"John Smith" wrote in message
...
OMG:

I never thought about that, with the great influx of all these new
hams firing up their keys and going CW on us, phone might be in
danger!!! grin

John



Hello, John

Nope, but I've never encountered a foul word nor bad operating procedure on
cw. 160 used to be fine, even on voice mode, but other bands were ... well,
a bit different. With the 14.313 gang going a while back plus the 75 meter
folks .... well, 80 meter cw sounds good to me LOL.

The nice thing about cw is that there is seldom, if ever, rude operation
(contests don't count. Never cared for 'em and it is going to be hot and
heavy in a contest. That is part of the game. Not rude, just hot and heavy
and sometimes a bit chaotic). SSB needs close to 3 kHz of room and the
power is spread over that 3 kHz (albeit not evenly). You don't need more
than a few hundred Hertz for cw, so once you set your bandwidth to 300 Hz or
less, you've just obtained a good 10 dB attenuation of the guy trying to
irritate you. Of course, you can reduce bandwidth a bit more, but the audio
isn't evenly spread over the spectrum. In many cases you can gain 20 dB or
more advantage. Mike was running 1 kw input vs my 75 watts. His bandwidth
was 50% in the carrier (not to be heard) and the remaining 50% of his power
was spread over 6 kHz as he was running am. I didn't even hear him.

With a good notch filter, he didn't even have to hear me. He could have
carried on a conversation on am with another station whilst I chatted with
the other guy with virtually no mutual interference. Four stations in the
same "channel" .... with no interference.

Dang! I just may become more pro-code LOL



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim:

Well friend, you have been isolated.

Out here in the real world kids are cussing like sailors in grade
school, 11 year old girls are actively seeking to become pregnant,
drugs are much more prevalent than ever in the 60's and 70's.

The only areas where cussing is not seen is churches...

Whether you like it or not reality has changed...

You have hidden from the real world on 160m for far too long, and
since you have not joined the real world, the real world now comes to
you...

Get over it, for at least the near future, things are NOT going the
way most of us like--the answer to this is not setting aside 160m for
ancient old men to hide in...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
OMG:

I never thought about that, with the great influx of all these new
hams firing up their keys and going CW on us, phone might be in
danger!!! grin

John



Hello, John

Nope, but I've never encountered a foul word nor bad operating
procedure on
cw. 160 used to be fine, even on voice mode, but other bands were
... well,
a bit different. With the 14.313 gang going a while back plus the
75 meter
folks .... well, 80 meter cw sounds good to me LOL.

The nice thing about cw is that there is seldom, if ever, rude
operation
(contests don't count. Never cared for 'em and it is going to be
hot and
heavy in a contest. That is part of the game. Not rude, just hot
and heavy
and sometimes a bit chaotic). SSB needs close to 3 kHz of room and
the
power is spread over that 3 kHz (albeit not evenly). You don't need
more
than a few hundred Hertz for cw, so once you set your bandwidth to
300 Hz or
less, you've just obtained a good 10 dB attenuation of the guy
trying to
irritate you. Of course, you can reduce bandwidth a bit more, but
the audio
isn't evenly spread over the spectrum. In many cases you can gain
20 dB or
more advantage. Mike was running 1 kw input vs my 75 watts. His
bandwidth
was 50% in the carrier (not to be heard) and the remaining 50% of
his power
was spread over 6 kHz as he was running am. I didn't even hear him.

With a good notch filter, he didn't even have to hear me. He could
have
carried on a conversation on am with another station whilst I
chatted with
the other guy with virtually no mutual interference. Four stations
in the
same "channel" .... with no interference.

Dang! I just may become more pro-code LOL



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Well friend, you have been isolated.

Out here in the real world kids are cussing like sailors in grade
school, 11 year old girls are actively seeking to become pregnant,
drugs are much more prevalent than ever in the 60's and 70's.

The only areas where cussing is not seen is churches...

Whether you like it or not reality has changed...

You have hidden from the real world on 160m for far too long, and
since you have not joined the real world, the real world now comes to
you...

Get over it, for at least the near future, things are NOT going the
way most of us like--the answer to this is not setting aside 160m for
ancient old men to hide in...

John


Hello, John

Not isolated; simply realistic. We are either going to learn to live
together or we will die together.

I haven't been on 160 meters since 1966.

You are correct about the 11 year olds. We've had something like 100
shootings in Rochester so far this year.

May I assume from your post that you like the brave new world .... ?

I'm not for forcing folks to use cw; I'm simply pointing out that many folks
are ignoring certain facts.

Yep, I'm connected on 3 megabaud DSL. I can send a picture so fast .... so
long as something else (in this case a camera) put the information in the
computer first. Hey, I can cut and paste and forward very easily.

