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How things are here...
At 52 I am one of the "young guys here." The "amateur hobby radio'ists"
here have managed to chase away most if not all--down to the very last REAL young guy away. They do this with personal attacks on those of differing opinions. They deny facts and figure. Like a bunch of shyster accountants they bend figures to attempt to argue for the status quo. Like a bunch of lawyers they attempt to bend the words of Haynie into an "Atta Boy", while in reality he chastises them for ill behavior and damaging the hobby. There are no young hams here for a darn good reason--few have a skin thick enough to have staying power. And then, you have those who just have better things to do.... These guys who have stagnated the hobby are attempting to maintain the status quo even as the hobby dips to low numbers, cannot achieve even minor new band allocations and are ineffective in even limiting BPL--broadband over powerline--simply because they have managed to put the amateur radio hobby so far on the back burner most have forgotten of its existence... and this they are quite happy with, clear bands so they can rag chew with buddies over rants and medical problems is what they really seek... If you are in your 30 and under you will have a hard time staying here--unless you like turning your nose brown... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
From: "John Smith" on Thurs 9 Jun 2005 07:10
At 52 I am one of the "young guys here." The "amateur hobby radio'ists" here have managed to chase away most if not all--down to the very last REAL young guy away. John, all of the mighty amateur warriors in here are "young." They haven't aged a bit since they got their first ham licenses as teen agers. Neither has their comportment...still frozen in adolescence. :-) This newsgroup IS "The Twilight Zone," needing no "signpost up ahead" to tell where anyone is...only Rod Serling is "SK." They do this with personal attacks on those of differing opinions. They deny facts and figure. Like a bunch of shyster accountants they bend figures to attempt to argue for the status quo. Status quo kept status quo. Time be frozen in their adolescence. THEY rule. None may say nay to their mighty (teen-age) words. THEY formulate new laws of physics, mathematics, statistics, bend truth like an ultimate elastomer at breaking point, say that is "truth." Like a bunch of lawyers they attempt to bend the words of Haynie into an "Atta Boy", while in reality he chastises them for ill behavior and damaging the hobby. Haynie was "democratically elected" by ruling majority of "representative of all hams." So sayeth the League. Ergo, by THEIR rules, they defile themselves by talking against the words of their "elected representative." Hypocritical criticism by these mighty radiomen. There are no young hams here for a darn good reason--few have a skin thick enough to have staying power. And then, you have those who just have better things to do.... Quite true, but some of these mighty (radio) warriors have skins so thin it rivals the thickness of a microtome's finest slice. They experience mighty emotional PAIN and STRIKE OUT in anguish. So many strikes they have been "out" for decades. THEY cannot comprehend the modern world nor reality so they defile it, denigrate it, damn all who point it out to them. THEY rule. All shall bend to THEM. These guys who have stagnated the hobby are attempting to maintain the status quo even as the hobby dips to low numbers, cannot achieve even minor new band allocations and are ineffective in even limiting BPL--broadband over powerline--simply because they have managed to put the amateur radio hobby so far on the back burner most have forgotten of its existence... and this they are quite happy with, clear bands so they can rag chew with buddies over rants and medical problems is what they really seek... John, THEY RULE. THEY exercise "judgement" on all who do not heed their god-like edicts. When challenged they retreat into their edict bunkers and compose songs and sagas of their "those were the days" when they were (supposedly) young. The League once had Archie comics. Fitting. In one (strange) way, it is entertainment...TV re-runs on a second-rate cable channel playing sit-coms of decades ago. The Land Where Time Was Lost. Where some of THEM still live in their heads. THEY quo about their status like aging banty roosters. The hens got tired of them some time ago, some leaving for better, saner "nests." Their barnyard is now emptier and they feel free to strut and posture...which they do in parades of pomp and patriotic phrases (like pharisees) over their greatness. Never mind their limping struts nor the molting feathers and scratchy, cackling words of admonition...they are ageless, immortal, secure in their "judgement" that only THEY are "right." If you are in your 30 and under you will have a hard time staying here--unless you like turning your nose brown... THEY cannot understand that and their feathers ruffle in outrage that they are not believed. THEY "judge" and that is that. All must to THEIR bidding, heed their guru words of yesteryear despite the crackling of their cackling like so much QRM. They are captains of their ship sinking slowly in the river called denial. Warmest regards, John And the same to you, Johm. Mind the fallen molts and the absolute **** in this barnyard left by the strutting but limping banty roosters. The FDA has no ratings for these hams. Squawk 77, Mayday! retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person |
geesh, alzheimers is already hitting me, having been born in 1949 I am
55--and I accuse women of lying about their age--I am getting old... birthdays come too quickly, another before this years end, guess I would secretly like to remain 52... frown I know nothing of flying except how to board a plane (probably don't even do that correctly...) .... as I have said, has nothing to do with the death of amateur radio or the dangers it faces... John "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: From: "John Smith" on Thurs 9 Jun 2005 07:10 At 52 I am one of the "young guys here." The "amateur hobby radio'ists" here have managed to chase away most if not all--down to the very last REAL young guy away. John, all of the mighty amateur warriors in here are "young." They haven't aged a bit since they got their first ham licenses as teen agers. Neither has their comportment...still frozen in adolescence. Some of us just refuse to be assinine crumudgeons like Lennie. Big snip to bottom...I think Lennie and John will be fast friends. Squawk 77, Mayday! There haven't been any 64 code transponders in service since 1970, Lennie. Of course you wouldn't know that because "aviator" is yet another thing you are "not" and have no practical experience in...Well...No experience since 1950-something, anyway... Sheesh...This just isn't your week, is it? retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person Thank-God. Steve, K4YZ |
From: "John Smith" on Fri 10 Jun 2005 07:54
