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John Smith July 22nd 05 04:53 PM

an_old_pervert:

Ahhh, I see you win the "Antagonistic Fool Award" again today.

There is no real competition here, you always win hands down...

John

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


K4YZ wrote:
Kim wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license


Big snip to....

OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty
convinced that
it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a
whole huge
trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER
HUSBAND AS
CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a
chill pill.


The point, I think, Kim, was that there was, once upon a time,
a
suggestion to allow the spouse to operate a "unit" of an Amateur
Radio
station just like CB or GMRS...



thepoint is that you are obsessed with the need to control other
people. the rules are not being broken, so grow up


And ultimately that's what the patitioner was told...Get a GMRS
license!

I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old
women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands
license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are
much
more competitive)

You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the
under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST,
help them
let their wimpy-###ed husbands get into it and get a radio.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?


more gratuious insults




THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k?
Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these
women.


Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing
hysterically ( :o)
Get a load of this: "these" women.


Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio,
it may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license
of their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John


Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me,
I'd have to
see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it
this way:
see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of
strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent
women, of whom
it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS
strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your
mighty
little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the
curb. By the
way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or
your
guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked,"
you need to
get out of that closet you're in.


Kim...if you were in Tennessee right now, or I in Texas, I'd
have
only two words for a woman with an attitude like that...

SADDLE UP! =) =) =) =)


more sexism

You realy inist on showing all your bigotries in one day don't you


Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready
for the
office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own.
My little
pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously
surrounded by
idiot women, the only types he can deal with.


A bit, uuh...dare I say it..."hormonal" are we, today...?!?!


more sexism


=)

88

Steve, K4YZ


all this one the "man" who nevr chases anybody off




Michael Coslo July 22nd 05 06:37 PM

K4YZ wrote:


Jayson Davis wrote:


As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in

"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.



I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".


And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"



It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.


To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.

I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?


So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".


If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?


To Jayson again: (Sorry Steve, I didn't see the post until now)

Question number 1 - Why do so many people seem to think that the
internet is some kind of Hi-Tech wonderland - and that Amateur Radio
darn well better emulate it?

Side note..... If you think that the Internet is at the cutting
edge.... well, we know that you aren't.

And yes, mentioning AX. 25 is telling me that. Packet radio is FAIAP
not at all about transmission of large amounts of data. It has morphed
into APRS, GPS apps, C and C and other areas which do indeed attract
bright people who want to experiment.

BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?

I suspect it might sound snobbish, but it *is* true that 50 percent of
people are below average. Gospel truth!



Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllp....Markie wil chime in here and say I
am "attacking" Lennie, but there's been a no code license for just that
very kind of experimentation for 14 years now, and Lennie and hi ilk
have been more than welcome to jump right in and develop all the new
data protocols they'd like to do.

Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?


Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.


Yup.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Michael Coslo July 22nd 05 06:49 PM

Kim wrote:


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?



Don't hold back Kim! Let the troll know exactly how you feel!

Well put BTW.. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


John Smith July 22nd 05 07:20 PM

Troll?

As if you can utter that word and people stay blind to the fact you
are one?

Get real. Open your eyes, you may have convinced yourself that
everyone else is stupid except you--but buddy, you only have yourself
believing it...

ROFLOL!

John

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35
year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST,
help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN
come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k?
Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?



Don't hold back Kim! Let the troll know exactly how you feel!

Well put BTW.. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -




Michael Coslo July 22nd 05 08:06 PM

K4YZ wrote:


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.


Rather a sad sign of our times, Steve. We live in an era in which
"things" are so simple. NeoCons can attribute ALL problems to the
mythical "liberal", who despite being almost nonexistant today, is still
somehow responsible for all the ills of society.

In the same way, we have a lot of people who are willing to attest
every problem, real or imagined, to that dreaded Element 1 test. It is
responsible for the "declining number of Hams", etc etc, etc.

They will get the chance to put their theory to the test. They will
also find out they are wrong.


By the way, has no one else noticed that the drop off in numbers is
primarily Technicians who were not code tested?

Kinda puts the lie to that theory right away doesn't it?

There was not that much effort, and those who were not all that
interested got their license. Ten years later, they allowed the license
to lapse.

- Mike KB3EIA -



[email protected] July 22nd 05 08:09 PM

From: Michael Coslo on Fri 22 Jul 2005 13:37

K4YZ wrote:
Jayson Davis wrote:

As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.


I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".


And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"


That would be a REALISTIC beginning... :-)

Oh, Michael, we've all seen the "crowd" represented by K4YZ. :-)

So, other than the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society)
thinking their sky has fallen, what would YOU really
advertise U.S. amateur radio in its "new beginning" after
WT Docket 05-235 turns into an R&O?

It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.


To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.


Not the YOU "us," Michael. The ARRL badly needs new membership.
They've never had as many as a quarter of all U.S. amateur
radio licensees as members and are currently down around just
20% of licensees. ARRL is more business than organization and
the business side of the house has to show a profit.

I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?


Why are you sounding insecure? The FCC defines U.S. amateur
radio. You don't define U.S. amateur radio.

You are sounding EXACTLY like the "superior OTs" you decry in
another message...like everyone MUST accept what YOU accept
as a definition. Tsk.

So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".


"Thrill?!?" Has Stebie gotten an Orion and having oriongasms?

"Wireless" today refers to LANs coupled by radio, not wires.
See the acronym WLAN and what the "W" stands for.

Almost exactly 50 years ago I picked up a handset in Tokyo
and spoke to my counterpart in San Francisco, all a part of
the Army network. First time I'd "done DX" on HF. WAs
there supposed to be a "thrill" associated with using that
24/7 communications circuit? :-) Perhaps novel is the word,
but I already knew the circuit was there 24/7 as were all the
other radio circuits.