I've caught kids making mistakes, even with a calculator, when making
change. One kid had to get the manager to figure it out when she punched a
button showing I paid exact change (no, I gave her a twenty for a purchase a
bit over $12.00). I watched the manager show her how to fix it. Um ...
$21.00? No, I don't think so. He pushed a few more buttons. Over $32.00?

I finally suggested that he clear the whole thing and try again. Meanwhile,
I knew exactly what my change should have been. Another kid at the pharmacy
one time made the same error. He ran it on a calculator and gave me my
change. I gave him a penny and told him to hold on to it as his drawer was
going to be short one cent (assuming he didn't screw up another order in a
different column).

Obviously, you feel that not only should folks not learn The Calculus, they
shouldn't even have to add and subtract since a calculator can do that for
them.

More jobs for India and China.

Many thanks, however, for a good chuckle. Enjoy life whilst there is
anything left after Bush spent it all and everyone is clueless )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim:

No. You make one big mistake if you think I asked for all these
changes, or for that matter, find some easy to tolerate. Dumpsters
full of aborted fetuses, 14 year old child prostitutes, gangs of
murderous thug teenagers, homeless people in masses, child molesters
demanding rights, etc, etc...--looks kind of like a third world
country if you ask me...

CW is a simple thing for me. I never did like it, and still bitched I
had to learn it to get a decent license!

I have passed a 20 WPM test--and managed NEVER to use it on the bands,
if you catch me on CW it will be a code reader/keyboard handling my
key--I hate the sound of morse in my ears, I type 80+ words a
minute--and can talk more words than both those two sums combined, a
minute! Which, I vastly prefer to do (I prefer women to chat with
too--you don't have a 45-55 year old sister do ya
evil-glint-in-eye?)

I simply want more people on am/ssb phone to chat with, as it stands
now you will generally only catch me chatting with the aussie gals on
HF--if not there, then on CB...

In fact, because of the lack of interesting and/or younger people on
the bands, I have been on msn chat, yahoo messenger, IRC, etc, etc
lately, and of course--here in the newsgroups...

One thing I am positive of, amateur radio needs to change just to get
me back, let alone new guys/gals into the hobby...

I can't say I don't like arguing, but my real goal is a change here.

My bark is much worse than my bite, I am here for the long haul (where
they haul my coffin off that is, and I'd sooner not be in it!!! But,
really can't promise I will be able to pull that trick off... grin)

I am actually a friendly type--I don't expect you to be able to tell
from our exchanges here... ROFLOL!!!

We march on and hold a stiff upper lip--it'll all work out...

John


"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

Well friend, you have been isolated.

Out here in the real world kids are cussing like sailors in grade
school, 11 year old girls are actively seeking to become pregnant,
drugs are much more prevalent than ever in the 60's and 70's.

The only areas where cussing is not seen is churches...

Whether you like it or not reality has changed...

You have hidden from the real world on 160m for far too long, and
since you have not joined the real world, the real world now comes
to
you...

Get over it, for at least the near future, things are NOT going the
way most of us like--the answer to this is not setting aside 160m
for
ancient old men to hide in...

John


Hello, John

Not isolated; simply realistic. We are either going to learn to
live
together or we will die together.

I haven't been on 160 meters since 1966.

You are correct about the 11 year olds. We've had something like
100
shootings in Rochester so far this year.

May I assume from your post that you like the brave new world .... ?

I'm not for forcing folks to use cw; I'm simply pointing out that
many folks
are ignoring certain facts.

Yep, I'm connected on 3 megabaud DSL. I can send a picture so fast
.... so
long as something else (in this case a camera) put the information
in the
computer first. Hey, I can cut and paste and forward very easily.

I've caught kids making mistakes, even with a calculator, when
making
change. One kid had to get the manager to figure it out when she
punched a
button showing I paid exact change (no, I gave her a twenty for a
purchase a
bit over $12.00). I watched the manager show her how to fix it. Um
...
$21.00? No, I don't think so. He pushed a few more buttons. Over
$32.00?

I finally suggested that he clear the whole thing and try again.
Meanwhile,
I knew exactly what my change should have been. Another kid at the
pharmacy
one time made the same error. He ran it on a calculator and gave me
my
change. I gave him a penny and told him to hold on to it as his
drawer was
going to be short one cent (assuming he didn't screw up another
order in a
different column).

Obviously, you feel that not only should folks not learn The
Calculus, they
shouldn't even have to add and subtract since a calculator can do
that for
them.

More jobs for India and China.

Many thanks, however, for a good chuckle. Enjoy life whilst there
is
anything left after Bush spent it all and everyone is clueless )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

No. You make one big mistake if you think I asked for all these
changes, or for that matter, find some easy to tolerate. Dumpsters
full of aborted fetuses, 14 year old child prostitutes, gangs of
murderous thug teenagers, homeless people in masses, child molesters
demanding rights, etc, etc...--looks kind of like a third world
country if you ask me...

