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Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite
natural for here... now back to: 1) analyze the problem to death. 2) claim there is nothing wrong 3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it. 4) pretend no one notices what is really going on 5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them. 6) pretend that we will live forever 7) argue one new license a year is enough 8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license 9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason 10) carry on as if it is still yesterday. 11) etc, etc, etc... .... yawn... John "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Mike: Let me break this to you gently, what you have to say is just not important in the whole scheme of things--a year from now we will see what we all feel as whole--after debate and argument... I didn't come here for you to teach me english--rant on if you must--just know it is ignored... No, there is little need for interpretation of what you say, it is obvious: 1) there is no problem 2) even if a problem exists--no reason to worry 3) we need not do anything 4) I (Mike, meaning YOU) am happy, everyone else shut up and go away 5) status quo is all which matters 6) etc, etc, etc I don't make personal attacks--however, if the truth offends someone, so be it... John Dee steps into the ring and spars for a couple seconds......... However looking in the wrong places for solutions won't solve the problem either. You want to repeat solutions that haven't worked. She lands a quick right. You ignore the concept that the average age of our entire population is rising. Quick feint... You ignore the idea that radio will only appeal to certain types of people. A few hits to the midsection.... You ignore the fact that many people simply don't know about ham radio. another feint.. You ignore the fact that all hobby activities are having trouble getting new members because now everyone is split over more activities than ever before and that it's not unique to ham radio. Followed by a quick hit to the head. You think one "magic bullet" (eliminating the code test) will fix the problem. Stunning the opponent, who falls to the canvas..... Changing the testing requirements are highly unlikely to cause a significant impact because they do not address the main issues. And at last, a scene reminding me of the famous shot of Muhammad Ali standing over Jim Frasier.... And since we are making sports comparisons, Game, Set, Match, Dee. - Mike KB3EIA - (who is sitting here tonight, listening to my newly resurrected Heathkit HW-22 tube rig, while using my other radio to work psk-31, and typing a few notes via the internet....) It's all good...... - Mike KB3EIA - |
.... hmm, too bad we will all die soon... guess it will be the end of the
world then, huh? Hey, that sounds like what my parents said!!!, and they lied!!!... .... you don't suspect people will think you are taking yourself much, much too seriously do you? And, the would will get along just fine without you? John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... KXHB: Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown ... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up front... ... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you... John If I had a buck for all the mistakes the fellows with "... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy" made and that I had to straighten out, I'd be rich. Every activity needs a BLEND OF OLD, NEW, and IN-BETWEEN to get the best results. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "KXHB" wrote in message ink.net... "John Smith" wrote ....so younger and more capable minds .... Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable minds! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Mike:
Geesh... old geezers taking themselves far too seriously... now where have I see that before? You guys are real legends--legends in your own minds!!! John "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... KØHB wrote: "John Smith" wrote ....so younger and more capable minds .... Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable minds! Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those under 25..... - Mike KB3EIA - |
.... now that is certainly better than nothing--and a heck of a lot more
than most do--I suspect... John "W2DNE" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Even worse is an old guy hanging out with kids. Neatest "old guy" I know (pushing 80-something now) is a WW-II vet who spends all his summer taking kids (dependents of deployed CT military) on day trips fishing on his dime. He feels useful, the kids line up for weeks to get on his "list", the deployed warriors feel someone "cares", and everyone wins. It's called "putting something back". This guy deserves a medal, but unfortunately if he's identified publicly some cinic like you would do your best to rain on his good deed. DNE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite natural for here... now back to: 1) analyze the problem to death. 2) claim there is nothing wrong 3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it. 4) pretend no one notices what is really going on 5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them. 6) pretend that we will live forever 7) argue one new license a year is enough 8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license 9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason 10) carry on as if it is still yesterday. 11) etc, etc, etc... ... yawn... John First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope that either of you never have to go through that in your lives. I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an appreciation in younger people for the service. General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit. Yesterday was a day I will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I see on this list and in other places. KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. |