I've used radio to communicate from land, sea, and air. Not
a magic thing. If there be "magic" then it was listening to
Edward R. Murrow reporting live from London in 1940 in the
midst of the London Bombing. "Magic" is a subjective thing.

Radio waves and electrons do NOT, nor ever did operate
according to human emotional dictates. Try to remember that.

If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?


To Jayson again: (Sorry Steve, I didn't see the post until now)

Question number 1 - Why do so many people seem to think that the
internet is some kind of Hi-Tech wonderland - and that Amateur Radio
darn well better emulate it?


Alternate Question number 1: Why are you getting defensive?

Side note..... If you think that the Internet is at the cutting
edge.... well, we know that you aren't.

And yes, mentioning AX. 25 is telling me that. Packet radio is FAIAP
not at all about transmission of large amounts of data. It has morphed
into APRS, GPS apps, C and C and other areas which do indeed attract
bright people who want to experiment.


Aren't you conflicting with yourself on that?

"Bright people wanting to experiment" aren't going to fall in love
with a radio service demanding all below-30-MHz-privileged
individuals demonstrate telegraphy skills...especially when
that skill goes back 161 years! :-)

BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?


How does a requirement of knowing 161-year-old morsemanship
skill attract the "bright and intelligent?" :-)

What the six-tiered-class system of old U.S. amateur radio
licensing did was attract some people who NEEDED to climb
ladders of accomplishment through the classes to get to the
top...and then proclaim their "superiority in radio!" :-)


Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?


Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.


Poor babies...feeling "hated" are you both?

Feeling "hated" because so few agree with your self-proclaimed
"definitions" of What It Is All About?

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy. All those who disagree with you
two HATE YOU! Not only that, THEY HATE HAM RADIO...because you
two define yourself as "ham radio!" [you two have the conspiracy
thing all in a row, lined up...in your minds]

Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.


Yup.


Tsk. How little you two know of REAL engineering and
"experimentation." :-)

You two sound like an anvil chorus playing a Newington stage.
SRO you ain't.

Have fun in the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society). [why
are you here instead of playing with your HF radios?]

bit bit



John Kasupski July 22nd 05 08:29 PM

On 22 Jul 2005 06:34:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?


A smoking Desert Eagle in .50AE, an HT with a large hole in one side
and out the other, and Arnold uttering his excellent line (spoken to a
recently deceased Sharon Stone) from the movie Total Recall: "Consider
that a divorce!"

73 de John, KC2HMZ


[email protected] July 22nd 05 08:43 PM

From: Michael Coslo on Jul 22, 3:06 pm


K4YZ wrote:
Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.


Rather a sad sign of our times, Steve. We live in an era in which
"things" are so simple. NeoCons can attribute ALL problems to the
mythical "liberal", who despite being almost nonexistant today, is still
somehow responsible for all the ills of society.


Poor babies. Suffering the cynicsm and angst of the middle-aged
are you? :-)

In the same way, we have a lot of people who are willing to attest
every problem, real or imagined, to that dreaded Element 1 test. It is
responsible for the "declining number of Hams", etc etc, etc.


You two aren't cut out to be forest rangers...you two are unable
to see the forest for the trees... :-)

Had you bothered to look (outside of your respective insides),
you would have seen an INCREASE in amateur radio licenses in
the USA between the mid-2000 restructuring change and mid-2003.
A three-year period of growth in numbers.

Unfortunately, since then there has been a DECREASE in numbers
over the last two years. Steady - but small - decrease. That
is borne out by the delta between NEW licensees and EXPIRED
licenses. About 3,623 in one year's time from the 21 Jul 05
numbers on www.hamdata.com.


They will get the chance to put their theory to the test. They will
also find out they are wrong.


Love those ABSOLUTE predictions! So...well..."predictable!" :-)

By the way, has no one else noticed that the drop off in numbers is
primarily Technicians who were not code tested?


Really? Who wrote that...besides an obvious PCTA, that is...?

Joe Speroni said that about 5 years ago. He tried to "prove"
it with some number juggling but only made headway with his
fellow PCTAs.

Kinda puts the lie to that theory right away doesn't it?


Kinda puts your statement into a POS without some proof...:-)

There was not that much effort, and those who were not all that
interested got their license. Ten years later, they allowed the license
to lapse.


Sunnuvagun! All those no-code-test Techs being "quitters?"

NOBODY else left the U.S. ARS? :-)

Novice class has been dropping steadily for over five years.
They were NEVER "no-code-test" and once heralded as the
"entry point" into amateur radio, years ago. "Bunch of
quitters," right? :-)

Sweetums, go look at the present-day numbers. Technician
class now (as of 21 Jul 05) has 40.81% of all individual
licensees. That's over twice as many General class
licensees (only 20.33%). Together with Technician Plus,
they make up 48.46% of all individual licensees.

The no-code-test Technician class did not exist in 1990.
Since the inception of that class in 1991, those licensees
have ADDED about 200 THOUSAND hams to the U.S. numbers.
Without them the U.S. amateur radio "community" would have
DECREASED markedly over the last 14 years...like DROPPING
a whopping 27% compared to today's total individual licenses.

But, you don't want to see reality, do you? The fantasies
are much more appealing and "it's always someone else's
fault," isn't it?

bit bit



John Smith July 22nd 05 08:47 PM

John K.

I'd prefer Dee stating, "Don't be no girly-man, Now!!!

Then demanding, "Pick up that damn brass key and tap me out an
apology, NOW!" (leather and whips are optional, of course)
grin

John

"John Kasupski" wrote in message
...
On 22 Jul 2005 06:34:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?


A smoking Desert Eagle in .50AE, an HT with a large hole in one side
and out the other, and Arnold uttering his excellent line (spoken to
a
recently deceased Sharon Stone) from the movie Total Recall:
"Consider
that a divorce!"

73 de John, KC2HMZ




robert casey July 22nd 05 09:15 PM


friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone to hell
in a handbasket.