geesh, alzheimers is already hitting me, having been born in 1949 I am 55--and I accuse women of lying about their age--I am getting old... birthdays come too quickly, another before this years end, guess I would secretly like to remain 52... frown Be nice to Stebie. Stebie say all old people DIE real soon. Stebie immortal, nebber die. Stebie wanna FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. Stebie fight death. All Stebie enemies DIE very soon. Stebie not die. He say so. Archived. Soon Stebie be Last Man on Earth. He sit alone in cabin, then get knock on door. [Stebie not read Isaac Asimov] I know nothing of flying except how to board a plane (probably don't even do that correctly...) Stebie ultra-superior gunnery sergeant pilot, be "Pilot in Command" of two-seater single-engine. Veddy important, have picture taken in flight suit, frowning, not show teeth again. Stebie air ace, make ace of self in TN CAP ready room, reading old PIREPs and NOTAMs. ... as I have said, has nothing to do with the death of amateur radio or the dangers it faces... Newsgroup all about Stebie and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT enemies. All enemies DIE. All enemies LIE. Only Stebie say truth. Hope Stebie see dentist very soon. Get tooth fixed, smile for first time in life. John "K4YZ" wrote in message |
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Len:
I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" .... Where do they get these guys from? Even though the younger generation is much more educated than just a few decades ago--dinosaurs still walking the earth is an amazing sight!!! grin Warmest regards, John wrote in message ups.com... From: "John Smith" on Fri 10 Jun 2005 07:54 geesh, alzheimers is already hitting me, having been born in 1949 I am 55--and I accuse women of lying about their age--I am getting old... birthdays come too quickly, another before this years end, guess I would secretly like to remain 52... frown Be nice to Stebie. Stebie say all old people DIE real soon. Stebie immortal, nebber die. Stebie wanna FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. Stebie fight death. All Stebie enemies DIE very soon. Stebie not die. He say so. Archived. Soon Stebie be Last Man on Earth. He sit alone in cabin, then get knock on door. [Stebie not read Isaac Asimov] I know nothing of flying except how to board a plane (probably don't even do that correctly...) Stebie ultra-superior gunnery sergeant pilot, be "Pilot in Command" of two-seater single-engine. Veddy important, have picture taken in flight suit, frowning, not show teeth again. Stebie air ace, make ace of self in TN CAP ready room, reading old PIREPs and NOTAMs. ... as I have said, has nothing to do with the death of amateur radio or the dangers it faces... Newsgroup all about Stebie and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT enemies. All enemies DIE. All enemies LIE. Only Stebie say truth. Hope Stebie see dentist very soon. Get tooth fixed, smile for first time in life. John "K4YZ" wrote in message |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" .... Where do they get these guys from? Even though the younger generation is much more educated than just a few decades ago--dinosaurs still walking the earth is an amazing sight!!! grin Warmest regards, John Aw, gee. The suck-up factor has increased by leaps and bounds. We have a sixty something retiree bolstering and encouraging a late seventy something retiree as they back slap one another on a job they think is well done. What fun. One is awaiting his Social Security check and the other is casting downward glances to make sure the elastic on his Relys is not leaking. A guy can ruin chairs that way. Ya gotta love these doddering old fools. One tries to enhance the other while at the same time they are stumbling over one another in an effort of one upmanship. "Yeah, Len, you are cool. My idol." "Dittos, John." "Who should I denigrate next, Len?" "Oh, take your pick." "Let me give it some thought, Len." "OK. Take your time. I have to change my Relys." "Understood. I have to do the same. By the way...do you use Lite Days or Nite Days?" ....and the tale of the weak-bladdered duo is to be continued. |
Mona wrote: ...and the tale of the weak-bladdered duo is to be continued. Your own anonymous status notwithstanding, this is not an unusual situation. Once every 6 months or so an anonymous "LennieFan" pops up, glad hands Lennie for a few days or couple weeks, then disappears as quickly as they arrived. Lennie's only NON-anonymous fans have been very few. First on his list is Brian Burke, N0IMD. "Brain" is himself an archived chronic liar and has numerous character issues unresolved. He cowers behind "bb" and won't sign his name or callsign to posts alledging "spam mitigation". Bunk. "Brain" has a laundry list of unanswered, unresolved questions going back over 5 years, yet he tries to hide his inadequacies behind false and misleading spindances against me. The fact is that he's not only been caught with his britches down more than a fifty cent hooker on payday, but they are dragging behind him, tattered and forever unrepairable and unserviceable. Did it to himself, though...He keeps running headlong into that brick wall then complains about the headache. There's Vipul Shah, KB1HMW. Actually, Vipul started out as "anonymous", but with a bit of research I "outted" him. What can we say about Vipul? I am sure he's basically a nice guy, but he's one of those immigrants who seems to think the entirety of the United States is going to morph into something HE can understand, rather than him adapting to the enviroment he's in. He carries that through to Amateur Radio, and has suggested on several occassions that Amateur Radio would be much better off if "we" saw things his way instead. His primary motive for being in Amateur Radio, apparently, is hitting on "preeti fems". Now I've been an Amateur for several decades now, and have, on occassion, met a female Amateur who turned heads smartly, but they are far and very few between, and usually the spouse of some 6'3" linebacker named "Rocky". Anyone who got an Amateur ticket to "meet babes" is going to be sorely disappointed! Lord know's I've looked! And let's not forget how buddybuddy Lennie and Todd Daugherty, N9OGL were a couple weeks ago...Need I say anything more about Todd? Foul mouthed, functionally illiterate, and too stupid to cover his own tracks when leaving ugly e-mails. But it doesn't surprise me...Lennie likes to punctuate his rants with a burst of profanity from time to time, so I am sure he was right at home. However Todd holds the crown...Now if he can just find another ISP since his foul, irresponsible mouth got him booted from the "local" service in Taylorville, IL. Now we suddenly have "John". Allegedly a middle aged Amateur of unknown years experience, unknown level of licensure, unknown organizational affiliations, memberships, etc..."John" may very well be a "real" person (read that as "not a figment of Lennie's imagination") but I doubt it. It would not be above Lennie (or beyond him) to create yet another anonymous "buddy" to help him get through a rough time in the NG. It's happened before. I may be wrong, but that duck sure is quacking pretty loudly. Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Mona wrote: ...and the tale of the weak-bladdered duo is to be continued. Your own anonymous status notwithstanding, this is not an unusual situation. Once every 6 months or so an anonymous "LennieFan" pops up, glad hands Lennie for a few days or couple weeks, then disappears as quickly as they arrived. Lennie's only NON-anonymous fans have been very few. First on his list is Brian Burke, N0IMD. "Brain" is himself an archived chronic liar and has numerous character issues unresolved. He cowers behind "bb" and won't sign his name or callsign to posts alledging "spam mitigation". Bunk. "Brain" has a laundry list of unanswered, unresolved questions going back over 5 years, yet he tries to hide his inadequacies behind false and misleading spindances against me. The fact is that he's not only been caught with his britches down more than a fifty cent hooker on payday, but they are dragging behind him, tattered and forever unrepairable and unserviceable. Did it to himself, though...He keeps running headlong into that brick wall then complains about the headache. There's Vipul Shah, KB1HMW. Actually, Vipul started out as "anonymous", but with a bit of research I "outted" him. What can we say about Vipul? I am sure he's basically a nice guy, but he's one of those immigrants who seems to think the entirety of the United States is going to morph into something HE can understand, rather than him adapting to the enviroment he's in. He carries that through to Amateur Radio, and has suggested on several occassions that Amateur Radio would be much better off if "we" saw things his way instead. His primary motive for being in Amateur Radio, apparently, is hitting on "preeti fems". Now I've been an Amateur for several decades now, and have, on occassion, met a female Amateur who turned heads smartly, but they are far and very few between, and usually the spouse of some 6'3" linebacker named "Rocky". Anyone who got an Amateur ticket to "meet babes" is going to be sorely disappointed! Lord know's I've looked! And let's not forget how buddybuddy Lennie and Todd Daugherty, N9OGL were a couple weeks ago...Need I say anything more about Todd? Foul mouthed, functionally illiterate, and too stupid to cover his own tracks when leaving ugly e-mails. But it doesn't surprise me...Lennie likes to punctuate his rants with a burst of profanity from time to time, so I am sure he was right at home. However Todd holds the crown...Now if he can just find another ISP since his foul, irresponsible mouth got him booted from the "local" service in Taylorville, IL. Now we suddenly have "John". Allegedly a middle aged Amateur of unknown years experience, unknown level of licensure, unknown organizational affiliations, memberships, etc..."John" may very well be a "real" person (read that as "not a figment of Lennie's imagination") but I doubt it. It would not be above Lennie (or beyond him) to create yet another anonymous "buddy" to help him get through a rough time in the NG. It's happened before. I may be wrong, but that duck sure is quacking pretty loudly. Steve, K4YZ Quite an enemy's list you have there Robeson, and also no better example why net savvy people keep people like you at arm's length, via an anon posting service. 73, Lloyd |
Lloyd wrote: Quite an enemy's list you have there Robeson...(SNIP) I don't have any enemies here. Not from my perspective. (UNSNIP)...and also no better example why net savvy people keep people like you at arm's length, via an anon posting service. In over 7 years of "membership", name ONE person who has suffered anything more than a bruised ego as a result of anything I've "said" or "done" here, Anonymous Coward. The answer, of course, is "zero". People post anonymously because they have something to hide...Usually an over active sense of paranoia. No doubt YOU are sitting there with an aluminum foil brain protector on, hoping that black helo outside your window goes away soon. Coward. Steve, K4YZ |
.... that must truly have been written by a woman--demonstrates a
complete lack of knowledge, is worried about "interpersonal relationships" and is of generally no use... .... but possibly could have been written by some silly gay who is completing a sex change series of operations and consuming hormones... John "Mona" KiloWatt@anon wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" ... Where do they get these guys from? Even though the younger generation is much more educated than just a few decades ago--dinosaurs still walking the earth is an amazing sight!!! grin Warmest regards, John Aw, gee. The suck-up factor has increased by leaps and bounds. We have a sixty something retiree bolstering and encouraging a late seventy something retiree as they back slap one another on a job they think is well done. What fun. One is awaiting his Social Security check and the other is casting downward glances to make sure the elastic on his Relys is not leaking. A guy can ruin chairs that way. Ya gotta love these doddering old fools. One tries to enhance the other while at the same time they are stumbling over one another in an effort of one upmanship. "Yeah, Len, you are cool. My idol." "Dittos, John." "Who should I denigrate next, Len?" "Oh, take your pick." "Let me give it some thought, Len." "OK. Take your time. I have to change my Relys." "Understood. I have to do the same. By the way...do you use Lite Days or Nite Days?" ...and the tale of the weak-bladdered duo is to be continued. |
John Smith wrote: Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" A legitimate assessment. ... Where do they get these guys from? I'm guessing that he's the product of an overdominant maternal figure and all that goes along with it. Mad at the world for having been raised a sissy, he over compensates by becoming a Marine. That doesn't work out, so he resigns himself to what he is and becomes a nurse. The pieces seem to fit, but it's just a guess. |
"bb" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" A legitimate assessment. ... Where do they get these guys from? I'm guessing that he's the product of an overdominant maternal figure and all that goes along with it. Mad at the world for having been raised a sissy, he over compensates by becoming a Marine. That doesn't work out, so he resigns himself to what he is and becomes a nurse. The pieces seem to fit, but it's just a guess. ROTFLMAO! and probably right on the money too. 73, Lloyd |
bb:
Just off the top of my head--SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!! grin John "bb" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" A legitimate assessment. ... Where do they get these guys from? I'm guessing that he's the product of an overdominant maternal figure and all that goes along with it. Mad at the world for having been raised a sissy, he over compensates by becoming a Marine. That doesn't work out, so he resigns himself to what he is and becomes a nurse. The pieces seem to fit, but it's just a guess. |
