Kim wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license

Big snip to....

OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty convinced that
it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole huge
trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER HUSBAND AS
CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a chill pill.

The point, I think, Kim, was that there was, once upon a time, a
suggestion to allow the spouse to operate a "unit" of an Amateur Radio
station just like CB or GMRS...

And ultimately that's what the patitioner was told...Get a GMRS
license!

I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much
more competitive)

You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them
let their wimpy-###ed husbands get into it and get a radio.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?



THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women.


Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing hysterically ( )
Get a load of this: "these" women.


Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John


Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd have to
see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it this way:
see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of
strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women, of whom
it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS
strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your mighty
little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb. By the
way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your
guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you need to
get out of that closet you're in.

Kim...if you were in Tennessee right now, or I in Texas, I'd have
only two words for a woman with an attitude like that...

SADDLE UP! =) =) =) =)

Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for the
office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My little
pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously surrounded by
idiot women, the only types he can deal with.

A bit, uuh...dare I say it..."hormonal" are we, today...?!?!

=)

88

Steve, K4YZ

Kim:

I expected as much, a women libber who isn't a libber at all.

Rather a spoiled female brat which wants all the perks of being female
and none of the responsibility.

And, you are right, gays marrying makes a mockery out of marriage. Two
butt buddies (or two lesbian lick masters) are ridiculous and should
be give mental health to repair their suffering mental conditions...

You wouldn't know a real female if she ran up and bit ya on yer bum.
Already you are whinning because your tricks ain't going to work here.

Screw off, you are just a new age wacko and they are a dime a dozen!
You are too used to people kissing yer bum to be politically correct,
ain't gonna happen here--I have too much respect for myself.

If you want to stay focused on ham issues good. If you want to argue
being politically correct or I have to suffer your opinions and
views--chuck it girl!

John

"Kim" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license


Oh buhruther, that is almost a scarey comment--but I won't go there


are
probably not a significant number to really thwart the benefits
which
are possible.


Hmmmm, yeah, I am not sure how anything would thwart a benefit...(?)


Let's face it, marriage too is becoming a thing of the
past, and certainly is no longer a real lifetime commitment for the
younger generations. Gay marriage is probably the final nail in
that
coffin.


Uh oh. Yeah, 'dem gays is ruining everything. It's because of them
that
parents don't raise their kids with enough gumption to make smart
decisions
on love and marriage, and having kids. It's because of them that
skillsets
to handle the baggage of everyday life aren't instilled by our
society and,
therefore, our children. It's because of them (gays--to remind
everyone)
that parents and educators are too busy getting their pockets lined
and so
can't raise kids to have more dignity and respect than to go out as
a
teen-ager and get pregnant. It's because of them that, well hell,
let's
just lay it out there for everyone to see: it's because of those
darned
friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone
to hell
in a handbasket.


The younger women of today are a different breed and don't want to
be
seen as "getting something for nothing." (which might imply, at
least
to some, that they are less able or intelligent)


OK, so wait a minute. One sentiment you express is that gays have
ruined
the institution of marriage. The next, you are saying that "the
younger
women of today" (spoken, it seems, as a true male chauvinist
asshole, by the
way) have, ummmm, higher standards? Is this the same women who get
all
those divorces, screw other womens' husbands, suck their boss'
you-know-whats, etc., as you mentioned above? The very same women
who,
today, are so wrapped up in using their bodies and sex to get
anything and
anywhere that the workplace has become a disgusting display of
seething sex
fashions? Because, I want to make sure we are on the same
page...uh, if
that's even possible?

OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty
convinced that
it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole
huge
trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER
HUSBAND AS
CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a
chill pill.


I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old
women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands
license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much
more competitive)


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35
year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST,
help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN
come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k?
Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women.


Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing
hysterically ( )
Get a load of this: "these" women.


Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it
may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of
their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John


Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd
have to
see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it
this way:
see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of
strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women,
of whom
it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS
strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your
mighty
little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb.
By the
way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your
guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you
need to
get out of that closet you're in.

Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for
the
office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My
little
pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously
surrounded by
idiot women, the only types he can deal with.

Kim W5TIT


"Kim" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc


73 de Jim, N2EY


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they
are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people
taking
element
3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped
up
before
their CSCEs expire.

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the
Morse
code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if
their
is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other
class.
There
are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no
pun
intended) population of the ARS:

I am a female
I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many
licensees
are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF
General
Class freqs any time I wanted
I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local
level WHEN
I am even "hooked up"
I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much
noise

There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may
be
no
correlation at all.