Yeah, the world's been going to hell in a handbasket for as
long as I can remember. Been going there in the 60's, the
70's, the 80's, the 90's and right now. Funny how things
haven't really degraded any.

an old friend July 22nd 05 09:24 PM



wrote:
From: Michael Coslo on Jul 22, 3:06 pm


K4YZ wrote:
Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.


Rather a sad sign of our times, Steve. We live in an era in which
"things" are so simple. NeoCons can attribute ALL problems to the
mythical "liberal", who despite being almost nonexistant today, is still
somehow responsible for all the ills of society.


Poor babies. Suffering the cynicsm and angst of the middle-aged
are you? :-)

In the same way, we have a lot of people who are willing to attest
every problem, real or imagined, to that dreaded Element 1 test. It is
responsible for the "declining number of Hams", etc etc, etc.


You two aren't cut out to be forest rangers...you two are unable
to see the forest for the trees... :-)

Had you bothered to look (outside of your respective insides),
you would have seen an INCREASE in amateur radio licenses in
the USA between the mid-2000 restructuring change and mid-2003.
A three-year period of growth in numbers.

Unfortunately, since then there has been a DECREASE in numbers
over the last two years. Steady - but small - decrease. That
is borne out by the delta between NEW licensees and EXPIRED
licenses. About 3,623 in one year's time from the 21 Jul 05
numbers on
www.hamdata.com.


They will get the chance to put their theory to the test. They will
also find out they are wrong.


Love those ABSOLUTE predictions! So...well..."predictable!" :-)

By the way, has no one else noticed that the drop off in numbers is
primarily Technicians who were not code tested?


Really? Who wrote that...besides an obvious PCTA, that is...?

Joe Speroni said that about 5 years ago. He tried to "prove"
it with some number juggling but only made headway with his
fellow PCTAs.

Kinda puts the lie to that theory right away doesn't it?


Kinda puts your statement into a POS without some proof...:-)

There was not that much effort, and those who were not all that
interested got their license. Ten years later, they allowed the license
to lapse.


Sunnuvagun! All those no-code-test Techs being "quitters?"

break

NOBODY else left the U.S. ARS? :-)


nobody even the SK's have manged to renew their licenses don't you know
Morse Code goes everywhere


Novice class has been dropping steadily for over five years.
They were NEVER "no-code-test" and once heralded as the
"entry point" into amateur radio, years ago. "Bunch of
quitters," right? :-)

Sweetums, go look at the present-day numbers. Technician
class now (as of 21 Jul 05) has 40.81% of all individual
licensees. That's over twice as many General class
licensees (only 20.33%). Together with Technician Plus,
they make up 48.46% of all individual licensees.

The no-code-test Technician class did not exist in 1990.
Since the inception of that class in 1991, those licensees
have ADDED about 200 THOUSAND hams to the U.S. numbers.
Without them the U.S. amateur radio "community" would have
DECREASED markedly over the last 14 years...like DROPPING
a whopping 27% compared to today's total individual licenses.

But, you don't want to see reality, do you? The fantasies
are much more appealing and "it's always someone else's
fault," isn't it?

bit bit



Dee Flint July 22nd 05 11:15 PM


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Just could explain why all these cars have taken on an "aerodynamic look"
to 'em... yes indeed, I think I can see your hand at work here.

If fact, now I look closer, some pretty feline lines grace those rigs!
grin

Just offhand, I'd bet aerospace was much more interesting...

John


Actually I have nothing to do with the exterior lines of automobiles. I
work for a supplier developing underhood components.

Well every job I've had has been interesting when you really dive into it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



John Smith July 22nd 05 11:24 PM

Dee:

This is going to sound like a joke (and heaven knows I NEVER
JOKE!--but it isn't...), I once heard the little windshield wiper
pumps, the ones which spray on the window cleaner were the by-product
of nasa technology adopted by the auto industry; you wouldn't know
about that, would you?

Funny, but that question has stuck in my mind for years. I had made a
mental note to ask, if ever given the chance... sometimes doesn't take
much to entertain me... frown I actually doubt it... I mean, the
cleaner would freeze in the tank in space, immediately freeze and/or
crystallize to ice when discharged, etc...

or, perhaps they meant the pumps used by nasa were actually for
another purpose and just adapted to windshields here on terafirma...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Just could explain why all these cars have taken on an "aerodynamic
look" to 'em... yes indeed, I think I can see your hand at work
here.

If fact, now I look closer, some pretty feline lines grace those
rigs! grin

Just offhand, I'd bet aerospace was much more interesting...

John


Actually I have nothing to do with the exterior lines of
automobiles. I work for a supplier developing underhood components.

Well every job I've had has been interesting when you really dive
into it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Dan/W4NTI July 22nd 05 11:42 PM


"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...



Dan,

All kidding aside, I heard he had a heart attack whilst on his tower way
back when and that is when he cashed in his chips.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




I'm fully aware of that Jim.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI July 22nd 05 11:48 PM

"John Smith"

This particular group of misfits with licenses do NOT represent ham radio.
Real hams can be found on 20 meters.

And that is where I am right now, BTW.

Dan/W4NTI
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

I am quite serious. Look over all the posts here. I see where most here
are rather anti-social, they don't have much ability to get along well
with "other children."

Frankly, I would be hard pressed to present the group here as a good
reason to enter the hobby of amateur radio and to enjoy an exchange of
spoken and mental ideas with others... I include myself in that appraisal
also, as I have been direct and to the point also... to do less would seem
a waste of time, both theirs and mine...

Indeed, some may even be able to see why the Chicken Band is preferable
some of the time... still, I am hoping the right people can and will
change all that--that is what we are really talking about, and these guys
know it, and fear it!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically,
actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any
other path?

This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement
about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the
NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll
patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate
commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done
deal.

