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Dee:
Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
As I often said in the past 5 years, when FCC wrote that code testing served no regulatory purpose other than treaty compliance, the deal was essentially done. The amazing thing was that it's taken two years to get this far. More likely it took that long because the FCC had more important stuff to deal with. They didn't ban Morse Code. They just dropped the license test for it. CW will survive anyway. We ought to start CW training nets to get hams to get into CW. Use the old novice subbands for it. Sure, you'll hear lots of bad sending at first, but people will improve over time. |
When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. "Technical" is still covered in the written tests. Aside from no more CW test, "operational" still has a few questions in the writtens. Oh, people newly licensed will make newbie errors, but most people are smart enough to soon spot and correct such errors. Remember that 14.313 was that way back in the days of 13wpm generals... And that HF didn't go down the toilet after Restructuring 2000 happened. |
wrote in message oups.com... wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically, actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any other path? This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done deal. I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago. With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC "restructuring" brainfart. Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good: Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv Rest assured the FCC is going to do whatever is easiest for THEM. There may be a upward surge of new "Ultra Lite Extra's" (Did I really say that???).....and in a short time the bands will still sound deserted. There is a lot more at work here then just dropping CW. Check out the bands lately? Where are all those new "light" hams anyway? Danged if I can find them. All you that gloat over losing one of the glues that hold/held ham radio together will rue this day. And no I'm not a stuck in the mud, cw only operator, I just see the hand writing on the wall. Lennie is happy now. He can sneak over to a test session and get his General...... Dan/W4NTI |
Try 30 meters, good CW band.
Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically, actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any other path? As I often said in the past 5 years, when FCC wrote that code testing served no regulatory purpose other than treaty compliance, the deal was essentially done. The amazing thing was that it's taken two years to get this far. This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done deal. I'll comment, like always. I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Got my antenna back up last night (had to take it down Sunday for the new siding to go on the house). 40 was full of CW signals. Nice chat with a VE2 on 7031. Life is good. I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago. With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC "restructuring" brainfart. Exactly. Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good: Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out. bwaahaahaa 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ May not be all that far removed from reality there Steve. Dan/W4NTI |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Steve, So far (cross fingers) cw is legal *anywhere* in the ham bands (other than, I believe, 60 meters) so long as one's license class permits transmitting. I have, in the past, found it an excellent way of confounding someone who jumps on me (of course, that was when all amateurs had some ability on cw - a minimum of 13 words per minute on hf in the voice bands). Funny thing how Mike, W2OY's killerwatt couldn't touch my 75 watts LOL. Even funnier was the way his blood pressure was going up whilst I continued a nice contact with Ohio despite his best efforts. Both the other guy and I could handle cw quite well. After a number of "qrq" sent back and fourth, we were humming along at a nice rate, neither pushing speed limits nor plodding along. It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 45 words per minute and we continued for a good half hour more. Every now and then, I'd open the rx bandwidth to hear Mike screaming "take those toys down into the cw band". Sure, Mike, just don't hold your breath. snort 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA So that's why Mike was up on his tower.....putting up a better 3.805 antenna...hi. Dan/W4NTI |
So you are advocating the illegal jerks that got nailed (rightfully so) to
now get the freebee give away new ham ticket right? Then come onto the ham bands and act in a same or worse manner against those that find following the rules a good thing? Right? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... In one way, I can picture it being a "sad day." One of the posts here pointed out this possibility to me. For decades now a few of the guys (hams) here in my local area have terrorized CB'ers and freebanders. Invoking the FCC to send countless notices and confiscate equip and linears on a quite frequent basis. And, even two truck stops in the area have been favorite "hunting grounds" for these guys. Can you imagine the retaliation which is going to be spun against those hams which have been so inclined? The term "repaid in spades" occurs to me. I imagine some may forsake the hobby for other pursuits, or move to another area! Thank gawd I have always had enough common sense to practice the "good neighbor policy!" grin John wrote in message oups.com... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc 73 de Jim, N2EY Hello, Jim Is the glass half empty or half full? I look at it this way: we will always know where to head for an interesting chat with someone knowlegeable. We'll know where to head to avoid profanity. We'll know where to head to avoid interference and folks screaming "AUDIOOOOOOO"/ We'll head for the cw bands. ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I really feel sorry for the stations outside of conus. They are really going to hate us now. Dan/W4NTI |