Kim W5TIT



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Kim wrote:


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


Don't hold back Kim! Let the troll know exactly how you feel!

Well put BTW.. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone to hell
in a handbasket.


Yeah, the world's been going to hell in a handbasket for as
long as I can remember. Been going there in the 60's, the
70's, the 80's, the 90's and right now. Funny how things
haven't really degraded any.

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc


73 de Jim, N2EY


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element 3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up before
their CSCEs expire.

while I hope you areright on the timeline I personaly will likely wait
till it is done, unles my partner get to to point of being rady to take
her tech test

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

From: Dee Flint on Jul 20, 9:16 pm


wrote in message
roups.com...
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention.

As of 1200 UTC on 21 July 2005, there were 349,859 of them...

That's the total of Technician and Technician Plus classes
in the USA...48.46% of all individual amateur radio licensees.

If they are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element 3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up before
their CSCEs expire.

There are a third of a million CSCEs outstanding?!? Outstanding!

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code".

"Kept out of WHAT?" :-) Radio? No.

Had the NO-CODE-TEST Technician class not been created 14 years
ago, the present number of U.S. amateur radio licensees would
have DROPPED by at least 200,000.

Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

WT Docket 05-235 has to be published in the Federal Register
first...with at least 75 days of Comments/Replies to Comments
following, then a (long?) wait for the Report and Order.

A "trend?!?" The total number of U.S. amateur radio licensees
has been dropping about three thousand per year since the peak
of July 2003. Expirations (of all classes) has exceeded the
number of NEW licensees. Novice class licensee totals have
been dropping steadily for almost two decades. The total of
Technician and Technician Plus classes is at 48.46% of all
individual licensees and might hit 50% by the end of 2005.

"Their [sic] IS a trend!" It's been there all along. New
licensees are NOT attracted by the majestic nobility and
sanctity of morse code as much as you'd like to think. The
old ways are dying...not quickly, but inexorably. Embrace
the NEW, not the old. RADIO...all of it...has been in a
constant transition in the 52+ years I've been in it...and
I started in it without any license, certainly not requiring
any morsemanship skills.

wrote in message
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http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc


73 de Jim, N2EY


Note also that the FCC took what I always considered the most likely course
on this issue and that was to simply drop the requirement, assuming that
this NPRM is implemented.

If people had not tried to overhaul the entire system in their various (18)
petitions, this most likely would have happened over a year ago.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

wrote:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp, realistically,
actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would take any
other path?

This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement
about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the
NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll
patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate
commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done
deal.

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then
back then the bands as usual.

I could care less about any of it at this late date because none of it
has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my
buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast
enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half century ago.
With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty
to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC
"restructuring" brainfart.

Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any of this
BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good:
Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out.


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

wrote:
wrote:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

Ugly. Really ugly. But who of us in the PCTA camp,
realistically,
actually had themselves deluded into thinking the FCC would
take any other path?

As I often said in the past 5 years, when FCC wrote that
code testing served no regulatory purpose other than
treaty compliance, the deal was essentially done.

The amazing thing was that it's taken two years to get
this far.

This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an
announcement
about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go
thru the
NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll
patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of
desparate
commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a
done deal.

I'll comment, like always.

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this
latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual.

Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse.

Got my antenna back up last night (had to take it down Sunday for
the new siding to go on the house). 40 was full of CW signals.
Nice chat with a VE2 on 7031. Life is good.

I could care less about any of it at this late date because
none of it
has any effect at all on me. I've been allowed to beep, yak and PSK my
buns off everywhere band edge to band edge ever since I did 13 wpm fast
enough for the examiner to make me a General over a half
century ago.
With an annoying side trip in 1968 to do 20 wpm to reconfirm my abilty
to beep good enough to retain my privs under that particular FCC
"restructuring" brainfart.

Exactly.

Game over, I'm opting out of any further participation in any
of this
BS. Seeya in the pileups on 14.020. Ya dunno how to do 14.020? Good:
Less QRM for me. Eat yer heart out.

bwaahaahaa

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
wrote:

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this
latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual.

Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse.

Yep.

Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and
Restructuring...

I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and
obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those
technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact
same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't
true then.

Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur
allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The
REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So
where were all those engineering-types then?

People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't
get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue
that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the
REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the
argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and
"shoot skip", nothing more.

I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for
Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band
subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that
much.

The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the
non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of
those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only
one or two license classes.

When that is done we can remove all references to training and
technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97.
Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe
re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96?

Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so
those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can
operate legally...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