John Smith wrote:
... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the problem--since you benefit from the existing problem... Looks like you are the one that just dosen't get it johnnyboy. The older generation isn't just a bunch of usless people taking up space here on this earth as you seem to think. It seems you are the self-serving one, you don't want to be bothered by anyone older than you, you seem to think you have all the answers. Got news for you johnnyboy, you don't, many of that older generation you seem to despise quite often know more than you ever will. |
Garigue:
True, I would get very little or no enjoyment out of poking fun at people with REAL disabilities--not disabilities someone imposes upon oneself... .... so, kinda of obvious I suspect some may be able to rise above the low levels of self-serving motivations they have sunk too... and these are the ones I poke fun at--ya suppose? grin .... however, my optimism has not been well placed.. John "garigue" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite natural for here... now back to: 1) analyze the problem to death. 2) claim there is nothing wrong 3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it. 4) pretend no one notices what is really going on 5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them. 6) pretend that we will live forever 7) argue one new license a year is enough 8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license 9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason 10) carry on as if it is still yesterday. 11) etc, etc, etc... ... yawn... John First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope that either of you never have to go through that in your lives. I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an appreciation in younger people for the service. General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit. Yesterday was a day I will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I see on this list and in other places. KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. |
garigue wrote:
First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... That's wogie wussman for sure, he has a real fixation for colostomy bags. Don't ask, you don't want to know why. I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an appreciation in younger people for the service. Nothing, all he can do is complain about the older generation. General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit. I think you nailed johnnyboy. Yesterday was a day I will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I see on this list and in other places. KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. Hooray for Matt! |
Buzzard:
I think everyone is just waiting for the oldsters who can't accept change to die... and that is what will be occurring from here on out... grab a seat the future unfolds before us... it waits for no man... .... all we are talking about here is being part of the solution, or part of the problem--I can see the lines are well divided and in little danger of changing--the grim reaper will now make the final decision... John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: ... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the problem--since you benefit from the existing problem... Looks like you are the one that just dosen't get it johnnyboy. The older generation isn't just a bunch of usless people taking up space here on this earth as you seem to think. It seems you are the self-serving one, you don't want to be bothered by anyone older than you, you seem to think you have all the answers. Got news for you johnnyboy, you don't, many of that older generation you seem to despise quite often know more than you ever will. |
From: "garigue" on Tues 21 Jun 2005 22:44
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite natural for here... now back to: 1) analyze the problem to death. 2) claim there is nothing wrong 3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it. 4) pretend no one notices what is really going on 5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them. 6) pretend that we will live forever 7) argue one new license a year is enough 8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license 9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason 10) carry on as if it is still yesterday. 