" Now we suddenly have "John". Allegedly a middle aged Amateur of unknown years experience, unknown level of licensure, unknown organizational affiliations, memberships, etc..."John" may very well be a "real" person (read that as "not a figment of Lennie's imagination") but I doubt it. It would not be above Lennie (or beyond him) to create yet another anonymous "buddy" to help him get through a rough time in the NG. It's happened before. I may be wrong, but that duck sure is quacking pretty loudly. Steve, K4YZ Quite an enemy's list you have there Robeson, and also no better example why net savvy people keep people like you at arm's length, via an anon posting service. 73, Lloyd ................................. Valid point. First, there is no Lennie fan here. I look at blowguts such as he with disdain. Secondly, posting anonymously via a paid service such as my Altopia account is not a mark of cowardice. This misplaced sense of Machismo is just that...misplaced. Can you afford $12.00 a month? I can, and it is well worth the expenditure. For example. bb has posted numerous comments over the months and was taken aback when Robeson posted his Ham call. It was easy enough to see that Brian lives at 430 Longview Street in Pickerington, Ohio. Many others who lurk in these newsgroups do the same. Some nefarious predators, such as AB8MQ, make it a point to delve into the backgrounds of those with whom they disagree and then post the information, true or false, on the Web. This individual has been known to go so far as to falsify reports about fellow Hams, knowing full well that he will be held unaccountable while hiding behind anon remailers. He has accused fellow Hams of being child molestors, accused fellow Hams of being convicted criminals, and worse. Much worse. You have seen it. The bickering and backstabbing can become quite cruel at times as marked by Wiseman's exceedingly calloused and uncalled for comments about Steve's beloved daughter. So, before any of you Machismo types puff up your chests and boast that you "have the balls" to use your real name and call sign, think again. Keep in mind that there lurks a social misfit close by who will, given a reason, cause you much discomfort whether it be by late night phone calls or a flood of anon magazine subscriptions. I make no apology for my Altopia account. None is necessary. Let's see...who am I now? Lloyd? Schwartz? Stagger Lee? Lloyd 2? Arf! Arf!? Lloyd 3? Maybe Roger can call Chris Caputo again and ask him who I really am. Oh, wait. Roger already tried that. Chris responded by giving AB8MQ the boot from Altopia. |
John Smith wrote:
Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" Hardly. Lennie's been busted for so many errors by numerous other posters...Not just me. And most of his posts have more than one error to them...Some posts a lot more than others. I just happen to be the most prolific. ... Where do they get these guys from? Even though the younger generation is much more educated than just a few decades ago--dinosaurs still walking the earth is an amazing sight!!! grin Don't worry "John"... Lennie's close to his expiration date, then there'll be one LESS dinosaur, generation of origin notwithstanding. Steve, K4YZ |
From: "John Smith" on Sat 11 Jun 2005 00:30
Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" John, that's the model that tried to fly in here several years ago. [I can't write his name in here because doesn't like being called names...:-) ] Others have tried this, of course, but that is just the usual psy-war tactics they attempt (unsuccessfully) in words. :-) --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" I would say that's only slightly close. It's a DOMINANCE ploy they are attempting...that of intimidating and dominating the newsgroup sufficiently that they emerge APPARENT winners. They only wind up being little weiners. ... Where do they get these guys from? Even though the younger generation is much more educated than just a few decades ago--dinosaurs still walking the earth is an amazing sight!!! grin Tsk. Yes, amazing. Toothless Tyranosaur Rex roaring rage and hate, standing only five feet high. Strikes terror in the hearts of mice. Yawn. :- Stebie da Wundermarine done manufactured some kind of word battle on MOTOROLA...saying "it didn't exist before 1947." :-) Actually the brand name was already indistinguishable from Galvin Mfg prior to WW2 and the 1947 corporate name change wasn't any more than some legal paperwork filing and a lot of letterhead changing in Chicago. Chicago: Always seemed a NON-center for electronics and radio, yet that is the city and suburbs wherein existed the Bill Halligan works better known as "Hallicrafters." [long since gone...RIP] Western Electric's main facilities were in Chicago and next to it was Graybar, the distribution center. The Siragusa brothers founded Admiral Corporation there and made TV sets (and radios) for decades with divisions spread all over the suburbs and nearby small cities. Zenith Radio began there. Teletype Corporation began there, about the same time as Bill Halligan started up. Lots more "smaller" firms in that area...but disregarded by the easterners because the "town by the lake" isn't in their center of the universe. If Gonad the Librarian wishes to follow-up, he can point and shout about MOTOROLA headquarters at SCHAUMBERG, IL, not "IN" Chicago! He could have an orgasm of messaging (and probably will) yelling all about LIES, LIES, and more LIES!!! :-) In reality, Hallicrafters is DEFUNCT. So, in essence, are Admiral and Zenith (Chicago went from "A to Z"). Teletype is no more but their corporate trademark is indelibly synonymous with THE tele- printer. Without checking for absolute, poselute "accuracy," the MOTOROLA corporate headquarters may have moved a long distance away...perhaps to make room for Boeing Aircraft (in a weird move from the long-established Hq home in the northwest USA in/near Seattle, WA). Nursie Worsie is an "expert" on electronics corporations in the USA because he read a lot of QST ads and "worked" for less than a half year as a purchasing agent for a small set-top box maker. It's wonderful that there are SO many amateur "experts" here that check everything, determine if the I is dotted and the T crossed, then berate/admonish the "guilty" on the slightest infraction. Watching them hop up and down in rage is like watching a 2-dimensional puppet with a single yank string pulled to make their flat arms and legs wiggle. ;-) I'm going to spend the next week at this year's Microwave Symposium down by the seashore. Back to the reality of the REAL radio business and REAL advancement of the state of the radio art. I'll leave the "art pioneering" to the amateur starving artists "manufacturing" their ever-regenerative regenerative detectors. [for less than $100, of course] Oh, and ponderous pontification on CONTESTING in "radiosport" wherein all the "great ones" are making their bids for laurel wreaths and immortality as gurus of radio. Yawn. wrote in message oups.com... From: "John Smith" on Fri 10 Jun 2005 07:54 |
From: "bb" on Sat 11 Jun 2005 09:55
John Smith wrote: Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" A legitimate assessment. ... Where do they get these guys from? I'm guessing that he's the product of an overdominant maternal figure and all that goes along with it. Mad at the world for having been raised a sissy, he over compensates by becoming a Marine. That doesn't work out, so he resigns himself to what he is and becomes a nurse. The pieces seem to fit, but it's just a guess. Good observation. Nursie Worsie is going to say it is all a LIE, LIE, LIE!!! :-) Stebie da Wundermarine wasn't born and raised in the conventional sense. It was issued from a USMC supply room, outfitted with a scowl and swagger stick, and pointed towards seven hostile actions and told to kill, destroy. The rest is history...as read in the rest room. Gonad the Librarian will want to speak to your wife again and lecture your kids. He can't get enough of others' wives. Dr. Killgore will thumb through a 1987 Physician's Desk Reference to see what sort of rage-inducers he can filch from the hospital drug room. [Sharps box keys were yanked off his key ring] K4CAP will be "Pilot in Command" of a recon flight to Ohio and check out your street address, scowl hidden behind gen-u-wine aviator sunglasses as he arms the Cessna's "cannon." Last Action Hero will berate "Lennie" and threaten charges of Treason while he chugalugs the caffinated cola so he can **** all over himself in here again. Stebie's personalities are all out here, hopping up and down in rage and hate. Same old, same old. Yawn. Modern American amateur extra radio at its finest... |