Remember that 14.313 was that way back in the days of 13wpm generals... And that HF didn't go down the toilet after Restructuring 2000 happened. Yep Bob it is not the end of western civilization as we know it ...that will come when we will get a work any where with an any mode structure. I really can't see the need for this to happen but it will. At present there are loads of bandwidth out there that are not being utilized. Anyone who has been on the air over the last 20 years can see the decline in usage of CW and I may also add phone. This is just the way it is ...all one has to do is to look with in 3 feet of them and they will find the answer. The computer has been an adjunct to ham radio and a very interesting one at that but it also has swept ops off of the bands. We will survive in one form or another ...progress is progress or so it seems. I am sure that there will be someone 2-300 yrs from now on CW ....it is just to eloquent to simply dry up and blow away. Back to 40 CW and my state of the art EICO 723. Take care everyone ..... KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. |
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http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi to file a comment. The proceeding number is "05-235". I did my comment, I said "Do it". |
robert:
Yes, in fact you should get ready for the flood of anxious cw'ers... I'd go there now and wait if I were you, and wait, and wait, and wait... grin .... don't kid yourself. John "robert casey" wrote in message nk.net... As I often said in the past 5 years, when FCC wrote that code testing served no regulatory purpose other than treaty compliance, the deal was essentially done. The amazing thing was that it's taken two years to get this far. More likely it took that long because the FCC had more important stuff to deal with. They didn't ban Morse Code. They just dropped the license test for it. CW will survive anyway. We ought to start CW training nets to get hams to get into CW. Use the old novice subbands for it. Sure, you'll hear lots of bad sending at first, but people will improve over time. |
Dan:
I don't think you an idiot yet, don't make me re-evaluate my opinion by attacking me in a "girly-man maneuver" and attempting to put words in my mouth. I advocate nothing. Being a student of human nature, I am betting it will happen! John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... So you are advocating the illegal jerks that got nailed (rightfully so) to now get the freebee give away new ham ticket right? Then come onto the ham bands and act in a same or worse manner against those that find following the rules a good thing? Right? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... In one way, I can picture it being a "sad day." One of the posts here pointed out this possibility to me. For decades now a few of the guys (hams) here in my local area have terrorized CB'ers and freebanders. Invoking the FCC to send countless notices and confiscate equip and linears on a quite frequent basis. And, even two truck stops in the area have been favorite "hunting grounds" for these guys. Can you imagine the retaliation which is going to be spun against those hams which have been so inclined? The term "repaid in spades" occurs to me. I imagine some may forsake the hobby for other pursuits, or move to another area! Thank gawd I have always had enough common sense to practice the "good neighbor policy!" grin John wrote in message oups.com... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... wrote in message oups.com... wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically, actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any other path? This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done deal. I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago. With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC "restructuring" brainfart. Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good: Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv Rest assured the FCC is going to do whatever is easiest for THEM. There may be a upward surge of new "Ultra Lite Extra's" (Did I really say that???).....and in a short time the bands will still sound deserted. There is a lot more at work here then just dropping CW. Check out the bands lately? Where are all those new "light" hams anyway? Danged if I can find them. All you that gloat over losing one of the glues that hold/held ham radio together will rue this day. And no I'm not a stuck in the mud, cw only operator, I just see the hand writing on the wall. Lennie is happy now. He can sneak over to a test session and get his General...... Dan/W4NTI Dollars to donuts that he comes up with another excuse not to. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee:
You have done it again. Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings... grin John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You have done it again. Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings... grin John All you have to do is keep in mind that I am an engineer. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee:
I am quite serious. Look over all the posts here. I see where most here are rather anti-social, they don't have much ability to get along well with "other children." Frankly, I would be hard pressed to present the group here as a good reason to enter the hobby of amateur radio and to enjoy an exchange of spoken and mental ideas with others... I include myself in that appraisal also, as I have been direct and to the point also... to do less would seem a waste of time, both theirs and mine... Indeed, some may even be able to see why the Chicken Band is preferable some of the time... still, I am hoping the right people can and will change all that--that is what we are really talking about, and these guys know it, and fear it! John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... wrote in message oups.com... wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically, actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any other path? This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done deal. I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago. With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC "restructuring" brainfart. Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good: Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv Rest assured the FCC is going to do whatever is easiest for THEM. There may be a upward surge of new "Ultra Lite Extra's" (Did I really say that???).....and in a short time the bands will still sound deserted. There is a lot more at work here then just dropping CW. Check out the bands lately? Where are all those new "light" hams anyway? Danged if I can find them. All you that gloat over losing one of the glues that hold/held ham radio together will rue this day. And no I'm not a stuck in the mud, cw only operator, I just see the hand writing on the wall. Lennie is happy now. He can sneak over to a test session and get his General...... Dan/W4NTI Dollars to donuts that he comes up with another excuse not to. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Jim: Well friend, you have been isolated. Out here in the real world kids are cussing like sailors in grade school, 11 year old girls are actively seeking to become pregnant, drugs are much more prevalent than ever in the 60's and 70's. The only areas where cussing is not seen is churches... Whether you like it or not reality has changed... You have hidden from the real world on 160m for far too long, and since you have not joined the real world, the real world now comes to you... Get over it, for at least the near future, things are NOT going the way most of us like--the answer to this is not setting aside 160m for ancient old men to hide in... John Hello, John Not isolated; simply realistic. We are either going to learn to live together or we will die together. I haven't been on 160 meters since 1966. You are correct about the 11 year olds. We've had something like 100 shootings in Rochester so far this year. May I assume from your post that you like the brave new world .... ? I'm not for forcing folks to use cw; I'm simply pointing out that many folks are ignoring certain facts. Yep, I'm connected on 3 megabaud DSL. I can send a picture so fast .... so long as something else (in this case a camera) put the information in the computer first. Hey, I can cut and paste and forward very easily. I've caught kids making mistakes, even with a calculator, when making change. One kid had to get the manager to figure it out when she punched a button showing I paid exact change (no, I gave her a twenty for a purchase a bit over $12.00). I watched the manager show her how to fix it. Um ... $21.00? No, I don't think so. He pushed a few more buttons. Over $32.00? I finally suggested that he clear the whole thing and try again. Meanwhile, I knew exactly what my change should have been. Another kid at the pharmacy one time made the same error. He ran it on a calculator and gave me my change. I gave him a penny and told him to hold on to it as his drawer was going to be short one cent (assuming he didn't screw up another order in a different column). Obviously, you feel that not only should folks not learn The Calculus, they shouldn't even have to add and subtract since a calculator can do that for them. More jobs for India and China. Many thanks, however, for a good chuckle. Enjoy life whilst there is anything left after Bush spent it all and everyone is clueless :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Steve, So far (cross fingers) cw is legal *anywhere* in the ham bands (other than, I believe, 60 meters) so long as one's license class permits transmitting. I have, in the past, found it an excellent way of confounding someone who jumps on me (of course, that was when all amateurs had some ability on cw - a minimum of 13 words per minute on hf in the voice bands). Funny thing how Mike, W2OY's killerwatt couldn't touch my 75 watts LOL. Even funnier was the way his blood pressure was going up whilst I continued a nice contact with Ohio despite his best efforts. Both the other guy and I could handle cw quite well. After a number of "qrq" sent back and fourth, we were humming along at a nice rate, neither pushing speed limits nor plodding along. It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 45 words per minute and we continued for a good half hour more. Every now and then, I'd open the rx bandwidth to hear Mike screaming "take those toys down into the cw band". Sure, Mike, just don't hold your breath. snort 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA So that's why Mike was up on his tower.....putting up a better 3.805 antenna...hi. Dan/W4NTI Dan, All kidding aside, I heard he had a heart attack whilst on his tower way back when and that is when he cashed in his chips. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
I suppose it is sad from a sentimental point of view. I'll be writing comments to the FCC - in support of the proposal. 73, Dana K6JQ |
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE It came to him via the voices in his head. |
Jim Hampton wrote:
I've caught kids making mistakes, even with a calculator, when making change. One kid had to get the manager to figure it out when she punched a button showing I paid exact change (no, I gave her a twenty for a purchase a bit over $12.00). I watched the manager show her how to fix it. Um ... $21.00? No, I don't think so. He pushed a few more buttons. Over $32.00? I finally suggested that he clear the whole thing and try again. Meanwhile, I knew exactly what my change should have been. Another kid at the pharmacy one time made the same error. He ran it on a calculator and gave me my change. I gave him a penny and told him to hold on to it as his drawer was going to be short one cent (assuming he didn't screw up another order in a different column). The difference between the older and newer generation is, if the new generation does calculations by long hand, then use a calculator to see if their cyphering was correct. The older generation cyphers on a calculator, the does it by long hand to see if the calculator is correct. |
Jim:
