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July 21st 05, 11:54 PM
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Dee:
You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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July 21st 05, 11:57 PM
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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July 22nd 05, 02:42 AM
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Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE It came to him via the voices in his head. |
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#5
July 22nd 05, 04:07 AM
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commander buzzoff:
.... those voices tell me you are a bad man, a very, very bad man... ROFLOL!!! John "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE It came to him via the voices in his head. |
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#6
July 22nd 05, 05:50 AM
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It came to him via the voices in his head. Not voice (phone), but in CW! CW in his head. :-) |
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#7
July 22nd 05, 01:15 PM
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You are correct about one thing, those who are in danger of having their egos deflated, of being forced to wakeup, those realizing they are not going to be allowed to "be special" anymore are going to scream like pigs and look for some way to divert the fixes which are coming this way... John I find it difficult to see how extracted that concept from what I said. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE ROFLMAO...Dee, just look at what he extracted from me getting on the radio under my husband's General Class license and talking whenever I want. Which, by the way, I have never done yet. snorkle We haven't had HF on much since he was licensed as a General. Kim W5TIT ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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#8
July 22nd 05, 12:44 AM
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Dee:
Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#9
July 22nd 05, 02:15 AM
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#10
July 22nd 05, 02:20 AM
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Dee:
You have done it again. Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings... grin John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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