Alun L. Palmer wrote:
wrote in
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Alun L. Palmer wrote:

wrote in
egroups.com:

This is because the US hams have to transmit in the BC band.

That isn't correct. U.S. hams are transmitting on the 40m amateur band.
Europeans and other DX are *listening* for the U.S. SSB ops on a BC band.

If the US hams
could transmit outside the broadcast frequencies this wouldn't continue.
The DX works split so that their sigs aren't covered by BC QRM.

That isn't necessarily correct. The sharp, rare ops are operating split
on *any* band if the pileup is huge. That keeps the callers from
covering his sigs.

If the rules are changed so that you can call the DX on their
frequency, they may still decide to work split.

7100-7200 will become worldwide exclusive amateur in a few years. Some
countries outside Region 2 have already opened 7100-7200 to their hams,
and SWBC continues to move out of there.

Yet even if we eventually get 7000-7300 worldwide exclusive amateur,
the DX will probably still work split.


They will if there are still broadcasters in 7150-7200, which there may
well be.

It'll happen whether broadcasters are there or not.


The hams who use Morse, that is. Have you noticed that almost all
on-air-behavior-related FCC enforcement actions are for alleged
violations using *voice* modes?


I guess no-one caught that guy who used to send ..-. ..- -.-. - .- on
repeaters around here

Guess not!

Do you think the number of hams doing similar things on voice is more
or less than those doing such stuff with Morse Code?

73 de Jim, N2EY



I don't think the lack of this behaviour on CW has much to do with pure
motives, but nore to do with a lack of audience.

So, hams using SSB act up because they think they'll be likely to have a
non-ham audience? That doesn't compute.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Alun L. Palmer wrote:


If the US hams
could transmit outside the broadcast frequencies this wouldn't continue.
The DX works split so that their sigs aren't covered by BC QRM.

That isn't necessarily correct. The sharp, rare ops are operating split
on *any* band if the pileup is huge. That keeps the callers from
covering his sigs.

"Treachery, experience and a hundred watts beats a nitwit with two
gallons every time."


It'll happen whether broadcasters are there or not.

Has been for decades. Now that SWBC biz is fading a bit and they're
moving out of the band working split actually makes even more sense.

It occurs to me that an argument could be presented about what us dxers
do on 40 phone as a matter of standard operating practices is not the
point the way Alun views the matter. Alun isn't interested in dxing
which is OK, all he wants to do is go peacfully ragchewing with, say,
one of his G-land chums. Who is calling CQ on 7.090 and there isn't a
pileup in sight. Alun can't get the guy's attention because the guy
isn't listening up the band for statesiders so Alun climbs into this
venue and mumbles, whines, groans and bitches about not being able to
chat with the G because po' Alun is stuck in bloody U.S. phone band and
can't xcv with his chum.

Does not flush. Go back a few years ago in the timeframe when I had the
Big Wire fed by my silly little TS-50 HF mobile xcvr which I had up and
running for the 40M RRAP CW Net exercise. The hoot to end all hoots.

I digress as usual. I happened to hear an EI8 with a decent SSB sig
yakking close to 7.100 with some station who was too weak for me to
copy. I set his freq on VFO A then fished around the band above 7.150
for a reasonably clear freq with VFO B and found one around 7.235 as I
recall. Paddled out a quick "QSX 7235 de W3RV? K" on his freq. "W3RV
stand by" with a brouge ya could cut with a knife. Which I did and
switched the TS-50 to LSB split and sat back while he finished with the
weak Euro and called me. Turned out to be a very enjoyable one hour
ragchew.

As if there's anything new about any of it. How many times David . . .
?

.. . .

Dave K8MN

w3rv

Dave Heil wrote:
Alun L. Palmer wrote:


If the US hams
could transmit outside the broadcast frequencies this wouldn't continue.
The DX works split so that their sigs aren't covered by BC QRM.

That isn't necessarily correct. The sharp, rare ops are operating split
on *any* band if the pileup is huge. That keeps the callers from
covering his sigs.

"Treachery, experience and a hundred watts beats a nitwit with two
gallons every time."

It'll happen whether broadcasters are there or not.

Has been for decades. Now that SWBC biz is fading a bit and they're
moving out of the band too working split actually makes even more
sense.

It occurs to me that an argument could be presented about what us dxers
do on 40 phone as a matter of standard operating practices is not the
point the way Alun views the matter. Alun isn't interested in dxing
which is OK, all he wants to do is go peacfully ragchewing with, say,
one of his G-land chums. Who is calling CQ on 7.090 and there isn't a
pileup in sight. Alun can't get the guy's attention because the guy
isn't listening up the band for statesiders so Alun climbs into this
venue and mumbles, whines, groans and bitches about not being able to
chat with the G because po' Alun is stuck in the bloody U.S. phone band
and can't xcv with his chum.

Does not flush. Go back a few years ago in the timeframe when I had the
Big Wire fed by my silly little TS-50 HF mobile xcvr which I had up and
running for the 40M RRAP CW Net exercise. The hoot to end all hoots.

I digress as usual. I happened to hear an EI8 with a decent SSB sig
yakking close to 7.100 with some station who was too weak for me to
copy. I set his freq on VFO A then fished around the band above 7.150
for a reasonably clear freq with VFO B and found one around 7.235 as I
recall. Paddled out a quick "QSX 7235 de W3RV? K" on his freq. "W3RV
stand by" with a brouge ya could cut with a knife. Which I did and
switched the TS-50 to LSB split and sat back while he finished with the
weak Euro and called me. Turned out to be a very enjoyable one hour
ragchew.

As if there's anything new about any of it. How many times David . . .
?

.. . .

Dave K8MN

w3rv

Dave Heil wrote:
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
wrote in
ups.com:

Alun L. Palmer wrote:

wrote in
egroups.com:

This is because the US hams have to transmit in the BC band.

That isn't correct. U.S. hams are transmitting on the 40m amateur band.
Europeans and other DX are *listening* for the U.S. SSB ops on a BC band.

You are so clever.

If the US hams
could transmit outside the broadcast frequencies this wouldn't continue.
The DX works split so that their sigs aren't covered by BC QRM.

That isn't necessarily correct. The sharp, rare ops are operating split
on *any* band if the pileup is huge. That keeps the callers from
covering his sigs.

You would think.

If the rules are changed so that you can call the DX on their
frequency, they may still decide to work split.

7100-7200 will become worldwide exclusive amateur in a few years. Some
countries outside Region 2 have already opened 7100-7200 to their hams,
and SWBC continues to move out of there.

Yet even if we eventually get 7000-7300 worldwide exclusive amateur,
the DX will probably still work split.

They will if there are still broadcasters in 7150-7200, which there may
well be.

It'll happen whether broadcasters are there or not.

DX101

The hams who use Morse, that is. Have you noticed that almost all
on-air-behavior-related FCC enforcement actions are for alleged
violations using *voice* modes?

I guess no-one caught that guy who used to send ..-. ..- -.-. - .- on
repeaters around here

Guess not!

Do you think the number of hams doing similar things on voice is more
or less than those doing such stuff with Morse Code?

73 de Jim, N2EY

I don't think the lack of this behaviour on CW has much to do with pure
motives, but nore to do with a lack of audience.

So, hams using SSB act up because they think they'll be likely to have a
non-ham audience? That doesn't compute.

Dave K8MN

He didn't say, "non-ham audience," did he? Why did you?