John Smith wrote:

I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a lot
longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger and
more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled old
hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the cliff...


John, you are showing signs of being an ageist.

A person's ability to do a job is not specifically related to their
age. That is an old paradigm.

In fact, in the technical fields, there is a dramatic lack of young
Americans.

So if the geezers have that "death grip" on the reins removed, there
likely won't be anyone to take it up.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in other
places too--we have nothing to worry about."

I find that similar to, "Well, the neighbors paper wasn't
delivered--same as ours. And, their toilet is plugged up--just like
ours, nothing to worry about."

And, that is EXACTLY a very-good example of why I say younger minds need
to be called to play here--with more energy and willing to face up to
truths and take on these problems.

John

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...


John Smith wrote:

I suppose everyone has something to say...

We are experiencing a time in our history where people are living a
lot longer than they ever used to--and in better health.

This is causing a problem in how to get them moved aside so younger
and more capable minds can grab the reins. However, those grizzled
old hands hands have a death-grip while the buggy heads for the
cliff...


John, you are showing signs of being an ageist.

A person's ability to do a job is not specifically related to their
age. That is an old paradigm.

In fact, in the technical fields, there is a dramatic lack of young
Americans.

So if the geezers have that "death grip" on the reins removed, there
likely won't be anyone to take it up.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in other
places too--we have nothing to worry about."

I find that similar to, "Well, the neighbors paper wasn't
delivered--same as ours. And, their toilet is plugged up--just like
ours, nothing to worry about."

And, that is EXACTLY a very-good example of why I say younger minds need
to be called to play here--with more energy and willing to face up to
truths and take on these problems.

Good plan. At least your newspaper might be delivered and your toilet
might work.

Dave K8MN

John Smith wrote:
Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in other
places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it isn't
going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am quoting...

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation of
his thinking...

.... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:
it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

That was nothing I ever said. Is quoting things I never said proper?

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am quoting...

That isn't how quotes work. I don't quote myself, save when I look up
something I wrote or said earlier.

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation of
his thinking...

No need for interpretation needed, as far as I can see.

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...


What personal attack, John Smith?

If you interpret my responses as a personal attack, then what on earth
are *your* missives?

But if that is how ya are, okay. I can quite botherin' ya.

- Mike KB3EIA -



John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

John Smith wrote:

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike:

Let me break this to you gently, what you have to say is just not
important in the whole scheme of things--a year from now we will see
what we all feel as whole--after debate and argument...

I didn't come here for you to teach me english--rant on if you
must--just know it is ignored...

No, there is little need for interpretation of what you say, it is
obvious:
1) there is no problem
2) even if a problem exists--no reason to worry
3) we need not do anything
4) I (Mike, meaning YOU) am happy, everyone else shut up and go away
5) status quo is all which matters
6) etc, etc, etc

I don't make personal attacks--however, if the truth offends someone, so
be it...

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

That was nothing I ever said. Is quoting things I never said proper?

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am
quoting...

That isn't how quotes work. I don't quote myself, save when I look up
something I wrote or said earlier.

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation
of his thinking...

No need for interpretation needed, as far as I can see.

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all
you are about is personal attacks and not about any real
discussion--to which you supply another personal attack as if that
doesn't prove my point.... get a clue.... you constantly
demonstrate that you are self-serving and into attacking any person
who presents any part of the problem--since you benefit from the
existing problem...


What personal attack, John Smith?

If you interpret my responses as a personal attack, then what on earth
are *your* missives?

But if that is how ya are, okay. I can quite botherin' ya.

- Mike KB3EIA -



John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

John Smith wrote:

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Mike:

Let me break this to you gently, what you have to say is just not
important in the whole scheme of things--a year from now we will see what
we all feel as whole--after debate and argument...

I didn't come here for you to teach me english--rant on if you must--just
know it is ignored...

No, there is little need for interpretation of what you say, it is
obvious:
1) there is no problem
2) even if a problem exists--no reason to worry
3) we need not do anything
4) I (Mike, meaning YOU) am happy, everyone else shut up and go away
5) status quo is all which matters
6) etc, etc, etc

I don't make personal attacks--however, if the truth offends someone, so
be it...

John


However looking in the wrong places for solutions won't solve the problem
either.

You want to repeat solutions that haven't worked.

You ignore the concept that the average age of our entire population is
rising.

You ignore the idea that radio will only appeal to certain types of people.

You ignore the fact that many people simply don't know about ham radio.

You ignore the fact that all hobby activities are having trouble getting new
members because now everyone is split over more activities than ever before
and that it's not unique to ham radio.

You think one "magic bullet" (eliminating the code test) will fix the
problem.

Changing the testing requirements are highly unlikely to cause a significant
impact because they do not address the main issues.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Mike:

I say to you, "This is a proper quote."
I have said in the past, "This is a proper quote."
I will say in the future, "This is a proper quote."

If you would ask me about the weather, I would say, "It is hot."

I think, "You are a self-centered person who cannot see further than you
ancient nose."

I believe your philosophy is, "To hell with the younger people... all
they are good for is to morse with me and keep my old butt company."

I say the world if for the living and we all will soon be dead, I think
I hear you saying, "I am all which matters."

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
it is proper to quote anything which has been said...

That was nothing I ever said. Is quoting things I never said proper?

I would think it is obvious it is what I am saying that I am
quoting...

That isn't how quotes work. I don't quote myself, save when I look up
something I wrote or said earlier.

I am asking a question, and giving what I hear as the interpretation
of his thinking...

No need for interpretation needed, as far as I can see.

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all
you are about is personal attacks and not about any real
discussion--to which you supply another personal attack as if that
doesn't prove my point.... get a clue.... you constantly
demonstrate that you are self-serving and into attacking any person
who presents any part of the problem--since you benefit from the
existing problem...


What personal attack, John Smith?

If you interpret my responses as a personal attack, then what on earth
are *your* missives?

But if that is how ya are, okay. I can quite botherin' ya.

- Mike KB3EIA -



John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

John Smith wrote:

Michael:

So, your logic goes something like this, "That problem exists in
other places too--we have nothing to worry about."

Quotes even!

I don't recall saying "we have nothing to worry about"

We do, and ham radio is waay down on the list of problems that occur
due to the lack of US citizens going for technical careers. And it
isn't going to be fixed by Ham radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...

Looks like you are the one that just dosen't get it johnnyboy. The older
generation isn't just a bunch of usless people taking up space here on
this earth as you seem to think. It seems you are the self-serving one,
you don't want to be bothered by anyone older than you, you seem to
think you have all the answers. Got news for you johnnyboy, you don't,
many of that older generation you seem to despise quite often know more
than you ever will.