11) etc, etc, etc... ... yawn... John First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope that either of you never have to go through that in your lives. Wow. A LECTURE! Tom, try to calm down and look at the big picture. Growing dementia ("Alzheimer's") in older people and is a terrible thing to observe up-close and personal. I'm quite familiar with that, having watched my own mother go through that, little bit by little bit every day, the last four years of her life in a nursing home. I visited her every day and could see others in the same hospital succumb slowly...and share the inner turmoil of their family and friends watching their loved ones. The same with those other patients having various physical damage from injury or illness. Three hundred beds in that one single-floor facility, seen every day. Go ahead, make my day, try to lecture ME on "taking all that so very, very seriously" about handicaps and illnesses... I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an appreciation in younger people for the service. Not a requirement of amateur radio licensing, Tom. General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit. ...and you are as guilty as anything of doing the SAME "pontificating" about Alzheimer's suffering. It's no more, no less of a pontification than all the high and mighty amateur extras in here praising the glory and majesty and "necessity" of morse code testing or rank-status-privilege "due them" in a HOBBY activity involving radio. Yesterday was a day I will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I see on this list and in other places. Now that's just a wonderful thing...out of the blue comes a nice MORAL LECTURE about a younger person "overcoming all obstacles" "despite physical handicaps" "working hard, hard, hard to pass a test." Reads like second-rate Reader's Digest material. I've never met that young person, Tom, just like YOU have never met hundreds of other sufferers of various things...which I don't mention in here because they don't apply to THE SUBJECTS AT HAND either. At stake is some federal regulations regarding amateur radio, a HOBBY activity, a recreational pursuit done for personal enjoyment. "Overcoming obstacles" is NOT a part of the overall picture. Morality lectures to others don't help a bit...except to cure the lecturer's mild rage at others not taking things so damn "seriously" as the lecturer does. Oh, wow, "overcoming the obstacle of learning morse code!" Terrific emotionally-loaded over-limit baggage. The real question ought to be the TEST itself and why it "must" be passed just to enjoy a radio hobby below 30 MHz. But, that isn't a thing for you or anyone else who has already passed that TEST, is it? The real purpose is to keep on with the myth where "hard, hard WORK" is such a "moral necessity" and perhaps - in a screwball perverse way - somehow closer to Godliness? I've known, seen, been around all sorts of folks with handicaps, just as I've already legally and successfully operated on HF in five other radio services other than amateur radio. Any TEST for a LICENSE is just a regulatory tool of the federal government. That license is NOT an academic achievement, is NOT soem magic talisman that one "Must" posssess in order to operate any radio transmitter below 30 MHz. Morsemanship isn't a "qualification" to operate below 30 MHz...I was long-ago perfectly qualified to operate a radio transmitter below 30 MHz without morse code smarts and did. That morse TEST is an artificiality of old-time emotion that has long-since passed its usefulness. The TEST itself, and the license, is just a regulatory tool...for a radio HOBBY. Those who want to preach a ham radio LIFESTYLE will be outraged at the above. TS. I got a new punch and am set for lots of cards. I'm a bit sick and tired of these emotionally-loaded MORALITY plays by the self-righteous unfolding in this stage. A lot of readers are feeling the same way. Put on a bad performance and you get bad reviews. TS. That's show biz... |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... KXHB: Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown ... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up front... ... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you... John Hello, John My you bounce around a lot :) Given my druthers, I'd pick someone who has shown the capability to do a job other than someone with a gift of gab. We had a couple of those back in the 80s. One they caught up with - he was running up long distance phone bills to the company and was a real gem. The other could turn out twice the pile of paper of the experienced folks. I left in 1989. I sent an e-mail 2 years later asking if they had figured out why they had lost half of their purchasing information. LOL! They had the guys in the 3 piece suits from IBM running around trying to figure out what happened. I knew. They guy professed to be a genius and he pushed twice the paper of the older guys. His code was terrible. When he hit end of file on either co-ordinated file, he closed everything. Which left records in one of the buffers. The company got exactly what it deserved. I reworked one program. What cost us $150.00 per run ended up costing $1.45. It just took a little more code (which is why he pushed out more paper, but it cost them dearly). The cpu budget was over $700,000 per year in that area. They could have cut their cost from 60% to 90%, depending upon how tight they wanted to write the code. This was not my estimate; rather it was the estimates from 3 folks that reviewed my submissions with highlighter over the sections that were bad. As far as hams go, I'd choose a guy who could figure out how to load up a stupid wire fence to re-establish communications with Guam from Saipan. I know as I was on the other end when Hans did exactly that. I had to go to work and other guys picked up with no questions asked. Then, Captain Delaney came to the shack and secure those guys from all further duty and they passed traffic to ComNavMar directly. No problem. Military folks who could follow orders and hams than knew what to do (the regular Navy folks couldn't figure out what to do with a signal that was overloading their receivers). I'm willing to help someone who wants to measure their antenna "resistance" with an ohm meter, but if they insist, well, go at it with a DVM :)) Heck, I've had my 5 or 10 minutes of fame. Pulled a kid out of a river years back who was going under. No big deal. I heard Hans (sparkplug1) and answered him, starting the communications between Saipan and Guam. No big deal. I showed my former employer how to do 8 hours of tool engineering work in 15 minutes (yes, I wrote a program to generate the ladders). My question is this: who would you trust? Someone with several instances of "15 minutes of fame" or someone who talks a good story but has nothing to show for it? I'm not suggesting shutting out young folks, that would be stupid. I am suggesting not shutting out older folks simply because they are getting old. That is also very stupid. The fact that someone can copy cw at 30 or 40 words per minute does *not* mean they don't know anything else. Trust me on that. Admittedly, we slow down a bit as we age. I can't easily do much over 60 or 65 words per minute typing. I used to feel a 100 word per minute teletype fighting me as I did bursts in excess of 90 words per minute. I could keep a 60 word per minute machine going continuously so that the other station assumed I was using a tape. Who cares? How many folks can type over 60 words per minute? Cut and paste does *not* count. I can do that also LOL. With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... KØHB wrote: "John Smith" wrote ....so younger and more capable minds .... Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable minds! Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those under 25..... - Mike KB3EIA - Hello, Mike I'm not sure it is necessarily the young folks. I keep hearing that pi is exactly equal to three. Dang, I'm getting old. I thought it was approximately 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10. Of course, I may have well made a type. I know another 50 places or so, but if I didn't make a typo in the first 50, I sure as heck will in the next 50 LOL. Funny how they love their cell phones and satellite television. I keep hearing that the theory of gravity is only a theory, but, if you try, you will find that you can't achieve a stable orbit with anything but the established "theory". Of course, even Einstein was mistaken for a janitor and also dismissed by folks after WWII about the dangers of atomic fission and fusion. He was, after all, old and decrepit. BWAAAAHAHAHAHA! Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet? I hear they know where Bin Laden is. So ... ???? Nada. Zilch. Zero. It is claimed that they don't want to offend certain nations. Yet, I hear that the U.K. is left-leaning. You know, I am getting sick to my stomach of the "spin" some folks are putting on things. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Jim Hampton wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... K=D8HB wrote: "John Smith" wrote ....so younger and more capable minds .... As if! Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher". Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic, we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can capture the REALLY capable minds! Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.. Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those under 25..... - Mike KB3EIA - Hello, Mike I'm not sure it is necessarily the young folks. I keep hearing that pi is exactly equal to three. Dang, I'm getting old. I thought it was approximately 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10. Of course, I may have well made a type. I know another 50 places or so, but if I didn't make a typo in the first 50, I sure as heck will in the nex= t 50 LOL. Funny how they love their cell phones and satellite television. I keep hearing that the theory of gravity is only a theory, but, if you try, you will find that you can't achieve a stable orbit with anything but the established "theory". Of course, even Einstein was mistaken for a janitor and also dismissed by folks after WWII about the dangers of atomic fission and fusion. He was, after all, old and decrepit. BWAAAAHAHAHAHA! Have they found the weapons of mass destruction yet? I hear they know where Bin Laden is. So ... ???? Nada. Zilch. Zero. It is claimed that they don't want to offend certain nations. Yet, I hear that the U.K. is left-leaning. You know, I am getting sick to my stomach of the "spin" some folks are putting on things. Me too, Jim and Mike... Seems that it's not technology they object to as much as science. Like any science that says the earth is more than about 6000 years old. Or science that shows we share an enormous amount of DNA with other primates. Or any science that says maybe we shouldn't have so many babies, because the earth can only support a limited number of people. Global climate change? Hole in the ozone layer? Just theory, from "liberal academics"... Nothing new - look what happened to folks like Galileo who said the earth wasn't the center of the universe. Next thing ya know they'll take "Inherit The Wind" off the shelves... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
