. Future CEOs, I'm sure. Enron and the like). I'd be interested in an SSB contact on 24 GHz via moonbounce. 85 watts. That might prove interesting. All said and done, there are modes that can do it better (PSK comes to mind) - but most won't and cw is one that can. It doesn't mean it is the best, but ... again ... there are a number of ops that can send and receive cw faster than a lot of folks can type. And if some enjoy it, why worry? It is like arguing that country-western music is terrible. Not all would agree. May I assume that you cut and paste very quickly? ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
.... I think when men are gone from the earth--you will find that written
on tombstone of the human race... John "KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... "Michael Coslo" wrote I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks like me is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get incredibly worked up about almost nothing, forecasting doom from inconsequential things. ~~~ Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. ~~~ Bokonon |
.... let's reset back to reality, there are fewer hams in the world--than
illegal aliens in the state of california (and about 41 million illegals in the nation)... a true minority... the number of new keys are simply not worth mentioning in comparison... hams must be THE smallest minority wanting special privileges for a damn hobby! ... if you haven't thought of it like that before--think of it now--not all are fools... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... Oh really? Then how do we explain the young contesters out there? Or the many QSOs I have with hams on CW in their 20s and 30s? And I don't operate at 5wpm. Neither do they...think maybe they picked up some speed, eh? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams... The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and modem... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... Bet the pilots among them know Morse. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers are in good and technical company... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these guys--times must be tough... http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1 John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-) They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing only what they want to believe. As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members. That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from QST advertising webpage] Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence in the percentage of League membership. :-) [we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their rage against those who defile 'their' organization...] |
"John Smith" wrote ... I think when men are gone from the earth--you will find that written on tombstone of the human race... No, I think we'll find: "Bergeron's epitaph for the planet, I remember, which he said should be carved in big letters in a wall of the Grand Canyon for the flying-saucer people to find, was this: WE COULD HAVE SAVED IT BUT WE WERE TOO DOGGONE CHEAP Only he didn't say 'doggone.'" -- Kurt Vonnegut in "Hocus Pocus" 73, de Hans, K0HB -- Come sit by the fire and warm your bones. Let's enjoy a warm bracing drink and a few tales. "The wind was picking up, clouds were rolling in, my hands were numb, nose was running, I had to pee, and I was thinking of heading for the dock when..." |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw... You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am can beat a "code reader" sound card/computer. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
.... actually, the only thing I have found that I can't allow for is
someone's sloppy key (you must decide what range of microseconds is a dit, and what is the dah-- I have been kicking around the idea of a piece of code to "sample" the senders "style" and automatically adjust--but that is for tomorrow--and would be great if the code could automatically duplicate his "sloppy style" and feed it back to him grin) but then--sloppy key is no easier to copy with ear then by reader... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw... You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am can beat a "code reader" sound card/computer. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... ... actually, the only thing I have found that I can't allow for is someone's sloppy key (you must decide what range of microseconds is a dit, and what is the dah-- I have been kicking around the idea of a piece of code to "sample" the senders "style" and automatically adjust--but that is for tomorrow--and would be great if the code could automatically duplicate his "sloppy style" and feed it back to him grin) but then--sloppy key is no easier to copy with ear then by reader... John Depends on how you define easier. The ear can copy code so sloppy that no computer/soundcard/software would ever decipher it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... I don't think there is a ham alive which can beat my keyboard, hooked to a "electronic key" and sending morse, nor my sound card doubling as a "code reader" and producing text on screen from cw... You mean to tell me people actually use "real keys" still--gawd, I thought all those sk tongue-in-cheek Warmest regards, John When conditions are poor, even some one as poor at morse code as I am can beat a "code reader" sound card/computer. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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