Dee:

Although we have differences in our thoughts and evaluation of this
whole situation, let us both hope you are wrong--dear.

We need some good news for a change! Amateur radio and a bright
future for it is bigger than you and I put together, indeed, it is
more important than all of us here.

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee
Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Finally, the FCC has seen the light of day.

Allowing a few senile old men to kill amateur radio with their
moth-ridden egos was too much to sit by watching. Apparently,
someone else also noticed.

This may be a hint that a new dawn may be rising on amateur radio
and some new energetic fellows may be allowed to step in and move
amateur radio from the stoneage.

I think all knew, it was only a matter of time. I just expected
more would have to fall to death by old age before this would
happen, but I knew time was close. Still, keep your fingers
crossed, a few old "girly-boy" old hams bit*hing like old women can
hold back true advancement.

This does prophesize the future, however, a few years may still
need to pass before this is finally realized.

John


Well we'll have to wait and see. Personally I predict a flurry of
upgrades but no sustained growth.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

wrote in message
oups.com...
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc


73 de Jim, N2EY

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Although we have differences in our thoughts and evaluation of this whole
situation, let us both hope you are wrong--dear.

We need some good news for a change! Amateur radio and a bright future
for it is bigger than you and I put together, indeed, it is more important
than all of us here.

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee

I see a fine future for amateur radio but I also see a stabilization of
numbers just as is occuring in our population growth and all the other
activities to which I belong. The news of the FCC action and the action
itself will have little to no noticeable impact. Ham radio would continue
to develop either way.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

If you would chart developments and advancements in every technical
field--amateur radio would come in last; frankly, I would doubt ones
mental abilities who would even move in the direction of challenging
that statement.

A religious devotion to cw and a real "good old boys club" has damaged
amateur radio for decades. Personalities which have an "anti-social
bent" have been in control here far too long, calling them just
"eccentric" is far too kind.

Let us hope that decades of damage which has been done can be repaired
quickly by the young men I am wishing and hoping to be here with us.

Too often, tunnel vision only allows us to see that which we wish to
see, but none can deny amateur radio has been in decline for
decades--there is some reason for that.

Now we need to encourage bright young men from industry here, so that
we may mass produce cheap equipment and make amateur radio easy to
step into. Hopefully, china and other developing countries will find
it profitable and worth doing, to mass produce amateur equipment in a
flowing abundance. Hopefully, soon, in the future the bands will be
so congested calls are made for the bands to be expanded to
accommodate all the hams needing bandwidth. A boom like that which CB
experienced in the 70's would be most desirable, however, I do realize
this is probably too much to even hope for.

As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Although we have differences in our thoughts and evaluation of this
whole situation, let us both hope you are wrong--dear.

We need some good news for a change! Amateur radio and a bright
future for it is bigger than you and I put together, indeed, it is
more important than all of us here.

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee

I see a fine future for amateur radio but I also see a stabilization
of numbers just as is occuring in our population growth and all the
other activities to which I belong. The news of the FCC action and
the action itself will have little to no noticeable impact. Ham
radio would continue to develop either way.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

John Smith wrote:
Dee:

If you would chart developments and advancements in every technical
field--amateur radio would come in last; frankly, I would doubt ones
mental abilities who would even move in the direction of challenging
that statement.

A religious devotion to cw and a real "good old boys club" has damaged
amateur radio for decades. Personalities which have an "anti-social
bent" have been in control here far too long, calling them just
"eccentric" is far too kind.

Let us hope that decades of damage which has been done can be repaired
quickly by the young men I am wishing and hoping to be here with us.

Too often, tunnel vision only allows us to see that which we wish to
see, but none can deny amateur radio has been in decline for
decades--there is some reason for that.

Now we need to encourage bright young men from industry here, so that
we may mass produce cheap equipment and make amateur radio easy to
step into. Hopefully, china and other developing countries will find
it profitable and worth doing, to mass produce amateur equipment in a
flowing abundance. Hopefully, soon, in the future the bands will be
so congested calls are made for the bands to be expanded to
accommodate all the hams needing bandwidth. A boom like that which CB
experienced in the 70's would be most desirable, however, I do realize
this is probably too much to even hope for.

As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...

Dee:

Although we have differences in our thoughts and evaluation of this
whole situation, let us both hope you are wrong--dear.

We need some good news for a change! Amateur radio and a bright
future for it is bigger than you and I put together, indeed, it is
more important than all of us here.

Warmest regards,
John

"Dee

I see a fine future for amateur radio but I also see a stabilization
of numbers just as is occuring in our population growth and all the
other activities to which I belong. The news of the FCC action and
the action itself will have little to no noticeable impact. Ham
radio would continue to develop either way.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

John Smith wrote:

Dee:

If you would chart developments and advancements in every technical
field--amateur radio would come in last; frankly, I would doubt ones
mental abilities who would even move in the direction of challenging
that statement.


Exactly right on point. Not since the 1950's has amateur radio had much
of an impact on the "radio art". Packet briefly did, but it was rapidly
eclipsed by technology.



A religious devotion to cw and a real "good old boys club" has
damaged amateur radio for decades. Personalities which have an
"anti-social bent" have been in control here far too long, calling them
just "eccentric" is far too kind.


Not CW, but a general eccentric flavor has damaged amateur radio. Since
the 1960's amateur radio has attracted the social misfits who fit in by
the virtue of having a license and their social ineptitude excused
because of the license.

Nothing wrong with a "good old boys club", it's just that it's moved
from a technical organization to a beer and belching organization with
no real roots in advancement of the art. Sitting around and talking
about scratching your testicals on 75 meter SSB has ZERO attraction to
people with half a brain, and THIS is the problem with amateur radio. It
isn't CW, it isn't lack of social skills or good hygiene, it's just that
it doesn't attract engineers and good electronics technicians because it
simply isn't challenging enough.



Let us hope that decades of damage which has been done can be
repaired quickly by the young men I am wishing and hoping to be here
with us.


Ain't gonna happen, I'm afraid. The bright young men are shooting 2.4
gig WiFi at each other and bypassing amateur radio entirely. It's too late.


Now we need to encourage bright young men from industry here, so that
we may mass produce cheap equipment and make amateur radio easy to step
into. Hopefully, china and other developing countries will find it
profitable and worth doing, to mass produce amateur equipment in a
flowing abundance. Hopefully, soon, in the future the bands will be so
congested calls are made for the bands to be expanded to accommodate all
the hams needing bandwidth. A boom like that which CB experienced in
the 70's would be most desirable, however, I do realize this is probably
too much to even hope for.



All you're going to get are people from CB. The bright young engineers
are not going to touch amateur radio because there isn't anything here
to attract them.


As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.



It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.

If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?

HA!

Jayson:

On a few points you are right on. However, try to net a high speed
data link on 2.4 GHZ to hawaii, australia, the uk--fat chance!!! (and
you might as well forget 220 MHz too--50MHz with ducting, well, maybe)

This is what HF is for, old farts got confused and though it was for
brass keys and brass balls!

John

"Jayson Davis" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:

Dee:

If you would chart developments and advancements in every
technical
field--amateur radio would come in last; frankly, I would doubt ones
mental abilities who would even move in the direction of challenging
that statement.


Exactly right on point. Not since the 1950's has amateur radio had
much of an impact on the "radio art". Packet briefly did, but it
was rapidly eclipsed by technology.



A religious devotion to cw and a real "good old boys club" has
damaged amateur radio for decades. Personalities which have an
"anti-social bent" have been in control here far too long, calling
them just "eccentric" is far too kind.


Not CW, but a general eccentric flavor has damaged amateur radio.
Since the 1960's amateur radio has attracted the social misfits who
fit in by the virtue of having a license and their social ineptitude
excused because of the license.

Nothing wrong with a "good old boys club", it's just that it's moved
from a technical organization to a beer and belching organization
with no real roots in advancement of the art. Sitting around and
talking about scratching your testicals on 75 meter SSB has ZERO
attraction to people with half a brain, and THIS is the problem with
amateur radio. It isn't CW, it isn't lack of social skills or good
hygiene, it's just that it doesn't attract engineers and good
electronics technicians because it simply isn't challenging enough.



Let us hope that decades of damage which has been done can be
repaired quickly by the young men I am wishing and hoping to be here
with us.