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then
back then the bands as usual.

I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it
has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my
buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast
enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago.
With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty
to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC
"restructuring" brainfart.

Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this
BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good:
Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out.


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv


Rest assured the FCC is going to do whatever is easiest for THEM.

There may be a upward surge of new "Ultra Lite Extra's" (Did I really
say that???).....and in a short time the bands will still sound
deserted.

There is a lot more at work here then just dropping CW.

Check out the bands lately? Where are all those new "light" hams
anyway? Danged if I can find them.

All you that gloat over losing one of the glues that hold/held ham radio
together will rue this day. And no I'm not a stuck in the mud, cw only
operator, I just see the hand writing on the wall.

Lennie is happy now. He can sneak over to a test session and get his
General......

Dan/W4NTI


Dollars to donuts that he comes up with another excuse not to.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE






Bert Craig July 22nd 05 11:51 PM

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
"John Smith"

This particular group of misfits with licenses do NOT represent ham radio.
Real hams can be found on 20 meters.

And that is where I am right now, BTW.



Listening on 14020. :-)

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384/CC #1736
QRP ARCI #11782



an_old_friend July 22nd 05 11:58 PM



Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"John Smith"


break
This particular group of misfits with licenses do NOT represent ham radio.
Real hams can be found on 20 meters.

And that is where I am right now, BTW.


your statement is proof of why ending codetesting the right way to go


Dan/W4NTI
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

I am quite serious. Look over all the posts here. I see where most here
are rather anti-social, they don't have much ability to get along well
with "other children."

Frankly, I would be hard pressed to present the group here as a good
reason to enter the hobby of amateur radio and to enjoy an exchange of
spoken and mental ideas with others... I include myself in that appraisal
also, as I have been direct and to the point also... to do less would seem
a waste of time, both theirs and mine...

Indeed, some may even be able to see why the Chicken Band is preferable
some of the time... still, I am hoping the right people can and will
change all that--that is what we are really talking about, and these guys
know it, and fear it!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically,
actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any
other path?

This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement
about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the
NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll
patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate
commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done
deal.

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then
back then the bands as usual.

I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it
has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my
buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast
enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago.
With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty
to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC
"restructuring" brainfart.

Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this
BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good:
Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out.


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv


Rest assured the FCC is going to do whatever is easiest for THEM.

There may be a upward surge of new "Ultra Lite Extra's" (Did I really
say that???).....and in a short time the bands will still sound
deserted.

There is a lot more at work here then just dropping CW.

Check out the bands lately? Where are all those new "light" hams
anyway? Danged if I can find them.

All you that gloat over losing one of the glues that hold/held ham radio
together will rue this day. And no I'm not a stuck in the mud, cw only
operator, I just see the hand writing on the wall.

Lennie is happy now. He can sneak over to a test session and get his
General......

Dan/W4NTI

Dollars to donuts that he comes up with another excuse not to.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE





Mike Coslo July 23rd 05 12:01 AM

wrote:
From: Michael Coslo on Fri 22 Jul 2005 13:37


K4YZ wrote:

Jayson Davis wrote:


As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.

I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".


And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"



That would be a REALISTIC beginning... :-)

Oh, Michael, we've all seen the "crowd" represented by K4YZ. :-)



Steve represents mostly himself. I've seen a lot of people who
represent a lot of things.

So, other than the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society)
thinking their sky has fallen, what would YOU really
advertise U.S. amateur radio in its "new beginning" after
WT Docket 05-235 turns into an R&O?


It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.


To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.



Not the YOU "us," Michael. The ARRL badly needs new membership.
They've never had as many as a quarter of all U.S. amateur
radio licensees as members and are currently down around just
20% of licensees.


ARR?

ARRL is more business than organization and
the business side of the house has to show a profit.


I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?



Why are you sounding insecure? The FCC defines U.S. amateur
radio. You don't define U.S. amateur radio.


Insecure? So are the others who *know* how it is to be defined also
insecure?

You are sounding EXACTLY like the "superior OTs" you decry in
another message...like everyone MUST accept what YOU accept
as a definition. Tsk.


Tsk indeed. My question is a simple one. Its a rough equivalent of the
US basing our economic policy on what a group of olde tyme Russian
communists think it should be. They didn't like us much at all. I bet
they had some "good ideas" on how we should run things though...


So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".



"Thrill?!?" Has Stebie gotten an Orion and having oriongasms?

"Wireless" today refers to LANs coupled by radio, not wires.
See the acronym WLAN and what the "W" stands for.

Almost exactly 50 years ago I picked up a handset in Tokyo
and spoke to my counterpart in San Francisco, all a part of
the Army network. First time I'd "done DX" on HF. WAs
there supposed to be a "thrill" associated with using that
24/7 communications circuit? :-) Perhaps novel is the word,
but I already knew the circuit was there 24/7 as were all the
other radio circuits.

I've used radio to communicate from land, sea, and air. Not
a magic thing. If there be "magic" then it was listening to
Edward R. Murrow reporting live from London in 1940 in the
midst of the London Bombing. "Magic" is a subjective thing.

Radio waves and electrons do NOT, nor ever did operate
according to human emotional dictates. Try to remember that.


If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?


To Jayson again: (Sorry Steve, I didn't see the post until now)

Question number 1 - Why do so many people seem to think that the
internet is some kind of Hi-Tech wonderland - and that Amateur Radio
darn well better emulate it?



Alternate Question number 1: Why are you getting defensive?


Side note..... If you think that the Internet is at the cutting
edge.... well, we know that you aren't.

And yes, mentioning AX. 25 is telling me that. Packet radio is FAIAP
not at all about transmission of large amounts of data. It has morphed
into APRS, GPS apps, C and C and other areas which do indeed attract
bright people who want to experiment.



Aren't you conflicting with yourself on that?