From: "garigue" on Wed 22 Jun 2005 22:38
First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope that either of you never have to go through that in your lives. Wow. A LECTURE! No lecture the Mr. Len just that I can't see injecting this in to the mix snip Tom, you had a LECTURE going whether you meant it or not. That happens every once in a while when someone feels like they have to proctor morality or preach "good works." In truth, I posted a STRONG response...but that's because I've seen a half century's worth of such LECTURES all about HAVING to "help the young ones" or all about some deaf, blind, dumb quadriplegic person "finally passing their ham test." As if the ham test is some Holy Grail to seek, the ultimate test of one's life? Amateur radio is a HOBBY. De facto if not de jure. [that means "in fact" even though it is not explicitly defined in some law or regulation as such] NO ONE "owes anyone" for something they do when no money has changed hands. If someone feels obligated to another, fine, that's a personal thing to that someone. But, that is NOT in any rules or regulations, and its "requirement" is just inside some folks' heads...besides the Sumner editorial pages in QST. If you or anyone else has TRUE enthusiasm for some hobby, you can PROJECT that to others and share the enthusiasm. If you know more than they do, you can - if you are still enthusiastic and want to share - help them out by increasing their knowledge. Your enthusiasm for something will help you impart such new knowledge to them. Even after over a half century of being involved in radio-electronics, I'm still fascinated by it and am still enthusiastic about learning more...but that does NOT mean that I "MUST" "teach others" or any of that false "good works" stuff for THEM. That's not any sort of "moral obligation" that I "MUST" do in any hobby. Nor for anyone else with their hobby. Hobbies are personal activities done for personal enjoyment and recreation purposes. As to the "service" word in Title 47, C.F.R., if you ask the FCC they will tell you it is "a regulatory term denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated." It does NOT imply some grandiose "national service" at all. Ah, but "the FCC says so" say many, not understanding what the FCC is saying...and then they get all confused when I point out other services such as the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE, the Radio Control Radio SERVICE, the Family Radio SERVICE and so forth. It's in Title 47 in nearly every Part. Now, some folks seem to be tuckered out by all the lifting of THEIR emotional baggage, at the use of "certain words" and "certain phrases." In here lots seem to be carrying very OLD baggage, complete with those stickers from olden times as if they were there (even though they couldn't have) plastered all over that "baggage." Sorry, the boat don't go there no more. Time travel to "happier times" hasn't been invented yet. FCC rules and regulations apply to time NOW and there's lots more citizens of the U. S. of A. who MIGHT be interested in a radio license and have much more modern "baggage" without all those old-time travel stickers on it. Old-timers do NOT "own" the hobby despite what they think and shout and demand. Some folks get a big kick out of being "re-enactors" of every- thing from midieval life to the American Civil War. Fine. If that's what makes them happy, I say "have fun" and go for it. But, trying to ENFORCE such "re-enactment" by keeping hard and fast rules in LAW to freeze an activity in old, outmoded standards and practices goes beyond the reasonable. LAW applies to ALL, not just a bunch of old-timers trying to re-enact a time when most of them did not exist. The future cannot be eliminated by mere legislation holding it static. |
From: "Jim Hampton" on Thurs 23 Jun 2005 03:45
"John Smith" wrote in message ... KXHB: Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes of fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown ... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up front... ... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't worry--a name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you... John Hello, John My you bounce around a lot :) Given my druthers, I'd pick someone who has shown the capability to do a job other than someone with a gift of gab. A "job?" :-) Is amateur radio a "job?" We had a couple of those back in the 80s. One they caught up with - he was running up long distance phone bills to the company and was a real gem. The other could turn out twice the pile of paper of the experienced folks. I left in 1989. I sent an e-mail 2 years later asking if they had figured out why they had lost half of their purchasing information. LOL! They had the guys in the 3 piece suits from IBM running around trying to figure out what happened. I knew. They guy professed to be a genius and he pushed twice the paper of the older guys. His code was terrible. When he hit end of file on either co-ordinated file, he closed everything. Which left records in one of the buffers. The company got exactly what it deserved. I reworked one program. What cost us $150.00 per run