Len:
Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... John wrote in message oups.com... From: "John Smith" on Sat 11 Jun 2005 00:30 Len: I think steve's argument goes like this, "If I can find one thing wrong with any of your text--I can dismiss ALL of it" John, that's the model that tried to fly in here several years ago. [I can't write his name in here because doesn't like being called names...:-) ] Others have tried this, of course, but that is just the usual psy-war tactics they attempt (unsuccessfully) in words. :-) --OR-- "Once I can prove a point wrong in any of your posts--anything you have to say from then on is LESS IMPORTANT than my text" I would say that's only slightly close. It's a DOMINANCE ploy they are attempting...that of intimidating and dominating the newsgroup sufficiently that they emerge APPARENT winners. They only wind up being little weiners. ... Where do they get these guys from? Even though the younger generation is much more educated than just a few decades ago--dinosaurs still walking the earth is an amazing sight!!! grin Tsk. Yes, amazing. Toothless Tyranosaur Rex roaring rage and hate, standing only five feet high. Strikes terror in the hearts of mice. Yawn. :- Stebie da Wundermarine done manufactured some kind of word battle on MOTOROLA...saying "it didn't exist before 1947." :-) Actually the brand name was already indistinguishable from Galvin Mfg prior to WW2 and the 1947 corporate name change wasn't any more than some legal paperwork filing and a lot of letterhead changing in Chicago. Chicago: Always seemed a NON-center for electronics and radio, yet that is the city and suburbs wherein existed the Bill Halligan works better known as "Hallicrafters." [long since gone...RIP] Western Electric's main facilities were in Chicago and next to it was Graybar, the distribution center. The Siragusa brothers founded Admiral Corporation there and made TV sets (and radios) for decades with divisions spread all over the suburbs and nearby small cities. Zenith Radio began there. Teletype Corporation began there, about the same time as Bill Halligan started up. Lots more "smaller" firms in that area...but disregarded by the easterners because the "town by the lake" isn't in their center of the universe. If Gonad the Librarian wishes to follow-up, he can point and shout about MOTOROLA headquarters at SCHAUMBERG, IL, not "IN" Chicago! He could have an orgasm of messaging (and probably will) yelling all about LIES, LIES, and more LIES!!! :-) In reality, Hallicrafters is DEFUNCT. So, in essence, are Admiral and Zenith (Chicago went from "A to Z"). Teletype is no more but their corporate trademark is indelibly synonymous with THE tele- printer. Without checking for absolute, poselute "accuracy," the MOTOROLA corporate headquarters may have moved a long distance away...perhaps to make room for Boeing Aircraft (in a weird move from the long-established Hq home in the northwest USA in/near Seattle, WA). Nursie Worsie is an "expert" on electronics corporations in the USA because he read a lot of QST ads and "worked" for less than a half year as a purchasing agent for a small set-top box maker. It's wonderful that there are SO many amateur "experts" here that check everything, determine if the I is dotted and the T crossed, then berate/admonish the "guilty" on the slightest infraction. Watching them hop up and down in rage is like watching a 2-dimensional puppet with a single yank string pulled to make their flat arms and legs wiggle. ;-) I'm going to spend the next week at this year's Microwave Symposium down by the seashore. Back to the reality of the REAL radio business and REAL advancement of the state of the radio art. I'll leave the "art pioneering" to the amateur starving artists "manufacturing" their ever-regenerative regenerative detectors. [for less than $100, of course] Oh, and ponderous pontification on CONTESTING in "radiosport" wherein all the "great ones" are making their bids for laurel wreaths and immortality as gurus of radio. Yawn. wrote in message roups.com... From: "John Smith" on Fri 10 Jun 2005 07:54 |
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Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... Actually, not too much "reduction." When I first logged into this din of inequity, the morsemen were already in full cry, arrogant in their supposition that the code test would never go away. El Jefe of them all (some nearly 8 years ago) was KH2D and not hesitant to damn all "no-coders" in no uncertain terms. joined in after I did and attempted those same long, long postings wherein he was wont to yank out (almost) individual words and argue their use (exaggeration, but you get the picture). (who shall remain nameless) still does that schtick. Several others of the very-pro-code-advocacy came and went, including a few ex-navy types who bragged over their wonderous ability with morse (and who got trained at government expense). Perhaps the worst blow of all to these stalwart Defenders of the Archaic was FCC 99-412, the Report & Order that did the actual regulation "restructuring" (for 1999, there have been other years) as a sort of "Holiday Present" for all. ONE code test rate at 5 WPM, any class license having below 30 MHz privileges. From about then on, one by one, the personal attacks and "gutter fighting" became worse. The PCTA (Pro-Code Test Advocates) just couldn't contain themselves. They popped their tops and vented. More anony-mousies joined in, worse than the old PCTA, and the personal attacks got worse and worse. The condition today may be at a zenith, the Believers (of the code faith) trying to hold back tomorrow. A side problem are those few who think tangentially to the grope. Those who think that THEY are the center of the newsgrop world. Everything - in their apparent perception - revolves around THEM and they cannot take anything that isn't gratuitous praise of their heroic opinions. [we all know who they are...:-) ] Absolutely fascinating to those interested in psychology aspects of human beans...along with sociopathic and aberrant behavior. Entertaining in one way. :-) Long Beach Convention Center and the MTT Microwave Symposium calls. Bye. :-) |
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John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... You've just described Steven J. Robeson. |
bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... You've just described Steven J. Robeson. And yet another lie...from a "guy" who finds it easy to lie. Brian P Burke, N0IMD, ". Putz Jr. Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... You've just described Steven J. Robeson. And yet another lie...from a "guy" who finds it easy to lie. How can a highly accurate assessment of your behavio[u]r be a lie? Putz Jr. Steve, K4YZ And there's the "Robber's Son" trademark male genitalia fixation, again. |
"bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. I honestly wanted to know why, in a VHF/UHF contest, I wasn't contacting more Techs since they are "trapped above 30MHz by the code test" as some would have us believe. When Technicians are nearly half of all licensed hams, why were they only about 5% of my contacts? Extra's are only about 16% of the total and yet they were about 90% of the contacts. Those who maintain that the Techs are "trapped" are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by convincing the Techs that they are not capable of passing code. In the long term, that is an approach that harms amateur radio. Even if the code test is someday eliminated, it is wrong to gain support for it by convincing people that they are not capable of passing it. This can and will prevent people from attempting to pursue learning this aspect of ham radio. Every ham at every level should be encouraged to believe in their ABILITY to master any and all of the elements even if the element is not a required one. Whether they choose to pursue it is a different issue but we should encourage them to believe in themselves and not tear down their self esteem. Yet we have some people maintaining that the code should be dropped because some people "can't learn it and are trapped above 30MHz." By maintaining this attitude they are the ones putting down the Techs and showing their prejudices. They would trample on other's self esteem to obtain their objectives. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. But looikg ahead I ask why you seem to expect that Tech are interested in the same things (contesting) as you are. I honestly wanted to know why, in a VHF/UHF contest, I wasn't contacting more Techs since they are "trapped above 30MHz by the code test" as some would have us believe. When Technicians are nearly half of all licensed hams, why were they only about 5% of my contacts? Extra's are only about 16% of the total and yet they were about 90% of the contacts. That the numbers will be lobesided is obvious Tech as a class less experncedoperators and likely to have less time in etc. therefore they are likely to have stations less well equiped. I will now add some coment of MY thoughts and experences Frankly contest opperating has little appleal to me, I do Field Day fairly often which kida exhausts my level of interest in contesting Further I rarely hear of VHFor UHF contest till about a week after they happen Those who maintain that the Techs are "trapped" are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by convincing the Techs that they are not capable Now where is this from? Not capple? well I am not (5 years of trying for a Novice license in the 70's basicaly convinced me, maybe if I beged for enough accomdation I could manage a receieve only test by why should I?) But No one is arguing that Tech can't learn code, some do and some will even after the code test is history, It is a burden that isn't waranted by the value of Morse Code of passing code. In the long term, that is an approach that harms amateur radio. Even if the code test is someday eliminated, it is wrong to gain support for it by convincing people that they are not capable of passing it. Red herring This can and will prevent people from attempting to pursue learning this aspect of ham radio. Personally I hope so as I believe it is a mode that should be laid to rest Every ham at every level should be encouraged to believe in their ABILITY to Why? and what is your point, since noone but you is saying that techs can't master any and all of the elements even if the element is not a required one. Whether they choose to pursue it is a different issue but we should encourage them to believe in themselves and not tear down their self esteem. Yet we have some people maintaining that the code should be dropped because some people "can't learn it and are trapped above 30MHz." By maintaining And some folks are 5 years taking a test a every week or two and practiceing half and per day 5 days a week (study hall) did not mange it isn't likely any levl of effort would achieve results today this attitude they are the ones putting down the Techs and showing their prejudices. They would trample on other's self esteem to obtain their objectives. Frankly doesn't look like you are reading closely Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. What "gut"..?!?! You continue to inist that there's a "gut" yet in doing so you only substantiate my claim that Brian P Burke is a chronic liar. Do you lie like this to your wife? Your kids? Your employer? Your Scouts? As for the Techs issue, it must be a North Of The Mason-Dixon thing because I continue to "work" NCT's on a daily basis. They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... You've just described Steven J. Robeson. And yet another lie...from a "guy" who finds it easy to lie. How can a highly accurate assessment of your behavio[u]r be a lie? Becasue it's not accurate. Putz Jr. Steve, K4YZ And there's the "Robber's Son" trademark male genitalia fixation, again. Again another lie. And they keep stacking up... Steve, K4YZ |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. But looikg ahead I ask why you seem to expect that Tech are interested in the same things (contesting) as you are. I expect some percentage will be not all. Just as there is only a small percentage of Generals, Advanced, and Extras who are interested in contesting. However one would expect the largest group of licensees to be the largest group represented in the frequency bands where that group has full privileges. I honestly wanted to know why, in a VHF/UHF contest, I wasn't contacting more Techs since they are "trapped above 30MHz by the code test" as some would have us believe. When Technicians are nearly half of all licensed hams, why were they only about 5% of my contacts? Extra's are only about 16% of the total and yet they were about 90% of the contacts. That the numbers will be lobesided is obvious Tech as a class less experncedoperators and likely to have less time in etc. therefore they are likely to have stations less well equiped. But according to some, they have been "trapped" for years and have had plenty of time to gain experience and equipment. I will now add some coment of MY thoughts and experences Frankly contest opperating has little appleal to me, I do Field Day fairly often which kida exhausts my level of interest in contesting No problem. It's not for everyone. Further I rarely hear of VHFor UHF contest till about a week after they happen That's simply because you are not interested in contests. Again not a problem. For those who are interested, they are published well in advance on various websites. Those who maintain that the Techs are "trapped" are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by convincing the Techs that they are not capable Now where is this from? Not capple? well I am not (5 years of trying for a Novice license in the 70's basicaly convinced me, maybe if I beged for enough accomdation I could manage a receieve only test by why should I?) That basically proves my subsequent arguments that you have been incorrectly convinced you are not capable. It is dependent on the training approach. Way too many people have been subjected to incorrect training methods and/or poor teachers. But No one is arguing that Tech can't learn code, some do and some will even after the code test is history, It is a burden that isn't waranted by the value of Morse Code That's a matter of opinion only. However if the majority of hams EXPERIENCED in the mode were to support dropping it, I would accept that. It is only objectionable when the inexperienced try to rationalize why it should be dropped. of passing code. In the long term, that is an approach that harms amateur radio. Even if the code test is someday eliminated, it is wrong to gain support for it by convincing people that they are not capable of passing it. Red herring Not hardly. It is always harmful to convince people that they are incapable. This can and will prevent people from attempting to pursue learning this aspect of ham radio. Personally I hope so as I believe it is a mode that should be laid to rest What harm to you is there is those who like it continue to operate it? This is very much a "sour grapes" type of thinking. Every ham at every level should be encouraged to believe in their ABILITY to Why? and what is your point, since noone but you is saying that techs can't I have always said that they can learn it. Just check the archives. It has not been me saying they aren't capable. We should encourage people to believe in themselves so that they can be the best they can be regardless of whether it is ham radio or something else. master any and all of the elements even if the element is not a required one. Whether they choose to pursue it is a different issue but we should encourage them to believe in themselves and not tear down their self esteem. Yet we have some people maintaining that the code should be dropped because some people "can't learn it and are trapped above 30MHz." By maintaining And some folks are 5 years taking a test a every week or two and practiceing half and per day 5 days a week (study hall) did not mange it isn't likely any levl of effort would achieve results today Wrong training method and/or bad teacher. It is as simple as that. Correct training methods and a proper teacher do produce results. this attitude they are the ones putting down the Techs and showing their prejudices. They would trample on other's self esteem to obtain their objectives. Frankly doesn't look like you are reading closely I'm reading very closely. It is those who advocate the removal of the test who promulgate the concept that some people "can't" learn code. If they would just be honest and say they don't want to learn the code, I'd respect that but not agree with dropping it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. Probably becuase the question often gets answers that are not in line with other people's prejudices. I honestly wanted to know why, in a VHF/UHF contest, I wasn't contacting more Techs since they are "trapped above 30MHz by the code test" as some would have us believe. When Technicians are nearly half of all licensed hams, why were they only about 5% of my contacts? Extra's are only about 16% of the total and yet they were about 90% of the contacts. Most Technicians are doing exactly what they want. Some are satisfied with getting on the local repeater, some are helping with public service and event support, which again is either 2m simplex or repeater work. Those who want to upgrade, do upgrade. Those who maintain that the Techs are "trapped" are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by convincing the Techs that they are not capable of passing code. Frankly I doubt too many Techs are convinced by that sort of argument. The only people (with one exception) who are trapped are those who for some reason allow themselves to be. The exception is those very, very few who for some reason are truly incapable. BUt that number is vanishingly small. Every ham at every level should be encouraged to believe in their ABILITY to master any and all of the elements even if the element is not a required one. Whether they choose to pursue it is a different issue but we should encourage them to believe in themselves and not tear down their self esteem. Yet we have some people maintaining that the code should be dropped because some people "can't learn it and are trapped above 30MHz." By maintaining this attitude they are the ones putting down the Techs and showing their prejudices. Some people cannot pass the written tests either. Does not being able to pass the General test also trap you above 30 MHz? Not passing the Extra trap you out of the Extra segments? Does not being able to pass the Technician test trap you out of Amateur radio? If I don't want to learn the satellite operation questions, is that an unfair thing, and should those questions be removed so I don't have to learn the answers to those questions? Those who would have the Technicians be the "oppressed victims" do hate those questions. They would trample on other's self esteem to obtain their objectives. Correct! If a person hates Morse code, that is fine. It's a free country. But The concept of people being "trapped" above 30 MHz is a sympathy ploy that has no relation to the reality of people wanting more priveliges, and doing what is needed to get them. I had some people telling me to wait to get my General, because the Morse code requirement is going away "any day now". That was in 1999. Just about 6 years ago. I guess it was a good thing I didn't listen to them! 8^) But that is the tale I give the new guys who are interested in upgrading. Don't wait. Learn what you need to learn. If the requirement goes away, all you will have lost is the time spent learning Morse, and you will have traded that time for some skill and knowledge. Then I ask if 6 years of not being on HF is worth *not* learning Morse code. - Mike KB3EIA - |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. What "gut"..?!?! You continue to inist that there's a "gut" yet in doing so you only substantiate my claim that Brian P Burke is a chronic liar. break Do you lie like this to your wife? Your kids? Your employer? Your Scouts? Your stopped beating your wife and kids? As for the Techs issue, it must be a North Of The Mason-Dixon thing because I continue to "work" NCT's on a daily basis. Yeah I bet you work em, work em over if they don't mind what you see as there place They are at a loss when brave men stand their ground and question their faulty logic... reduces 'em to personal attacks and gutter fighting quickly... You've just described Steven J. Robeson. And yet another lie...from a "guy" who finds it easy to lie. How can a highly accurate assessment of your behavio[u]r be a lie? Becasue it's not accurate. Putz Jr. And there's the "Robber's Son" trademark male genitalia fixation, again. right above is another examaple' Steve, K4YZ And there's the "Robber's Son" trademark male genitalia fixation, again. Again another lie. Nope And they keep stacking up... Steve, K4YZ |