"Bright people wanting to experiment" aren't going to fall in love
with a radio service demanding all below-30-MHz-privileged
individuals demonstrate telegraphy skills...especially when
that skill goes back 161 years! :-)


Lots of bright students don't want to learn anything that they don't
think is relevant.

BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?



How does a requirement of knowing 161-year-old morsemanship
skill attract the "bright and intelligent?" :-)


non sequitur. I wasn't writing of Morse code.

What the six-tiered-class system of old U.S. amateur radio
licensing did was attract some people who NEEDED to climb
ladders of accomplishment through the classes to get to the
top...and then proclaim their "superiority in radio!" :-)



Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?


Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.



Poor babies...feeling "hated" are you both?


Everyone is hated by someone. If a person allows themselves to be
bothered by it, they are a poor baby indeed.

Feeling "hated" because so few agree with your self-proclaimed
"definitions" of What It Is All About?


If 50 million people believe a foolish thing is true, it remains a
foolish thing.

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy. All those who disagree with you
two HATE YOU! Not only that, THEY HATE HAM RADIO...because you
two define yourself as "ham radio!" [you two have the conspiracy
thing all in a row, lined up...in your minds]


Easy there, don't get the B.P. up!


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.


Yup.



Tsk. How little you two know of REAL engineering and
"experimentation." :-)


So what you are saying is that those who do know about REAL engineering
and "experimentation" won't do it unless only everything is to their
exact liking? Otherwise they will simply wait until everything is to
their exact liking?

You two sound like an anvil chorus playing a Newington stage.
SRO you ain't.

Have fun in the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society). [why
are you here instead of playing with your HF radios?]


I am here *while* I'm playing with my HF radio.

- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith July 23rd 05 12:32 AM

Wait right there, on 20 meters. As soon as CW hits the bucket, I think
I will be able to supply you with students from my night class,
soon...

John

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
"John Smith"

This particular group of misfits with licenses do NOT represent ham
radio. Real hams can be found on 20 meters.

And that is where I am right now, BTW.

Dan/W4NTI
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

I am quite serious. Look over all the posts here. I see where
most here are rather anti-social, they don't have much ability to
get along well with "other children."

Frankly, I would be hard pressed to present the group here as a
good reason to enter the hobby of amateur radio and to enjoy an
exchange of spoken and mental ideas with others... I include
myself in that appraisal also, as I have been direct and to the
point also... to do less would seem a waste of time, both theirs
and mine...

Indeed, some may even be able to see why the Chicken Band is
preferable some of the time... still, I am hoping the right people
can and will change all that--that is what we are really talking
about, and these guys know it, and fear it!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp,
realistically,
actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take
any
other path?

This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an
announcement
about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru
the
NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll
patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of
desparate
commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a
done
deal.

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest
"restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more
then
back then the bands as usual.

I could care less about any of it at this late date because none
of it
has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and
PSK my
buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13
wpm fast
enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century
ago.
With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my
abilty
to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC
"restructuring" brainfart.

Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of
this
BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020?
Good:
Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out.


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv


Rest assured the FCC is going to do whatever is easiest for THEM.

There may be a upward surge of new "Ultra Lite Extra's" (Did I
really say that???).....and in a short time the bands will still
sound deserted.

There is a lot more at work here then just dropping CW.

Check out the bands lately? Where are all those new "light"
hams anyway? Danged if I can find them.

All you that gloat over losing one of the glues that hold/held
ham radio together will rue this day. And no I'm not a stuck in
the mud, cw only operator, I just see the hand writing on the
wall.

Lennie is happy now. He can sneak over to a test session and get
his General......

Dan/W4NTI

Dollars to donuts that he comes up with another excuse not to.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE








John Smith July 23rd 05 01:06 AM

Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one of
the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you
have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something resembling
a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Just could explain why all these cars have taken on an "aerodynamic
look" to 'em... yes indeed, I think I can see your hand at work
here.

If fact, now I look closer, some pretty feline lines grace those
rigs! grin

Just offhand, I'd bet aerospace was much more interesting...

John


Actually I have nothing to do with the exterior lines of
automobiles. I work for a supplier developing underhood components.

Well every job I've had has been interesting when you really dive
into it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Kim July 23rd 05 01:55 AM

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Kim:

I expected as much, a women libber who isn't a libber at all.


And you are showing your real ignorance. I am far, far from being a
Pansy-ass women's libber. I disagree with most Women's Liberation Theology,
I disagree with the tenent of being a Women's Liberation victim (yes, I said
victim); and I think most of the Women's Libbers I've met are about as
misrepresentative of everyday life as they can possibly be.

I think women should be as capable as anyone else. I try not to see this as
a male/female world, because I think that is very devisive and
nonproductive. I will get into the ring of life along with anyone else, and
I don't look to anyone else to live it for me. If you call that "bad," it's
my opinion that you are threatened by that. I don't need any man's
permission for thing, nor would I ever allow a man to think I did.


Rather a spoiled female brat which wants all the perks of being female
and none of the responsibility.


Hardly. I can't think of a perk that I'm interested in.


And, you are right, gays marrying makes a mockery out of marriage. Two
butt buddies (or two lesbian lick masters) are ridiculous and should
be give mental health to repair their suffering mental conditions...


Nope. That isn't right at all--at least not from my perspective. I was
cutting into the tragic philosophy that you have. I notice you didn't say
much about any of the shortcomings we have as people who aren't gay or
lesbian. I believe you are quite mistaken about your beliefs. But, you are
entitled to your thoughts on the matter.


You wouldn't know a real female if she ran up and bit ya on yer bum.
Already you are whinning because your tricks ain't going to work here.


Mmm. Your perverted thoughts of women's body parts is noted. And, what
tricks are you speaking of? You just can't handle a woman who is quite
capable of holding her own. Like I said, that thing your packin' is pretty
worthless.


Screw off, you are just a new age wacko and they are a dime a dozen!
You are too used to people kissing yer bum to be politically correct,
ain't gonna happen here--I have too much respect for myself.


I am not the slightest bit interested in anyone kissing my ass...right now
in particular: you. And, I doubt you have "too much" respect for yourself.
Your actions say otherwise. I'd pretty much come to the decision that you
are a man in peril with himself.


If you want to stay focused on ham issues good. If you want to argue
being politically correct or I have to suffer your opinions and
views--chuck it girl!

John


Oh, yeah. I see the "ham issues" you're discussing. ROFLMAO... What a
friggin' weanie... When you get to be HALF the irritant that Larry Roll is,
come back and see me.

Kim W5TIT



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Kim July 23rd 05 01:55 AM

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year

old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help

them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come

back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?



Don't hold back Kim! Let the troll know exactly how you feel!

Well put BTW.. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -



LOL, what a twit this freak is!!! He doesn't even realize when he's been
eaten for lunch! ;)

Kim W5TIT



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Kim July 23rd 05 01:58 AM

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one of
the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you
have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something resembling
a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


OHMYGAWD!!!! Hey, Dee? Wanna borrow my pahuke bucket?

bleh....

Kim W5TIT



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Dee Flint July 23rd 05 02:11 AM


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

This is going to sound like a joke (and heaven knows I NEVER JOKE!--but it
isn't...), I once heard the little windshield wiper pumps, the ones which
spray on the window cleaner were the by-product of nasa technology adopted
by the auto industry; you wouldn't know about that, would you?

Funny, but that question has stuck in my mind for years. I had made a
mental note to ask, if ever given the chance... sometimes doesn't take
much to entertain me... frown I actually doubt it... I mean, the
cleaner would freeze in the tank in space, immediately freeze and/or
crystallize to ice when discharged, etc...

or, perhaps they meant the pumps used by nasa were actually for another
purpose and just adapted to windshields here on terafirma...

John


Don't know about the pumps unfortunately. However it is amazing some of the
things that came out of the space program. The original ball point pen was
one. In the form developed for NASA, they would write in any position and
did not have to rely on gravity feed for the ink (more of a capillary action
or some such and took very high quality ink). This was then commercialized
in a much cheaper form for the public. These are the pens that would cease
to write if you had the point higher than the body.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Dee Flint July 23rd 05 02:24 AM


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one of the
guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you have not
only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature might
lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices here--it
is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should really (well,
encourage more females so there is something resembling a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


Thank you.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Cmdr Buzz Corey July 23rd 05 02:25 AM

John Smith wrote:
Kim:

I expected as much, a women libber who isn't a libber at all.

Rather a spoiled female brat which wants all the perks of being female
and none of the responsibility.

And, you are right, gays marrying makes a mockery out of marriage. Two
butt buddies (or two lesbian lick masters) are ridiculous and should
be give mental health to repair their suffering mental conditions...

You wouldn't know a real female if she ran up and bit ya on yer bum.
Already you are whinning because your tricks ain't going to work here.

Screw off, you are just a new age wacko and they are a dime a dozen!
You are too used to people kissing yer bum to be politically correct,
ain't gonna happen here--I have too much respect for myself.

If you want to stay focused on ham issues good. If you want to argue
being politically correct or I have to suffer your opinions and
views--chuck it girl!

John


LOL!!! Gotta luv it! Why do you think she got that call John? She needs
attention.

Dee Flint July 23rd 05 02:28 AM


"Kim" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one of
the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you
have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something resembling
a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


OHMYGAWD!!!! Hey, Dee? Wanna borrow my pahuke bucket?

bleh....

Kim W5TIT


I'm not too worried about it as I'm a very mellow person. I accept it as
the compliment that it appears to have been intended to be.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Kim July 23rd 05 02:29 AM

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one of the
guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you have

not
only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature

might
lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices here--it
is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should really (well,
encourage more females so there is something resembling a "balance"

here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


Thank you.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I am shocked, Dee. You actually think this attitude is OK from a guy?

Kim W5TIT



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John Smith July 23rd 05 02:36 AM

look, what you think, what you expect, what you want--don't waste your
time or mine telling me--get it or don't, I am here neither to stop
you nor assist you...

.... next, if you have to go though quoting each and ever line and/or
paragraph you are responding to, and you cannot organize your thought
and create your own text without intermingling it with mine--don't
expect me to read it, I don't have the time to be wading though a
bunch of text I have written myself--create a work of your own which
can stand on its own two feet! I know you have seen others incapable
of free thought and an attention span shorter than their thumb do
it--but dependence on another to weed through that mess you create is
way too much to ask for!

So, you proclaim yourself neither a libber nor to follow what was a
conventional woman's behavior from before--ok, big deal, free world,
you waste my time, don't tell me about it do it!!! I find such
proclamation neither new, original or threatening... perhaps boring, I
have been doing it since I was born!

I note you wish to argue, can you stay focused, what is it you are
saying here, use your own text... don't cut and paste mine or others,
if you can't write--take a class!

If you have anything real to say, I'll be here...

John

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Kim:

I expected as much, a women libber who isn't a libber at all.


And you are showing your real ignorance. I am far, far from being a
Pansy-ass women's libber. I disagree with most Women's Liberation
Theology,
I disagree with the tenent of being a Women's Liberation victim
(yes, I said
victim); and I think most of the Women's Libbers I've met are about
as
misrepresentative of everyday life as they can possibly be.

I think women should be as capable as anyone else. I try not to see
this as
a male/female world, because I think that is very devisive and
nonproductive. I will get into the ring of life along with anyone
else, and
I don't look to anyone else to live it for me. If you call that
"bad," it's
my opinion that you are threatened by that. I don't need any man's
permission for thing, nor would I ever allow a man to think I did.