No. You make one big mistake if you think I asked for all these changes, or for that matter, find some easy to tolerate. Dumpsters full of aborted fetuses, 14 year old child prostitutes, gangs of murderous thug teenagers, homeless people in masses, child molesters demanding rights, etc, etc...--looks kind of like a third world country if you ask me... CW is a simple thing for me. I never did like it, and still bitched I had to learn it to get a decent license! I have passed a 20 WPM test--and managed NEVER to use it on the bands, if you catch me on CW it will be a code reader/keyboard handling my key--I hate the sound of morse in my ears, I type 80+ words a minute--and can talk more words than both those two sums combined, a minute! Which, I vastly prefer to do (I prefer women to chat with too--you don't have a 45-55 year old sister do ya evil-glint-in-eye?) I simply want more people on am/ssb phone to chat with, as it stands now you will generally only catch me chatting with the aussie gals on HF--if not there, then on CB... In fact, because of the lack of interesting and/or younger people on the bands, I have been on msn chat, yahoo messenger, IRC, etc, etc lately, and of course--here in the newsgroups... One thing I am positive of, amateur radio needs to change just to get me back, let alone new guys/gals into the hobby... I can't say I don't like arguing, but my real goal is a change here. My bark is much worse than my bite, I am here for the long haul (where they haul my coffin off that is, and I'd sooner not be in it!!! But, really can't promise I will be able to pull that trick off... grin) I am actually a friendly type--I don't expect you to be able to tell from our exchanges here... ROFLOL!!! We march on and hold a stiff upper lip--it'll all work out... John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Jim: Well friend, you have been isolated. Out here in the real world kids are cussing like sailors in grade school, 11 year old girls are actively seeking to become pregnant, drugs are much more prevalent than ever in the 60's and 70's. The only areas where cussing is not seen is churches... Whether you like it or not reality has changed... You have hidden from the real world on 160m for far too long, and since you have not joined the real world, the real world now comes to you... Get over it, for at least the near future, things are NOT going the way most of us like--the answer to this is not setting aside 160m for ancient old men to hide in... John Hello, John Not isolated; simply realistic. We are either going to learn to live together or we will die together. I haven't been on 160 meters since 1966. You are correct about the 11 year olds. We've had something like 100 shootings in Rochester so far this year. May I assume from your post that you like the brave new world .... ? I'm not for forcing folks to use cw; I'm simply pointing out that many folks are ignoring certain facts. Yep, I'm connected on 3 megabaud DSL. I can send a picture so fast .... so long as something else (in this case a camera) put the information in the computer first. Hey, I can cut and paste and forward very easily. I've caught kids making mistakes, even with a calculator, when making change. One kid had to get the manager to figure it out when she punched a button showing I paid exact change (no, I gave her a twenty for a purchase a bit over $12.00). I watched the manager show her how to fix it. Um ... $21.00? No, I don't think so. He pushed a few more buttons. Over $32.00? I finally suggested that he clear the whole thing and try again. Meanwhile, I knew exactly what my change should have been. Another kid at the pharmacy one time made the same error. He ran it on a calculator and gave me my change. I gave him a penny and told him to hold on to it as his drawer was going to be short one cent (assuming he didn't screw up another order in a different column). Obviously, you feel that not only should folks not learn The Calculus, they shouldn't even have to add and subtract since a calculator can do that for them. More jobs for India and China. Many thanks, however, for a good chuckle. Enjoy life whilst there is anything left after Bush spent it all and everyone is clueless :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Dee:
Yes, you are indeed a cut above most I have run across, your text reflects that well, what is your engineering degree in? I have a BS in EE and a MS in CS... I keep threatening to complete my doctorate--just so I can make 'em call me "Dr. Smith" innocent-look I have been called a software engineer frequently--but I am just a white hacker at heart... in fact, some can still remember when I was just a barefoot kid with holes in the knees of my blue jeans and a curiosity which dove 'em all nuts! John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You have done it again. Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings... grin John All you have to do is keep in mind that I am an engineer. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Yes, you are indeed a cut above most I have run across, your text reflects that well, what is your engineering degree in? I have a BS in EE and a MS in CS... I keep threatening to complete my doctorate--just so I can make 'em call me "Dr. Smith" innocent-look I have been called a software engineer frequently--but I am just a white hacker at heart... in fact, some can still remember when I was just a barefoot kid with holes in the knees of my blue jeans and a curiosity which dove 'em all nuts! John My degree is in Aerospace Engineering. However, I now work in the automotive industry since the aerospace industry took a major slump a few years ago. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
commander buzzoff:
.... those voices tell me you are a bad man, a very, very bad man... ROFLOL!!! John "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE It came to him via the voices in his head. |
Dee:
Just could explain why all these cars have taken on an "aerodynamic look" to 'em... yes indeed, I think I can see your hand at work here. If fact, now I look closer, some pretty feline lines grace those rigs! grin Just offhand, I'd bet aerospace was much more interesting... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Yes, you are indeed a cut above most I have run across, your text reflects that well, what is your engineering degree in? I have a BS in EE and a MS in CS... I keep threatening to complete my doctorate--just so I can make 'em call me "Dr. Smith" innocent-look I have been called a software engineer frequently--but I am just a white hacker at heart... in fact, some can still remember when I was just a barefoot kid with holes in the knees of my blue jeans and a curiosity which dove 'em all nuts! John My degree is in Aerospace Engineering. However, I now work in the automotive industry since the aerospace industry took a major slump a few years ago. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Jim: No. You make one big mistake if you think I asked for all these changes, or for that matter, find some easy to tolerate. Dumpsters full of aborted fetuses, 14 year old child prostitutes, gangs of murderous thug teenagers, homeless people in masses, child molesters demanding rights, etc, etc...--looks kind of like a third world country if you ask me... CW is a simple thing for me. I never did like it, and still bitched I had to learn it to get a decent license! I have passed a 20 WPM test--and managed NEVER to use it on the bands, if you catch me on CW it will be a code reader/keyboard handling my key--I hate the sound of morse in my ears, I type 80+ words a minute--and can talk more words than both those two sums combined, a minute! Which, I vastly prefer to do (I prefer women to chat with too--you don't have a 45-55 year old sister do ya evil-glint-in-eye?) I simply want more people on am/ssb phone to chat with, as it stands now you will generally only catch me chatting with the aussie gals on HF--if not there, then on CB... In fact, because of the lack of interesting and/or younger people on the bands, I have been on msn chat, yahoo messenger, IRC, etc, etc lately, and of course--here in the newsgroups... One thing I am positive of, amateur radio needs to change just to get me back, let alone new guys/gals into the hobby... I can't say I don't like arguing, but my real goal is a change here. My bark is much worse than my bite, I am here for the long haul (where they haul my coffin off that is, and I'd sooner not be in it!!! But, really can't promise I will be able to pull that trick off... grin) I am actually a friendly type--I don't expect you to be able to tell from our exchanges here... ROFLOL!!! We march on and hold a stiff upper lip--it'll all work out... John Hello, John Actually, I enjoyed your response (did I admit that? For shame! LOL). If you can type 80 words per minute, you'll certainly beat me. My best days, years (and years!) ago, I might have been able to keep an average of 75 or so. I did 65 on the typing test on a manual typewriter in high school after a 1 year business typing course (I can not write or print decently; readable, perhaps, but not well). I must admit to having slowed a tad (not a lot, but a bit) as I've aged. Sigh. I honestly don't know what can or should be changed with amateur radio. If someone is truly interested in it, they will learn and pass the tests. The tests are hardly difficult. Heck, I got a commercial telegraph ticket and never used it. Very difficult technical questions such as "why do you avoid long horizontal sections of waveguide?". Ooops, that was the radar endorsement. Everyone should know that radio waves have to bounce up and down to be reflected. Horizontal doesn't cut it. Right? :))) Common sense dictates about condensation and many of the questions on the radiotelegraph, radio telephone, and amateur tickets are simply common sense. Sure, there are some tougher questions, but common sense will get you through perhaps 1/3 of the exam. With no study. The fact is that between cell phones and the Internet, a lot of kids don't even see why anyone would be interested in radio. Should they not even think about it until they are 12 or 13, then their minds tend to gravitate *very* strongly towards the opposite sex and just about anything else seems unimportant. Been there, worn that T-shirt LOL. I had been bitten, however, around the age of 11 and the radio bug just didn't completely go away (although it did fade quite a bit from time to time). I've seen folks try and start honest threads about what should be done to try and kickstart amateur radio again. I honestly don't have an answer. Usually, arguments result. Eliminating cw may eliminate a "barrier", but how do amateurs interest others in amateur radio? Forget the barrier as it appears about to be eliminated. There are a lot of good CBers, but I certainly don't want folks screaming "AUDIOOOO" into their mics. I also don't care to hear the "radio cops" slamming someone for saying something like "my preferred first personal is ...." or "the handle here is ....". All of us were beginners at some point. Quite frankly, in the early 60s, it was common in amateur radio to use the term "handle". My guess is that when the CB community picked it up, the radio cops started condemning it on amateur frequencies. Unless you fear causing real hate and dissent amongst this group, I'd like to hear some suggestions concerning getting folks interested in amateur radio. As to me, I'm not going anywhere very soon as I've a number of graves I've yet to p*ss on LOL 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
an_old_friend wrote: always with the obsessive attacks steve wel you can't spoil a day like this for me Why are you dragging your silliness into another thread, Markie? And any day with you in it has to be a spoiled day for SOMEone...... Steve, K4YZ |
Jayson Davis wrote: As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in "advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be key in getting the numbers we need at that time. I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson. Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has always attracted a certain "crowd". It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole hobby is passe. So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to feed their families, but just for fun. Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of doing it with "wireless". If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people? HA! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllp....Markie wil chime in here and say I am "attacking" Lennie, but there's been a no code license for just that very kind of experimentation for 14 years now, and Lennie and hi ilk have been more than welcome to jump right in and develop all the new data protocols they'd like to do. Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the allocations that do require a code test. Why? Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
John Smith wrote:
robert: Yes, in fact you should get ready for the flood of anxious cw'ers... I'd go there now and wait if I were you, and wait, and wait, and wait... grin ... don't kid yourself. Well, it was a fantasy of sorts. Probably not gonna happen.... |