ended up costing $1.45. It just took a little more code (which is why he pushed out more paper, but it cost them dearly). The cpu budget was over $700,000 per year in that area. They could have cut their cost from 60% to 90%, depending upon how tight they wanted to write the code. This was not my estimate; rather it was the estimates from 3 folks that reviewed my submissions with highlighter over the sections that were bad. Okay, send me your TS card, I'll punch it. [got a new punch] As far as hams go, I'd choose a guy who could figure out how to load up a stupid wire fence to re-establish communications with Guam from Saipan. I know as I was on the other end when Hans did exactly that. I had to go to work and other guys picked up with no questions asked. Then, Captain Delaney came to the shack and secure those guys from all further duty and they passed traffic to ComNavMar directly. No problem. Military folks who could follow orders and hams than knew what to do (the regular Navy folks couldn't figure out what to do with a signal that was overloading their receivers). Oh, boy! Heah come de "Guam-Saipan" hams-save-the-day story again! :-) I'm willing to help someone who wants to measure their antenna "resistance" with an ohm meter, but if they insist, well, go at it with a DVM :)) Heck, I've had my 5 or 10 minutes of fame. Pulled a kid out of a river years back who was going under. No big deal. I heard Hans (sparkplug1) and answered him, starting the communications between Saipan and Guam. No big deal. I showed my former employer how to do 8 hours of tool engineering work in 15 minutes (yes, I wrote a program to generate the ladders). Your certificate is in the mail, credited with 45 minutes for three (3) Warhols. [mailed in a plain, brown envelope] My question is this: who would you trust? Someone with several instances of "15 minutes of fame" or someone who talks a good story but has nothing to show for it? Everyone MUST have a personal webpage with their homebuilt kluge displayed on it. [praise endorsements from neighbors optional] I'm not suggesting shutting out young folks, that would be stupid. I am suggesting not shutting out older folks simply because they are getting old. That is also very stupid. Don't olde-fahrts RULE in here? The fact that someone can copy cw at 30 or 40 words per minute does *not* mean they don't know anything else. Trust me on that. Really? :-) Admittedly, we slow down a bit as we age. I can't easily do much over 60 or 65 words per minute typing. I used to feel a 100 word per minute teletype fighting me as I did bursts in excess of 90 words per minute. I could keep a 60 word per minute machine going continuously so that the other station assumed I was using a tape. Been there, done that. Did you want a Certificate for THAT, too? [Teletype Corporation is DEFUNCT] Who cares? How many folks can type over 60 words per minute? Cut and paste does *not* count. I can do that also LOL. Is there a "typing test" in amateur radio license examinations? Last I heard, there was just this morse code test for manual skill demonstrations. You should write the VEC QPC and insist they include a question on How To Wire A Fence To Restore Guam-Saipan Communications For MARS! Maybe Hans could help you with that letter? [a thought] Oh, by the way, computer source code is NOT the "code" that is supposed to be talked about in here. Has nothing to do with ham radio, I'm told. [just passing along an advisory] Wanna compare ACM membership numbers? :-) |
Tom, you had a LECTURE going whether you meant it or not. That happens every once in a while when someone feels like they have to proctor morality or preach "good works." No not preaching good works Len ...just in some small way trying to make some people think about what they say and using cheap shots with unfortunate situations. A number of years ago I called a radio station and complained about the jocks using a lady and her breast cancer as a "joke". The fellow I talked to brushed me off as if it was an OK thing to do ...... sort of reflective of our society... unfortunately. In truth, I posted a STRONG response.. No problem Len ... ..but that's because I've seen a half century's worth of such LECTURES all about HAVING to "help the young ones" or all about some deaf, blind, dumb quadriplegic person "finally passing their ham test." No Len just an example of courage ..... and my comment was in response to moaning vs something positive ... As if the ham test is some Holy Grail to seek, the ultimate test of one's life? If only my salvation were dependent on that Len ..... lets see the big radio club in the sky .... I'd have to think about that before I would step through the gaits ....sort of like the 72 virgins or so that are promised ....could anyone go through eternity with 72 women on their case .... sounds like the other place ... Amateur radio is a HOBBY. De facto if not de jure. [that means "in fact" even though it is not explicitly defined in some law or regulation as such] Some say yes and some no ...to be honest Len I let that quit bothering me years ago ...it is what it is ... and besides thanks for the translation as I haven't been in a Latin text since 70 or so .... NO ONE "owes anyone" for something they do when no money has changed hands. If someone feels obligated to another, fine, that's a personal thing to that someone. But, that is NOT in any rules