an_old_friend wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...
In reading the newsgroup lately I get the impression that the the
relitvely new 60 band does NOT premit Morse Encoded CW in at least
some region of the band.

Is my impression corect.


The 60 meter band is USB voice only. NO form of digital or other non-voice
is allowed.

Thanks for the info

interesting that a band rquiring code testing forbids code use

That "band" is shared with non-Amateur users both federal and
civil.

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research), the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

Read the regs and be enlightened...Or is reading "not in
vogue"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

In reading the newsgroup lately I get the impression that the the
relitvely new 60 band does NOT premit Morse Encoded CW in at least
some region of the band.

Is my impression corect.

The 60 meter band is USB voice only. NO form of digital or other non-voice
is allowed.

Thanks for the info

interesting that a band rquiring code testing forbids code use

That "band" is shared with non-Amateur users both federal and
civil.

Don't they know the code? I thought the original reason to learn Morse
Code was because other users could understand and communicate i.e., get
off my frequency, with amateurs.

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

Must be why he said, "interesting that a band rquiring code testing
forbids code use." Too bad you missed it.

Read the regs and be enlightened...Or is reading "not in
vogue"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Read the post and be enlightened, instead of going off on yet another
Robeson rant.

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

In reading the newsgroup lately I get the impression that the the
relitvely new 60 band does NOT premit Morse Encoded CW in at least
some region of the band.

Is my impression corect.

The 60 meter band is USB voice only. NO form of digital or other non-voice
is allowed.

Thanks for the info

interesting that a band rquiring code testing forbids code use

That "band" is shared with non-Amateur users both federal and
civil.

Yes I realize that so?


Don't they know the code? I thought the original reason to learn Morse
Code was because other users could understand and communicate i.e., get
off my frequency, with amateurs.

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands


Must be why he said, "interesting that a band rquiring code testing
forbids code use." Too bad you missed it.

Read the regs and be enlightened...Or is reading "not in
vogue"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Read the post and be enlightened, instead of going off on yet another
Robeson rant.

an_old_friend wrote:
Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

break

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

you sure it requires even a Ham License I had heard ANY could us the
Alaska freq


FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:

an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not

Yes, it does.

it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Uh huh....Which are...?!?!

BELOW 30MHZ ! ! ! ! !

QUICK, MARKIE! REVIEW TIME!

What are the four exceptions that allow a "Technician" to act as
control operator of an Amateur Radio station below 30MHz...?!?!?

And WHAT common thread do each of those exceptions have in common
with the present Novice, General, Advanced and Extra class licensees?

Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

Techs can use Morse Code on HF, too. But hey, I thought YOU
insisted that SOMEone has chased all the Techs away...?!?!

Another QuiteWrongLie it seems.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:

an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

he doesn't mind

BTW nobody gotta love Stevie just because you say so


b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden


The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more


There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

grow up


FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not

Yes, it does.

nope

it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Uh huh....Which are...?!?!

well known to you. till they are avalable to me I'll not bother to
learn


BELOW 30MHZ ! ! ! ! !

So what


QUICK, MARKIE! REVIEW TIME!

What are the four exceptions that allow a "Technician" to act as
control operator of an Amateur Radio station below 30MHz...?!?!?

none that apply to me

and what I think you are referring isbad decision of the FCCto end
thech vs thech plus license

hopefully that mistake will be fixed


And WHAT common thread do each of those exceptions have in common
with the present Novice, General, Advanced and Extra class licensees?

so?


Now on to turth

Nothing prevents the FCC from allowing hambands anywhere in the
spectrum and assigning them to Tech class, and allowing techs without
code tests to use them

NOTHING but tradition perhaps


Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

Techs can use Morse Code on HF, too. But hey, I thought YOU
insisted that SOMEone has chased all the Techs away...?!?!

indeed he has you chase them away not all stay away

Another QuiteWrongLie it seems.

nope


Steve, K4YZ

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:

an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

he doesn't mind

I've cashed government checks made out to "Brain." I think they're on
to something.

BTW nobody gotta love Stevie just because you say so

Few could love Steve. My best guess is his overdominant mother. His
wife probably hangs around for his VA disability check.

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

Not so fast. Where is Steve's apology to Mark for making false
accusations of stupidity, and getting the "below 30MHz" wrong???

Fess up Steve. You got it ALL wrong. Admit it. Apologize.

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

The gears of tyranny usually turn slowly.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

grow up

Impossible. One of Steve's personalities is related to Dick Clark,
America's oldest teenager.

FYI...Since you've been in a time warp (and obviously enjoy making
a fool out of yourself rather than use a search engine to do some
research),

You're the one who made the mistake then attacked Mark over it. Makes
you the idiot.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not

Yes, it does.

nope

Sorry. Except in the 5.170MHz/Alaska provision that I cited, it does.

it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Uh huh....Which are...?!?!

well known to you. till they are avalable to me I'll not bother to
learn

160, 80/75, 60, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10M.

BELOW 30MHZ ! ! ! ! !

So what

I've already verified Robber's Sons wrongness. No need to go rubbing
his nose in it. And it wouldn't matter anyway. He's a brown noser
from the gitgo! The smell never changes.