It came to him via the voices in his head. Not voice (phone), but in CW! CW in his head. :-) |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... Kim: I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license Oh buhruther, that is almost a scarey comment--but I won't go there are probably not a significant number to really thwart the benefits which are possible. Hmmmm, yeah, I am not sure how anything would thwart a benefit...(?) Let's face it, marriage too is becoming a thing of the past, and certainly is no longer a real lifetime commitment for the younger generations. Gay marriage is probably the final nail in that coffin. Uh oh. Yeah, 'dem gays is ruining everything. It's because of them that parents don't raise their kids with enough gumption to make smart decisions on love and marriage, and having kids. It's because of them that skillsets to handle the baggage of everyday life aren't instilled by our society and, therefore, our children. It's because of them (gays--to remind everyone) that parents and educators are too busy getting their pockets lined and so can't raise kids to have more dignity and respect than to go out as a teen-ager and get pregnant. It's because of them that, well hell, let's just lay it out there for everyone to see: it's because of those darned friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone to hell in a handbasket. The younger women of today are a different breed and don't want to be seen as "getting something for nothing." (which might imply, at least to some, that they are less able or intelligent) OK, so wait a minute. One sentiment you express is that gays have ruined the institution of marriage. The next, you are saying that "the younger women of today" (spoken, it seems, as a true male chauvinist asshole, by the way) have, ummmm, higher standards? Is this the same women who get all those divorces, screw other womens' husbands, suck their boss' you-know-whats, etc., as you mentioned above? The very same women who, today, are so wrapped up in using their bodies and sex to get anything and anywhere that the workplace has become a disgusting display of seething sex fashions? Because, I want to make sure we are on the same page...uh, if that's even possible? OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty convinced that it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole huge trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER HUSBAND AS CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a chill pill. I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much more competitive) You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come back to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd y'all drag this one up from? I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women. Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing hysterically ( :o) Get a load of this: "these" women. Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin John Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd have to see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it this way: see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women, of whom it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your mighty little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb. By the way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you need to get out of that closet you're in. Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for the office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My little pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously surrounded by idiot women, the only types he can deal with. Kim W5TIT "Kim" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc 73 de Jim, N2EY Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they are, we should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element 3 over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up before their CSCEs expire. And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code". Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a trend. A few months won't tell us a thing. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class. There are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun intended) population of the ARS: I am a female I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many licensees are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF General Class freqs any time I wanted I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local level WHEN I am even "hooked up" I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much noise There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be no correlation at all. 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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE ROFLMAO...Dee, just look at what he extracted from me getting on the radio under my husband's General Class license and talking whenever I want. Which, by the way, I have never done yet. snorkle We haven't had HF on much since he was licensed as a General. Kim W5TIT ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Kim wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license Big snip to.... OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty convinced that it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole huge trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER HUSBAND AS CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a chill pill. The point, I think, Kim, was that there was, once upon a time, a suggestion to allow the spouse to operate a "unit" of an Amateur Radio station just like CB or GMRS... And ultimately that's what the patitioner was told...Get a GMRS license! I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much more competitive) You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them let their wimpy-###ed husbands get into it and get a radio. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe? THEN come back to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd y'all drag this one up from? I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women. Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing hysterically ( :o) Get a load of this: "these" women. Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin John Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd have to see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it this way: see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women, of whom it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your mighty little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb. By the way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you need to get out of that closet you're in. Kim...if you were in Tennessee right now, or I in Texas, I'd have only two words for a woman with an attitude like that... SADDLE UP! =) =) =) =) Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for the office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My little pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously surrounded by idiot women, the only types he can deal with. A bit, uuh...dare I say it..."hormonal" are we, today...?!?! =) 88 Steve, K4YZ |