CW is a simple thing for me. I never did like it, and still bitched I
had to learn it to get a decent license!

I have passed a 20 WPM test--and managed NEVER to use it on the bands,
if you catch me on CW it will be a code reader/keyboard handling my
key--I hate the sound of morse in my ears, I type 80+ words a
minute--and can talk more words than both those two sums combined, a
minute! Which, I vastly prefer to do (I prefer women to chat with
too--you don't have a 45-55 year old sister do ya
evil-glint-in-eye?)

I simply want more people on am/ssb phone to chat with, as it stands
now you will generally only catch me chatting with the aussie gals on
HF--if not there, then on CB...

In fact, because of the lack of interesting and/or younger people on
the bands, I have been on msn chat, yahoo messenger, IRC, etc, etc
lately, and of course--here in the newsgroups...

One thing I am positive of, amateur radio needs to change just to get
me back, let alone new guys/gals into the hobby...

I can't say I don't like arguing, but my real goal is a change here.

My bark is much worse than my bite, I am here for the long haul (where
they haul my coffin off that is, and I'd sooner not be in it!!! But,
really can't promise I will be able to pull that trick off... grin)

I am actually a friendly type--I don't expect you to be able to tell
from our exchanges here... ROFLOL!!!

We march on and hold a stiff upper lip--it'll all work out...

John



Hello, John

Actually, I enjoyed your response (did I admit that? For shame! LOL).

If you can type 80 words per minute, you'll certainly beat me. My best
days, years (and years!) ago, I might have been able to keep an average of
75 or so. I did 65 on the typing test on a manual typewriter in high school
after a 1 year business typing course (I can not write or print decently;
readable, perhaps, but not well). I must admit to having slowed a tad (not
a lot, but a bit) as I've aged. Sigh.

I honestly don't know what can or should be changed with amateur radio. If
someone is truly interested in it, they will learn and pass the tests. The
tests are hardly difficult. Heck, I got a commercial telegraph ticket and
never used it. Very difficult technical questions such as "why do you avoid
long horizontal sections of waveguide?". Ooops, that was the radar
endorsement. Everyone should know that radio waves have to bounce up and
down to be reflected. Horizontal doesn't cut it. Right? )) Common
sense dictates about condensation and many of the questions on the
radiotelegraph, radio telephone, and amateur tickets are simply common
sense. Sure, there are some tougher questions, but common sense will get
you through perhaps 1/3 of the exam. With no study.

The fact is that between cell phones and the Internet, a lot of kids don't
even see why anyone would be interested in radio. Should they not even
think about it until they are 12 or 13, then their minds tend to gravitate
*very* strongly towards the opposite sex and just about anything else seems
unimportant. Been there, worn that T-shirt LOL. I had been bitten,
however, around the age of 11 and the radio bug just didn't completely go
away (although it did fade quite a bit from time to time).

I've seen folks try and start honest threads about what should be done to
try and kickstart amateur radio again. I honestly don't have an answer.
Usually, arguments result.

Eliminating cw may eliminate a "barrier", but how do amateurs interest
others in amateur radio? Forget the barrier as it appears about to be
eliminated.

There are a lot of good CBers, but I certainly don't want folks screaming
"AUDIOOOO" into their mics. I also don't care to hear the "radio cops"
slamming someone for saying something like "my preferred first personal is
...." or "the handle here is ....". All of us were beginners at some point.

Quite frankly, in the early 60s, it was common in amateur radio to use the
term "handle". My guess is that when the CB community picked it up, the
radio cops started condemning it on amateur frequencies.

Unless you fear causing real hate and dissent amongst this group, I'd like
to hear some suggestions concerning getting folks interested in amateur
radio.

As to me, I'm not going anywhere very soon as I've a number of graves I've
yet to p*ss on LOL



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:

I've caught kids making mistakes, even with a calculator, when making
change. One kid had to get the manager to figure it out when she punched a
button showing I paid exact change (no, I gave her a twenty for a purchase a
bit over $12.00). I watched the manager show her how to fix it. Um ...
$21.00? No, I don't think so. He pushed a few more buttons. Over $32.00?

I finally suggested that he clear the whole thing and try again. Meanwhile,
I knew exactly what my change should have been. Another kid at the pharmacy
one time made the same error. He ran it on a calculator and gave me my
change. I gave him a penny and told him to hold on to it as his drawer was
going to be short one cent (assuming he didn't screw up another order in a
different column).

The difference between the older and newer generation is, if the new
generation does calculations by long hand, then use a calculator to see
if their cyphering was correct. The older generation cyphers on a
calculator, the does it by long hand to see if the calculator is correct.