Rather a spoiled female brat which wants all the perks of being
female
and none of the responsibility.


Hardly. I can't think of a perk that I'm interested in.


And, you are right, gays marrying makes a mockery out of marriage.
Two
butt buddies (or two lesbian lick masters) are ridiculous and
should
be give mental health to repair their suffering mental
conditions...


Nope. That isn't right at all--at least not from my perspective. I
was
cutting into the tragic philosophy that you have. I notice you
didn't say
much about any of the shortcomings we have as people who aren't gay
or
lesbian. I believe you are quite mistaken about your beliefs. But,
you are
entitled to your thoughts on the matter.


You wouldn't know a real female if she ran up and bit ya on yer
bum.
Already you are whinning because your tricks ain't going to work
here.


Mmm. Your perverted thoughts of women's body parts is noted. And,
what
tricks are you speaking of? You just can't handle a woman who is
quite
capable of holding her own. Like I said, that thing your packin' is
pretty
worthless.


Screw off, you are just a new age wacko and they are a dime a
dozen!
You are too used to people kissing yer bum to be politically
correct,
ain't gonna happen here--I have too much respect for myself.


I am not the slightest bit interested in anyone kissing my
ass...right now
in particular: you. And, I doubt you have "too much" respect for
yourself.
Your actions say otherwise. I'd pretty much come to the decision
that you
are a man in peril with himself.


If you want to stay focused on ham issues good. If you want to
argue
being politically correct or I have to suffer your opinions and
views--chuck it girl!

John


Oh, yeah. I see the "ham issues" you're discussing. ROFLMAO...
What a
friggin' weanie... When you get to be HALF the irritant that Larry
Roll is,
come back and see me.

Kim W5TIT



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Kim July 23rd 05 02:38 AM

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
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Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one of
the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you
have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something resembling
a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


OHMYGAWD!!!! Hey, Dee? Wanna borrow my pahuke bucket?

bleh....

Kim W5TIT


I'm not too worried about it as I'm a very mellow person. I accept it as
the compliment that it appears to have been intended to be.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



hmmmmm, appearances are nearly always, always deceiving.

Kim W5TIT



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[email protected] July 23rd 05 02:40 AM

From: Mike Coslo on Jul 22, 4:01 pm

wrote:
From: Michael Coslo on Fri 22 Jul 2005 13:37
K4YZ wrote:
Jayson Davis wrote:



And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:


"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"


That would be a REALISTIC beginning... :-)


Oh, Michael, we've all seen the "crowd" represented by K4YZ. :-)


Steve represents mostly himself. I've seen a lot of people who
represent a lot of things.


Ahhhh...but to merely disagree with K4YZ is to HATE HAM RADIO!

Ergo, he IS ham radio! :-)


To Jayson:


Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.


Not the YOU "us," Michael. The ARRL badly needs new membership.
They've never had as many as a quarter of all U.S. amateur
radio licensees as members and are currently down around just
20% of licensees.


ARR?


I wrote "ARRL" sweetums...and it comes back as "ARRL."


ARRL is more business than organization and
the business side of the house has to show a profit.


I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?


Why are you sounding insecure? The FCC defines U.S. amateur
radio. You don't define U.S. amateur radio.


Insecure? So are the others who *know* how it is to be defined also
insecure?


Tsk. Don't try that ploy. THE FCC DEFINES AMATEUR RADIO
IN THE UNITED STATES. Period. They grant the licenses for
same.

Others merely INTERPRET what THEY THINK it is about.


You are sounding EXACTLY like the "superior OTs" you decry in
another message...like everyone MUST accept what YOU accept
as a definition. Tsk.


Tsk indeed. My question is a simple one. Its a rough equivalent of the
US basing our economic policy on what a group of olde tyme Russian
communists think it should be. They didn't like us much at all. I bet
they had some "good ideas" on how we should run things though...


"Russian communists" have NOTHING to do with this NPRM.

Try to stay focussed.


"Bright people wanting to experiment" aren't going to fall in love
with a radio service demanding all below-30-MHz-privileged
individuals demonstrate telegraphy skills...especially when
that skill goes back 161 years! :-)


Lots of bright students don't want to learn anything that they don't
think is relevant.


Har! That's one of the WEAKEST arguments mumbled by so many.

The FCC is NOT an academic institution and licensees are NOT
"students"...NOT even prospective licensees going for a test.

Actually, that "argument" is total bull**** OUT of the academic
arena. ALL the OTHER radio services (except maritime radio on
the Great Lakes) have GIVEN UP on morse code for communications.
It simply hasn't proven to be "better" than other modes, takes
longer, and no longer "gets through" better.

All you are doing with that "argument" is really enforcing a
sort of tribal myth, aka a "hazing" ritual. Note: The FCC
isn't a fraternity house either.


BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?


How does a requirement of knowing 161-year-old morsemanship
skill attract the "bright and intelligent?" :-)


non sequitur. I wasn't writing of Morse code.


Hello? See that Subject Line up on the Header? This whole thread
is about the NPRM in WT Docket 05-235...which is about DROPPING
the MORSE CODE TEST.

I really do NOT know what YOU are writing about...some of the time.


Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.


Why?


Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.


Poor babies...feeling "hated" are you both?


Everyone is hated by someone. If a person allows themselves to be
bothered by it, they are a poor baby indeed.


No, sweetums, YOU got the non-sequitur. Note what I said about
K4YZ: Anyone simply disagreeing with him is ACCUSED to be
HATING HAM RADIO! Search all you want through Google and you
will find him using that "phrase of hate." Do YOU want to be
like him?

Feeling "hated" because so few agree with your self-proclaimed
"definitions" of What It Is All About?


If 50 million people believe a foolish thing is true, it remains a
foolish thing.


"50 million people in WHAT?" Where are you dreaming today?

Hello? Concentrate on the thread subject.


Yes, it's all a big conspiracy. All those who disagree with you
two HATE YOU! Not only that, THEY HATE HAM RADIO...because you
two define yourself as "ham radio!" [you two have the conspiracy
thing all in a row, lined up...in your minds]


Easy there, don't get the B.P. up!


Are you now a "nurse?" My "beep" is as close to 120 over 80 as an
adult male can get.

Tsk, Michael, your "visual hearing" is suffering from "visual
tinnitus" also. Or its your ego getting in the way of logical
objectivity. Try to understand that YOU do NOT define U.S.
amateur radio...the FCC does. Just because others don't accept
your interpretation does NOT mean they "hate ham radio."


Tsk. How little you two know of REAL engineering and
"experimentation." :-)


So what you are saying is that those who do know about REAL engineering
and "experimentation" won't do it unless only everything is to their
exact liking? Otherwise they will simply wait until everything is to
their exact liking?


No, I'm just saying you two don't know dink about REAL
engineering...or experimentation. :-)

You both like to posture as if you do, but neither does. :-)

Have fun in the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society). [why
are you here instead of playing with your HF radios?]


I am here *while* I'm playing with my HF radio.


BS. At a little after 1:30 on a Friday afternoon you should
be WORKING at your place of employment. You only work 4 days
a week? Tsk, NOT the Capitalist Way!

At the close of FCC business in DC on 22 Jul 05, the Comments
on WT Docket 05-235 are running about 2:1 in favor of dropping
the code test. [just a little reminder] Stay "tuned." On your
"HF radio" or your computer. [don't get them mixed up]

bit bit



Kim July 23rd 05 02:41 AM

Are you drunk? Or, is it drugs?

Kim W5TIT



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John Smith July 23rd 05 02:45 AM

Kim:

Don't even imagine you have earned such a "peace offering" yet...

ROFLOL!!!

John

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one
of
the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female;
you
have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something
resembling
a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


OHMYGAWD!!!! Hey, Dee? Wanna borrow my pahuke bucket?

bleh....

Kim W5TIT



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John Smith July 23rd 05 02:48 AM

Kim:

When I view your text a peculiar thing happens... the letters
rearrange themselves and end up spelling:

"'CHIT STIRRER"

Ahhh, maybe I need new glasses...
grin

John

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as
"one of
the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female;
you
have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive
nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor
should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something
resembling
a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


OHMYGAWD!!!! Hey, Dee? Wanna borrow my pahuke bucket?

bleh....

Kim W5TIT


I'm not too worried about it as I'm a very mellow person. I accept
it as
the compliment that it appears to have been intended to be.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



hmmmmm, appearances are nearly always, always deceiving.

Kim W5TIT



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John Smith July 23rd 05 02:49 AM

Dee:

You are quite welcome, and deserving... thank you for being so
gracious...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one
of the guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female;
you have not only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive nature
might lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should
really (well, encourage more females so there is something
resembling a "balance" here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


Thank you.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




John Smith July 23rd 05 02:51 AM

Kim:

Do you ever wonder how deep my "perversion" goes, the one you accused
me of--in that mess you made by intermingling my text with yours?

Well, don't, I am sitting here undressing you with my eyes!!!

ROFLOL!!!!!

John

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Let us both look at this, we both know I have treated you as "one
of the
guys" here, I have pulled no punches because you are female; you
have

not
only taken it in stride, you have taken it well.

Don't feel I do not value your comments, even if my abrasive
nature

might
lead you to that conclusion.

Because you are female, you are one of the most valuable voices
here--it
is just that way, nothing anyone can do about, nor should really
(well,
encourage more females so there is something resembling a
"balance"

here.)

Hang tough girl, ya got what it takes... warm smile

John


Thank you.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I am shocked, Dee. You actually think this attitude is OK from a
guy?

Kim W5TIT



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John Smith July 23rd 05 02:52 AM

Geesh...

Kim, I don't have time... neither for drugs, alcohol or you...

John

"Kim" wrote in message
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Are you drunk? Or, is it drugs?

Kim W5TIT



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Cmdr Buzz Corey July 23rd 05 03:23 AM

John Smith wrote:
Cmdr Buzz:

Hey, did you really think--I think, she really has 5 size W boobs?

disappointed-look-on-face

John


Don't know but you probably don't want to mentally undress her unless
you can take being scared half to death.

John Smith July 23rd 05 03:45 AM

Cmdr Buzz:

Hey, did you really think--I think, she really has 5 size W boobs?

disappointed-look-on-face

John

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Kim:

I expected as much, a women libber who isn't a libber at all.

Rather a spoiled female brat which wants all the perks of being
female and none of the responsibility.

And, you are right, gays marrying makes a mockery out of marriage.
Two butt buddies (or two lesbian lick masters) are ridiculous and
should be give mental health to repair their suffering mental
conditions...

You wouldn't know a real female if she ran up and bit ya on yer
bum. Already you are whinning because your tricks ain't going to
work here.

Screw off, you are just a new age wacko and they are a dime a
dozen! You are too used to people kissing yer bum to be politically
correct, ain't gonna happen here--I have too much respect for
myself.

If you want to stay focused on ham issues good. If you want to
argue being politically correct or I have to suffer your opinions
and views--chuck it girl!

John


LOL!!! Gotta luv it! Why do you think she got that call John? She
needs attention.




John Smith July 23rd 05 05:51 AM

commander:

I would consider it to be as likely I like the woman, as not, if I
ever meet her...

These news threads are hardly "real life."

(just be disappointed if she doesn't really have five size w boobs!
Can you just imagine the bra which would hold those puppies!!!!)
joking-grin

John

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Cmdr Buzz:

Hey, did you really think--I think, she really has 5 size W boobs?

disappointed-look-on-face

John


Don't know but you probably don't want to mentally undress her
unless you can take being scared half to death.





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