Kim:
I expected as much, a women libber who isn't a libber at all. Rather a spoiled female brat which wants all the perks of being female and none of the responsibility. And, you are right, gays marrying makes a mockery out of marriage. Two butt buddies (or two lesbian lick masters) are ridiculous and should be give mental health to repair their suffering mental conditions... You wouldn't know a real female if she ran up and bit ya on yer bum. Already you are whinning because your tricks ain't going to work here. Screw off, you are just a new age wacko and they are a dime a dozen! You are too used to people kissing yer bum to be politically correct, ain't gonna happen here--I have too much respect for myself. If you want to stay focused on ham issues good. If you want to argue being politically correct or I have to suffer your opinions and views--chuck it girl! John "Kim" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license Oh buhruther, that is almost a scarey comment--but I won't go there are probably not a significant number to really thwart the benefits which are possible. Hmmmm, yeah, I am not sure how anything would thwart a benefit...(?) Let's face it, marriage too is becoming a thing of the past, and certainly is no longer a real lifetime commitment for the younger generations. Gay marriage is probably the final nail in that coffin. Uh oh. Yeah, 'dem gays is ruining everything. It's because of them that parents don't raise their kids with enough gumption to make smart decisions on love and marriage, and having kids. It's because of them that skillsets to handle the baggage of everyday life aren't instilled by our society and, therefore, our children. It's because of them (gays--to remind everyone) that parents and educators are too busy getting their pockets lined and so can't raise kids to have more dignity and respect than to go out as a teen-ager and get pregnant. It's because of them that, well hell, let's just lay it out there for everyone to see: it's because of those darned friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone to hell in a handbasket. The younger women of today are a different breed and don't want to be seen as "getting something for nothing." (which might imply, at least to some, that they are less able or intelligent) OK, so wait a minute. One sentiment you express is that gays have ruined the institution of marriage. The next, you are saying that "the younger women of today" (spoken, it seems, as a true male chauvinist asshole, by the way) have, ummmm, higher standards? Is this the same women who get all those divorces, screw other womens' husbands, suck their boss' you-know-whats, etc., as you mentioned above? The very same women who, today, are so wrapped up in using their bodies and sex to get anything and anywhere that the workplace has become a disgusting display of seething sex fashions? Because, I want to make sure we are on the same page...uh, if that's even possible? OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty convinced that it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole huge trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER HUSBAND AS CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a chill pill. I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much more competitive) You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come back to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd y'all drag this one up from? I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women. Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing hysterically ( :o) Get a load of this: "these" women. Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin John Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd have to see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it this way: see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women, of whom it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your mighty little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb. By the way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you need to get out of that closet you're in. Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for the office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My little pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously surrounded by idiot women, the only types he can deal with. Kim W5TIT "Kim" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc 73 de Jim, N2EY Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they are, we should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element 3 over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up before their CSCEs expire. And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code". Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a trend. A few months won't tell us a thing. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class. There are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun intended) population of the ARS: I am a female I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many licensees are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF General Class freqs any time I wanted I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local level WHEN I am even "hooked up" I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much noise There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be no correlation at all. Kim W5TIT ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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