Michael Coslo wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. Probably becuase the question often gets answers that are not in line with other people's prejudices. I honestly wanted to know why, in a VHF/UHF contest, I wasn't contacting more Techs since they are "trapped above 30MHz by the code test" as some would have us believe. When Technicians are nearly half of all licensed hams, why were they only about 5% of my contacts? Extra's are only about 16% of the total and yet they were about 90% of the contacts. Most Technicians are doing exactly what they want. Some are satisfied with getting on the local repeater, some are helping with public service and event support, which again is either 2m simplex or repeater work. Those who want to upgrade, do upgrade. Those who maintain that the Techs are "trapped" are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by convincing the Techs that they are not capable of passing code. Frankly I doubt too many Techs are convinced by that sort of argument. The only people (with one exception) who are trapped are those who for some reason allow themselves to be. The exception is those very, very few who for some reason are truly incapable. BUt that number is vanishingly small. Every ham at every level should be encouraged to believe in their ABILITY to master any and all of the elements even if the element is not a required one. Whether they choose to pursue it is a different issue but we should encourage them to believe in themselves and not tear down their self esteem. Yet we have some people maintaining that the code should be dropped because some people "can't learn it and are trapped above 30MHz." By maintaining this attitude they are the ones putting down the Techs and showing their prejudices. Some people cannot pass the written tests either. Does not being able to pass the General test also trap you above 30 MHz? Not passing the Extra trap you out of the Extra segments? Does not being able to pass the Technician test trap you out of Amateur radio? If I don't want to learn the satellite operation questions, is that an unfair thing, and should those questions be removed so I don't have to learn the answers to those questions? But your analogy is false if you don't wish to learn about satelite operation then don't it will not keep you from passing the test. Perfect score is NOT required in order to pass I don't claim to have plotted it but I beleive you even choose not to learn the rules of the ARS and still pass the test. ( not that I would recmend such a course) Futher No one has suggested removing from the question pools all content regarding Morse Encoded CW, but the current state of affairs make Morse encoded CW more important than all of the rest of Ham radio, something that is clearly not the case and unfairly enhances the previldges of those to whom it comes more easily An alterenitve would of course be to discuss wether or not the ARS would be better off with a fee based license sructure, with the fees reservsed for ARS enforcement. Not sure I endorse the idea fully but I do think it has enough merit to discuss, or even asome from of mixed system of fees or tests and fees or just tests with the pathways choosen by each of us I think that has ral merit but I doubt the FCC would ever go for it, But it does seem forbidden to even discuss something like that Those who would have the Technicians be the "oppressed victims" do hate those questions. They would trample on other's self esteem to obtain their objectives. Correct! If a person hates Morse code, that is fine. It's a free country. But The concept of people being "trapped" above 30 MHz is a sympathy ploy that has no relation to the reality of people wanting more priveliges, and doing what is needed to get them. false again. it is not a matter of sympathy but of law, the constitution, rights, all those little thing that get in the of petty (or grand) tyrants I had some people telling me to wait to get my General, because the Morse code requirement is going away "any day now". That was in 1999. Just about 6 years ago. I guess it was a good thing I didn't listen to them! 8^) But that is the tale I give the new guys who are interested in upgrading. Don't wait. Learn what you need to learn. If the requirement goes away, all you will have lost is the time spent learning Morse, and you will have traded that time for some skill and knowledge. Then I ask if 6 years of not being on HF is worth *not* learning Morse code. Certainly is I spent 5 years on it that was a waste and in those it kept you off HF and VHF and.... I traded my time for nothing Indeed the Tale I tell is decide if you want HF, and then give morse code a try, and if you try good luck with it, but please don't let yourself get down about it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Michael Coslo wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. Probably becuase the question often gets answers that are not in line with other people's prejudices. Probably because the nature of the "simple" question is negative and is seeking a like response. Probably because further dialog confirms an already negative viewpoint of No Code Techs. Probably because Dan and Dave chimed in with negative responses as well. Probably because I have seen many Extras with such attitudes, many of them right here on RRAP. Probably because Robber's Son keeps asking who chased away the Techs when the answer is so plainly visible. |
bb wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: John Smith wrote: Len: Yes, they do look the part of ancient toothless bullies--the faint of heart have fled in fear before their rants (as so have the women, children, small animals and gays)... And they ask who chased away the No Code Techs. Who chased away the NCT's, Brain...?!?! You keep reiterating this assinine assertion that is, in fact, untruthful, yet you continue to DODGE answering the question? I talked with two NCT's on the way home fromwork last night...They weren't lost..knew right where they were. Perhaps you didn't see Dee, Dan and Dave's prejudice in the "Where are All the Techs" thread. It's all pretty self-explanatory, and as plain as that gut of yours in the QRZ photo. Interesting how you can derive prejudice from a simple question. Probably becuase the question often gets answers that are not in line with other people's prejudices. Probably because the nature of the "simple" question is negative and is seeking a like response. The simple answer to your suggestion that the NCT's have all been chased away is that they've NOT been all chased away. Probably because further dialog confirms an already negative viewpoint of No Code Techs. I again insist that this must be a North of the Mason-Dixon line issue. No such "negative viewpoint" exists here. Maybe because we go out of the way to include them? Probably because Dan and Dave chimed in with negative responses as well. Probably because I have seen many Extras with such attitudes, many of them right here on RRAP. Probably because Robber's Son keeps asking who chased away the Techs when the answer is so plainly visible. No, it's not. You insist it's happened. I say it hasn't. Even casual observation reveals that's not an accurate assessment. Again I acknowledge that that is probably a regional experience. Why do you continue to defame the character of a deceased honest man? Steve, K4YZ |
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