QUICK, MARKIE! REVIEW TIME!

What are the four exceptions that allow a "Technician" to act as
control operator of an Amateur Radio station below 30MHz...?!?!?

none that apply to me

and what I think you are referring isbad decision of the FCCto end
thech vs thech plus license

hopefully that mistake will be fixed

And WHAT common thread do each of those exceptions have in common
with the present Novice, General, Advanced and Extra class licensees?

so?

Now on to turth

Nothing prevents the FCC from allowing hambands anywhere in the
spectrum and assigning them to Tech class, and allowing techs without
code tests to use them

NOTHING but tradition perhaps

The gears of tyranny turn slowly.

Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

Techs can use Morse Code on HF, too. But hey, I thought YOU
insisted that SOMEone has chased all the Techs away...?!?!

indeed he has you chase them away not all stay away

A Tech can use morse code on HF with a General, Advanced, or Extra
control operator at his/her side.

Another QuiteWrongLie it seems.

nope

Robber's Son can't be wrong. You must accept his flaws.

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:

an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

he doesn't mind

Sure he does.

BTW nobody gotta love Stevie just because you say so

And where did I say so, Markie?

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden

(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.

(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

So what?

Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?

There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more

Sure there is.

YOU need to read how it's worded.

The international treat gives individual administrations the
OPTION of requiring code testing.

Guess what...?!?!

The United States is in compliance with the treaty.

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.

(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.

so he should have defunct provision

What? Huh?

grow up

I have. And someday you will too. But not today, apparently.

the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.

No it does not

Yes, it does.

nope

Oh?

Markie...You're either disagreeing for arguments sake, or you are
again demonstrating your absolute ignorance of United States policy as
it pertains to the Amateur Radio service.

Or just lying again.

it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands

Uh huh....Which are...?!?!

well known to you. till they are avalable to me I'll not bother to
learn

So...Got slapped around and now you gonna schlep away with your
tail between your legs!

BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! !

BELOW 30MHZ ! ! ! ! !

So what

So you're patently wrong again.

QUICK, MARKIE! REVIEW TIME!

What are the four exceptions that allow a "Technician" to act as
control operator of an Amateur Radio station below 30MHz...?!?!?

none that apply to me

Absolutely correct.

and what I think you are referring isbad decision of the FCCto end
thech vs thech plus license

They only eneded their admistrative tracking of it. The license,
in practice, still exisits.

hopefully that mistake will be fixed

The FCC has clarly demonstrated that they are all about "less"
regulation and administrative burden...not more.

And WHAT common thread do each of those exceptions have in common
with the present Novice, General, Advanced and Extra class licensees?

so?

"so?" was the wrong answer. You lose.

Now on to turth

Turth? Is that near Intercourse, Pennsylvania?

Nothing prevents the FCC from allowing hambands anywhere in the
spectrum and assigning them to Tech class, and allowing techs without
code tests to use them

NOTHING but tradition perhaps

And nothing but it's current policy that takes advantage of treaty
language that gives administrations the priviledge of determining their
own course.

I DO agree that the FCC COULD have immediately enacted interim
"policy" that could have allowed licensees who pass the higher class
WRITTEN exams to exercise those privileges without the benefit of
passing Element 1 until it had been "officially" dealt with.

But they didn't, so it's still here. Oh well.

Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.

Techs can use Morse Code on HF, too. But hey, I thought YOU
insisted that SOMEone has chased all the Techs away...?!?!

indeed he has you chase them away not all stay away

I haven't chased anyone away, Markie. My VHF log has many, many
NCT's on 6 and 2M SSB.

Another QuiteWrongLie it seems.

nope

Yep.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ (idiot savante) wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet

Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...

Only Robber's Son would enjoy making fun of a disabled person's
disability.

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Also, (is this guy REALLY this stupid...?!?!) the "60 meter band"
DOES fall below 30Mhz, Markie.

Actually, you are. He is the one who stated, "interesting that a band
rquiring code testing forbids code use." Morse Code testing is for
"below 30MHz."

well said

The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have

Why?

The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.

No treaty issues anymore. So why not?

There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.

Several points:

(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...

I can handle either. Would you like to attempt a hertz conversion?

I've got a pretty good memory (and can remember most of your lies), and
it was previously posted in Part 97 as 5.170 MHz.

The regs have been rewritten to allow for people who don't understand
the bandwidth of an J3E or R3E emission. Congratulations. You
qualify.

Don't believe me? Ask amateur historian Jim.

However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety.

Yes, that's what I said, "There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the
top of my head, that all amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for
emergencies."

Thanks for your unnecessary confirmation. You're Extra special.

A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of any treaty.

No stretch. It was the law. This provision has been in place since
I've been an amateur (Jan 87), and don't know how far back it goes.
Clearly a violation of S25 as No Code Techs were authorized to use it.
The frequency was below 30MHz. No Code Techs (obviously) didn't have
to show any proficiency in Morse Code. I think that pretty much
unravels up your claim of stretch. It was a clear violation. Robber's
Son desperate attempts fail to make an issue. bb prevails.

And it could easily be rewritten to read all licensed stations on U.S.
soil, and within 200nm offshore. No?