or regulations, and its "requirement" is just inside some folks' heads...besides the Sumner editorial pages in QST. I see the personal things to someone all the time ...that makes this veil of tears a little more bearable for all ... If you or anyone else has TRUE enthusiasm for some hobby, you can PROJECT that to others and share the enthusiasm. If you know more than they do, you can - if you are still enthusiastic and want to share - help them out by increasing their knowledge. Your enthusiasm for something will help you impart such new knowledge to them. Even after over a half century of being involved in radio-electronics, I'm still fascinated by it and am still enthusiastic about learning more... Good point Len .... but that does NOT mean that I "MUST" "teach others" or any of that false "good works" stuff for THEM. I'll let that up to someone else to determine if it is false or not .... That's not any sort of "moral obligation" that I "MUST" do in any hobby. Nor for anyone else with their hobby. Hobbies are personal activities done for personal enjoyment and recreation purposes. I think Len, in all fairness, that this is a point that you are missing by not being directly involved with this "hobby". The very essence when all is stripped away is that you need someone to communicate with lest we would all be shortwave listeners .... ergo help the other fellow or at best don't interfere with his enjoyment. As to the "service" word in Title 47, C.F.R., if you ask the FCC they will tell you it is "a regulatory term denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated." It does NOT imply some grandiose "national service" at all. Ah, but "the FCC says so" say many, not understanding what the FCC is saying...and then they get all confused when I point out other services such as the Citizens Band Radio SERVICE, the Radio Control Radio SERVICE, the Family Radio SERVICE and so forth. It's in Title 47 in nearly every Part. Again no problem with description as mentioned before ... Now, some folks seem to be tuckered out by all the lifting of THEIR emotional baggage, at the use of "certain words" and "certain phrases." In here lots seem to be carrying very OLD baggage, complete with those stickers from olden times as if they were there (even though they couldn't have) plastered all over that "baggage." Sorry, the boat don't go there no more. Time travel to "happier times" hasn't been invented yet. Twern't no such place ever .... FCC rules and regulations apply to time NOW and there's lots more citizens of the U. S. of A. who MIGHT be interested in a radio license and have much more modern "baggage" without all those old-time travel stickers on it. I would have to agree especially with the MIGHT part .... Old-timers do NOT "own" the hobby despite what they think and shout and demand. Na Len ....not an owner just a renter on the spectrum of life .... Some folks get a big kick out of being "re-enactors" of every- thing from midieval life to the American Civil War. Fine. If that's what makes them happy, I say "have fun" and go for it. But, trying to ENFORCE such "re-enactment" by keeping hard and fast rules in LAW to freeze an activity in old, outmoded standards and practices goes beyond the reasonable. Resonable ...I guess that is dependent on whose ox is being tested for what ..... for now it is regs that exist ....as I have said before I will not rent my clothes and pour ash on my head when 5 WPM goes .... there are a lot better things to do ... LAW applies to ALL, not just a bunch of old-timers trying to re-enact a time when most of them did not exist. The future cannot be eliminated by mere legislation holding it static. Take care Len .... Tom KI3R In the world of toil and sin ..... your head grows bare but not your chin ... Burma Shave |
garigue wrote: In the world of toil and sin ..... your head grows bare but not your chin ... Burma Shave Ben met Anna Made a hit Neglected beard Ben-Anna split He used a match To check gas tank That's why they call him, Skinless Frank Said Juliet To Romeo If you won't shave Go homeo.. Speed was high Curve was sharp White robe, halo Wings and harp Trains don't wander All over the map 'Cause no one sits On the engineer's lap He had the ring He had the flat She felt his chin And that was that Stop at crossings If you'd be spared Trains don't whistle Because they're scared 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote in message oups.com... garigue wrote: In the world of toil and sin ..... your head grows bare but not your chin ... Burma Shave Ben met Anna Made a hit Neglected beard Ben-Anna split He used a match To check gas tank That's why they call him, Skinless Frank Said Juliet To Romeo If you won't shave Go homeo.. Speed was high Curve was sharp White robe, halo Wings and harp Trains don't wander All over the map 'Cause no one sits On the engineer's lap He had the ring He had the flat She felt his chin And that was that Stop at crossings If you'd be spared Trains don't whistle Because they're scared 73 de Jim, N2EY I knew it ...I knew it ....that would bring some out of the wood work ...... Good ones Jim ...now Len can add this to his off topic list ..... They bring back a lot of good memories from the back seat of my dad's 50 Merc .... as a kid that is ..... 73 Jim Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa |
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