Ain't gonna happen, I'm afraid. The bright young men are shooting
2.4 gig WiFi at each other and bypassing amateur radio entirely.
It's too late.


Now we need to encourage bright young men from industry here, so
that
we may mass produce cheap equipment and make amateur radio easy to
step into. Hopefully, china and other developing countries will
find it profitable and worth doing, to mass produce amateur
equipment in a flowing abundance. Hopefully, soon, in the future
the bands will be so congested calls are made for the bands to be
expanded to accommodate all the hams needing bandwidth. A boom like
that which CB experienced in the 70's would be most desirable,
however, I do realize this is probably too much to even hope for.



All you're going to get are people from CB. The bright young
engineers are not going to touch amateur radio because there isn't
anything here to attract them.


As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement.
Spreading the word and helping others to study and pass the written
exam will be key in getting the numbers we need at that time.



It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want
to become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want
to do that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters?
The whole hobby is passe.

If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in,
challenge them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to
attract people?

HA!

Jayson Davis wrote:

As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.

I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".

It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.

So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".

If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?

HA!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllp....Markie wil chime in here and say I
am "attacking" Lennie, but there's been a no code license for just that
very kind of experimentation for 14 years now, and Lennie and hi ilk
have been more than welcome to jump right in and develop all the new
data protocols they'd like to do.

Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?

Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:


Jayson Davis wrote:


As soon as cw falls, I see the most important step being in
"advertising" the fact that cw is no longer a requirement. Spreading
the word and helping others to study and pass the written exam will be
key in getting the numbers we need at that time.


I don't even see that as being a "happening thing", Jayson.
Amateur Radio, just like fishing, or NASCAR, or R/C models, etc etc has
always attracted a certain "crowd".

And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"



It's not an issue of numbers, it's an issue of why would anyone want to
become an amateur radio operator. Really now, why would you want to do
that? To talk on repeaters? To work some guy on 20 meters? The whole
hobby is passe.

To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.

I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?


So's dropping a line in the water and trying to hook a fish, but
millions of folks do it every year...Not because it's the only way to
feed their families, but just for fun.

Anyone can get into chat rooms or exchange e-mail with folks
almost anywhere in the world...but there will still be the thrill of
doing it with "wireless".


If you want to attract the bright intelligent minds, you better be
prepared to challenge them. Challenge them to let them in, challenge
them when they get here. Do you think ax.25 is going to attract people?

To Jayson again: (Sorry Steve, I didn't see the post until now)

Question number 1 - Why do so many people seem to think that the
internet is some kind of Hi-Tech wonderland - and that Amateur Radio
darn well better emulate it?

Side note..... If you think that the Internet is at the cutting
edge.... well, we know that you aren't.

And yes, mentioning AX. 25 is telling me that. Packet radio is FAIAP
not at all about transmission of large amounts of data. It has morphed
into APRS, GPS apps, C and C and other areas which do indeed attract
bright people who want to experiment.

BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?

I suspect it might sound snobbish, but it *is* true that 50 percent of
people are below average. Gospel truth!



Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllp....Markie wil chime in here and say I
am "attacking" Lennie, but there's been a no code license for just that
very kind of experimentation for 14 years now, and Lennie and hi ilk
have been more than welcome to jump right in and develop all the new
data protocols they'd like to do.

Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?

Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

Yup.

- Mike KB3EIA -

K4YZ wrote:


Because all THEY are interested in is playing on HF...If all those
engineering types had any interest in obtaining an Amateur Radio
license for "experimenting" purposes, it would be a done deal.

Rather a sad sign of our times, Steve. We live in an era in which
"things" are so simple. NeoCons can attribute ALL problems to the
mythical "liberal", who despite being almost nonexistant today, is still
somehow responsible for all the ills of society.

In the same way, we have a lot of people who are willing to attest
every problem, real or imagined, to that dreaded Element 1 test. It is
responsible for the "declining number of Hams", etc etc, etc.

They will get the chance to put their theory to the test. They will
also find out they are wrong.


By the way, has no one else noticed that the drop off in numbers is
primarily Technicians who were not code tested?

Kinda puts the lie to that theory right away doesn't it?

There was not that much effort, and those who were not all that
interested got their license. Ten years later, they allowed the license
to lapse.

- Mike KB3EIA -