Dee:

Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto
two class system."

Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning?

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...


wrote:
wrote:

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this
latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more
then back then the bands as usual.

Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse.

Yep.

Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT
and
Restructuring...

I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out
and
obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those
technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the
exact
same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it
wasn't
true then.

Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur
allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum.
The
REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations.
So
where were all those engineering-types then?

People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't
get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO
argue
that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of
the
REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the
argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and
"shoot skip", nothing more.

I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for
Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band
subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep
that
much.


I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is
code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the
proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the
possibility.

The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the
non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all
of
those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have
only
one or two license classes.


You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded
anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively
inactive anyhow.

As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right
now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there
will be a de facto two class system.

When that is done we can remove all references to training and
technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part
97.
Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe
re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96?

Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters
so
those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can
operate legally...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto
two class system."

Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning?

John


Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had
nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...


wrote:
wrote:

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this
latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then
back then the bands as usual.

Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse.

Yep.

Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and
Restructuring...

I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and
obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those
technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact
same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't
true then.

Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur
allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The
REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So
where were all those engineering-types then?

People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't
get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue
that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the
REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the
argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and
"shoot skip", nothing more.

I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for
Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band
subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that
much.


I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code
elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals
that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility.

The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the
non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of
those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only
one or two license classes.


You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway.
Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow.

As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and
it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de
facto two class system.

When that is done we can remove all references to training and
technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97.
Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe
re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96?

Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so
those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can
operate legally...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

You have done it again.

Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based",
and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of
feelings... grin

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto
two class system."

Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning?

John


Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen
and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...


wrote:
wrote:

I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this
latest "restructing"
will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more
then back then the bands as usual.

Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse.

Yep.

Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the
NCT and
Restructuring...

I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out
and
obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those
technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the
exact
same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it
wasn't
true then.

Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur
allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum.
The
REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations.
So
where were all those engineering-types then?

People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk
don't
get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO
argue
that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All
of the
REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so
the
argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF
and
"shoot skip", nothing more.

I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for
Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow
band
subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep
that
much.


I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is
code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed
the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the
possibility.

The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the
non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since
all of
those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have
only
one or two license classes.


You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded
anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively
inactive anyhow.

As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right
now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that
there will be a de facto two class system.

When that is done we can remove all references to training
and
technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of
Part 97.
Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe
re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96?

Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc
Meters so
those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia"
can
operate legally...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

You have done it again.

Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and
you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings...
grin

John


All you have to do is keep in mind that I am an engineer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

Yes, you are indeed a cut above most I have run across, your text
reflects that well, what is your engineering degree in?

I have a BS in EE and a MS in CS... I keep threatening to complete my
doctorate--just so I can make 'em call me "Dr. Smith" innocent-look

I have been called a software engineer frequently--but I am just a
white hacker at heart... in fact, some can still remember when I was
just a barefoot kid with holes in the knees of my blue jeans and a
curiosity which dove 'em all nuts!

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

You have done it again.

Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion
based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally
devoid of feelings... grin

John


All you have to do is keep in mind that I am an engineer.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Yes, you are indeed a cut above most I have run across, your text reflects
that well, what is your engineering degree in?

I have a BS in EE and a MS in CS... I keep threatening to complete my
doctorate--just so I can make 'em call me "Dr. Smith" innocent-look

I have been called a software engineer frequently--but I am just a white
hacker at heart... in fact, some can still remember when I was just a
barefoot kid with holes in the knees of my blue jeans and a curiosity
which dove 'em all nuts!

John


My degree is in Aerospace Engineering. However, I now work in the
automotive industry since the aerospace industry took a major slump a few
years ago.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

Just could explain why all these cars have taken on an "aerodynamic
look" to 'em... yes indeed, I think I can see your hand at work here.

If fact, now I look closer, some pretty feline lines grace those rigs!
grin

Just offhand, I'd bet aerospace was much more interesting...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

Yes, you are indeed a cut above most I have run across, your text
reflects that well, what is your engineering degree in?

I have a BS in EE and a MS in CS... I keep threatening to complete
my doctorate--just so I can make 'em call me "Dr. Smith"
innocent-look

I have been called a software engineer frequently--but I am just a
white hacker at heart... in fact, some can still remember when I
was just a barefoot kid with holes in the knees of my blue jeans
and a curiosity which dove 'em all nuts!

John


My degree is in Aerospace Engineering. However, I now work in the
automotive industry since the aerospace industry took a major slump
a few years ago.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE