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an_old_friend July 21st 05 06:29 PM

a point of order, and info
 
It having been a few years since the last round I and prehaps other
could a use a reminder. Doesn't the FCC have to take some action
beyond this to put there new rules in effect


Jim Hampton July 21st 05 08:44 PM


"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...
It having been a few years since the last round I and prehaps other
could a use a reminder. Doesn't the FCC have to take some action
beyond this to put there new rules in effect


Usually, this is the next to last stop. This was a notice of proposed
rulemaking. That means that they intend to make this a reality, unless Bush
says that they should not change the rules due to dangers of weapons of mass
destruction.

Code red, code red! Battle stations, everyone. Danger, Will Robinson. Man
the photon torpedos. Engage trans-warp engins.

Unless there is a threat of weapons of mass destruction, the FCC will follow
through with the new rules. Of course, it might happen. Bush is always
working on things, even when on vaction. There are cell phones and they are
working on ... um, things. There are fax machines and his is always busy
working on things. Even satellite communications and he is um ... working
... on .... things ...

Did you see Farenheit 911? Always working on .... things. Golly, he seemed
so indecisive in Florida with the schoolchildren when the first tower was
hit. Eyes kept going back and fourth ... then the secret service guy
whispered in his ear (the second tower was hit). Still he sat there with
his eyeballs clicking back and fourth.

He must have been working .... working on things ...

My guess is that the changes will occur as Bush is too busy with .....
things :)))

I see they are laying off another 10,000 worldwide at Kodak with 7,000 of
those local jobs. Glad Bush is working .... um, on things.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA





John Smith July 21st 05 08:54 PM

The kodak layoffs should be no surprise what-so-ever...

They have invented the digital cam yanno, and even ancient dinosaurs
(after a few years of practice) are able to push the button on one
correctly these days... LOL!

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...
It having been a few years since the last round I and prehaps other
could a use a reminder. Doesn't the FCC have to take some action
beyond this to put there new rules in effect


Usually, this is the next to last stop. This was a notice of
proposed
rulemaking. That means that they intend to make this a reality,
unless Bush
says that they should not change the rules due to dangers of weapons
of mass
destruction.

Code red, code red! Battle stations, everyone. Danger, Will
Robinson. Man
the photon torpedos. Engage trans-warp engins.

Unless there is a threat of weapons of mass destruction, the FCC
will follow
through with the new rules. Of course, it might happen. Bush is
always
working on things, even when on vaction. There are cell phones and
they are
working on ... um, things. There are fax machines and his is always
busy
working on things. Even satellite communications and he is um ...
working
.. on .... things ...

Did you see Farenheit 911? Always working on .... things. Golly,
he seemed
so indecisive in Florida with the schoolchildren when the first
tower was
hit. Eyes kept going back and fourth ... then the secret service
guy
whispered in his ear (the second tower was hit). Still he sat there
with
his eyeballs clicking back and fourth.

He must have been working .... working on things ...

My guess is that the changes will occur as Bush is too busy with
.....
things :)))

I see they are laying off another 10,000 worldwide at Kodak with
7,000 of
those local jobs. Glad Bush is working .... um, on things.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA







Win July 21st 05 09:49 PM


Wow, Jim, a democrat in New Jersey. Imagine that. You sound like
one of those guys that lives off entitlements and bitches about the
pay. Bet you look like Michael Moore, too.

Win


[email protected] July 21st 05 11:08 PM

From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 3:44 pm

"an_old_friend" wrote in message

It having been a few years since the last round I and prehaps other
could a use a reminder. Doesn't the FCC have to take some action
beyond this to put there new rules in effect


Usually, this is the next to last stop. This was a notice of proposed
rulemaking. That means that they intend to make this a reality, unless Bush
says that they should not change the rules due to dangers of weapons of mass
destruction.


The NOTICE of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) is (nearly always) first.
Then follows the Comment period...itself followed by a long wait
while the lawyers at the FCC draft the Report and Order (R&O).
Once the R&O is published in the Federal Register it is LAW.

Code red, code red! Battle stations, everyone. Danger, Will Robinson. Man
the photon torpedos. Engage trans-warp engins.

Unless there is a threat of weapons of mass destruction, the FCC will follow
through with the new rules. Of course, it might happen. Bush is always
working on things, even when on vaction. There are cell phones and they are
working on ... um, things. There are fax machines and his is always busy
working on things. Even satellite communications and he is um ... working
.. on .... things ...


In one way you are right...WT Docket 05-235 is a WMD.

A Weapon of MORSE Destruction! :-)

Do the Mighty Macho Morsemen want "Iraq III" on that WMD?


My guess is that the changes will occur as Bush is too busy with .....
things :)))


Which "Bush?" The elimination of the morse code test has
been worked on by various groups for over two decades. It is
NOT relative to any political politics or any particular
administration.


I see they are laying off another 10,000 worldwide at Kodak with 7,000 of
those local jobs. Glad Bush is working .... um, on things.


Irrelevant topic in here. Eastman Kodak has been a big name
for years. That doesn't mean they get to claim fief and title
for anything. Face it (with or without portrait lens), the
future of silver halide photography media is NOT advancing.

Eastman Kodak started up in the photo biz with a little box
camera pre-loaded with film. One took the box camera to a
developer (usually a drug store), had the film developed and
the camera re-loaded, all for one price. A few years ago
they "pioneered" the already-loaded "one-shot" camera one
brought into the dealer for developing. Some "pioneering!"
BTW, Eastman sells (or maybe re-sells) digital cameras, too
(see Ritz Camera chain for details).

Would you say Xerox is a big company? Yes? Okay, their PARC
(Palo Alto Research Center) INVENTED both the mouse and the
GUI (Graphical User Interface). Xerox head honchos decided
neither had a "future" and allowed PARC to sell their
invention and didn't bother pursuing any more R&D on them.
Guess what all personal computers of today have in common?
[a mouse and a GUI operating system!]

Where was radio 110 years ago? The first "radios" used on-
off keying (by "morse" code) because that was they ONLY
way to use them for communications in this new "low-tech."
Radiotelegraphy reached a high art around 1940 (give or take)
and then slowly slid into less and less use by all but radio
amateurs. Now it isn't used for communications anywhere else
in radio but the "ham bands." Even then, its use is slowly
dropping.

You can't Hold Back The Dawn. The best you can do is put up
some curtains or tent to shield your old skills from damage of
direct sunlight in this new era.




Dee Flint July 21st 05 11:27 PM


"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...
It having been a few years since the last round I and prehaps other
could a use a reminder. Doesn't the FCC have to take some action
beyond this to put there new rules in effect


Yes. First they will allow a comment and comment reply period. After the
close of that period, they will "digest" the comments. Then finally they
will issue a Report and Order with an implementation date specified. It's
my guess that this will be done around the first of the year.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Jim Hampton July 22nd 05 02:21 AM


wrote in message
ups.com...
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 3:44 pm

"an_old_friend" wrote in message

It having been a few years since the last round I and prehaps other
could a use a reminder. Doesn't the FCC have to take some action
beyond this to put there new rules in effect


Usually, this is the next to last stop. This was a notice of proposed
rulemaking. That means that they intend to make this a reality, unless

Bush
says that they should not change the rules due to dangers of weapons of

mass
destruction.


The NOTICE of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) is (nearly always) first.
Then follows the Comment period...itself followed by a long wait
while the lawyers at the FCC draft the Report and Order (R&O).
Once the R&O is published in the Federal Register it is LAW.

Code red, code red! Battle stations, everyone. Danger, Will Robinson.

Man
the photon torpedos. Engage trans-warp engins.

Unless there is a threat of weapons of mass destruction, the FCC will

follow
through with the new rules. Of course, it might happen. Bush is always
working on things, even when on vaction. There are cell phones and they

are
working on ... um, things. There are fax machines and his is always busy
working on things. Even satellite communications and he is um ...

working
.. on .... things ...


In one way you are right...WT Docket 05-235 is a WMD.

A Weapon of MORSE Destruction! :-)

Do the Mighty Macho Morsemen want "Iraq III" on that WMD?


My guess is that the changes will occur as Bush is too busy with .....
things :)))


Which "Bush?" The elimination of the morse code test has
been worked on by various groups for over two decades. It is
NOT relative to any political politics or any particular
administration.


I see they are laying off another 10,000 worldwide at Kodak with 7,000 of
those local jobs. Glad Bush is working .... um, on things.


Irrelevant topic in here. Eastman Kodak has been a big name
for years. That doesn't mean they get to claim fief and title
for anything. Face it (with or without portrait lens), the
future of silver halide photography media is NOT advancing.

Eastman Kodak started up in the photo biz with a little box
camera pre-loaded with film. One took the box camera to a
developer (usually a drug store), had the film developed and
the camera re-loaded, all for one price. A few years ago
they "pioneered" the already-loaded "one-shot" camera one
brought into the dealer for developing. Some "pioneering!"
BTW, Eastman sells (or maybe re-sells) digital cameras, too
(see Ritz Camera chain for details).

Would you say Xerox is a big company? Yes? Okay, their PARC
(Palo Alto Research Center) INVENTED both the mouse and the
GUI (Graphical User Interface). Xerox head honchos decided
neither had a "future" and allowed PARC to sell their
invention and didn't bother pursuing any more R&D on them.
Guess what all personal computers of today have in common?
[a mouse and a GUI operating system!]

Where was radio 110 years ago? The first "radios" used on-
off keying (by "morse" code) because that was they ONLY
way to use them for communications in this new "low-tech."
Radiotelegraphy reached a high art around 1940 (give or take)
and then slowly slid into less and less use by all but radio
amateurs. Now it isn't used for communications anywhere else
in radio but the "ham bands." Even then, its use is slowly
dropping.

You can't Hold Back The Dawn. The best you can do is put up
some curtains or tent to shield your old skills from damage of
direct sunlight in this new era.





Hello, Len


Weapon of Morse destruction .... :)))

LOL I can't help but respond. At least someone has a sense of humor around
here. I might not always agree with you, but don't change. It would kill
me :)

Good grief, as many times as I've explained. I have sent and received Morse
faster than many folks can type. Perfect copy in the Navy at 40 words per
minute (the fastest tape they had).

No big deal, but I get concerned when someone someone says "we don't type
anymore; we use word processors". I had that at an interview once some
years back. Next time, I'll ask them to bring on the fastest, meanest "word
processing person" they've got. I might not win, but they will be up for a
considerable fight. Everyone takes everything out of context. When I say I
can type 65 words per minute plus on a bad day into a head wind, I am not
saying "cut and paste". I mean how the heck do folks get the info into the
dang thing in the first place? As to the GUI, Apple "stole" that from Xerox
(which didn't believe there was a future) and then sued Microsoft over the
GUI!

I've heard too much of this "ancient technology" stuff and I see to many
"hunt and peck" alleged typists - excuse me, word processors..... or is that
word processing folks?

Anyone can forward a joke received in an e-mail. I'm not impressed. Sorry.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA
ps - but I did enjoy the comment on Weapon of Morse Destruction.
pps - now go wind up some core memory!!!! :)))
ppps - (gawd, do I *ever* shut up?) now you might understand how some feel
about the code. We enjoy it but don't care to be kidded about it. It
works, it is simple, and it is quite effective compared to most folks typing
abilities. You lay off the code, I'll quit about the core memory ;)




[email protected] July 22nd 05 04:21 AM

From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 9:21 pm

wrote in message
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 3:44 pm
"an_old_friend" wrote in message



Hello, Len

Weapon of Morse destruction .... :)))


That's what the PCTA extras think... :-)

BTW, I've referred to myself as a "WMD" back when Shrub put
the USA into Iraq for a "dry-fire Vietnam."

LOL I can't help but respond. At least someone has a sense of humor around
here. I might not always agree with you, but don't change. It would kill
me :)


Wouldn't think of it. My wife is the musician here. I say
"no violins!"

Good grief, as many times as I've explained. I have sent and received Morse
faster than many folks can type. Perfect copy in the Navy at 40 words per
minute (the fastest tape they had).


Good on that. I have no objection to someone USING morsemanship.
I have lots and lots of objections to federal law MAKING me
demonstrate morsemanship...when that same law doesn't require
me to USE that morsemanship (in the amateur bands). I've NEVER
had to use morsemanship to effect radio communications in the
last half century in any OTHER radio service...including
government radio AFTER I was discharged from the Army.

No big deal, but I get concerned when someone someone says "we don't type
anymore; we use word processors". I had that at an interview once some
years back. Next time, I'll ask them to bring on the fastest, meanest "word
processing person" they've got. I might not win, but they will be up for a
considerable fight. Everyone takes everything out of context. When I say I
can type 65 words per minute plus on a bad day into a head wind, I am not
saying "cut and paste". I mean how the heck do folks get the info into the
dang thing in the first place?


I learned in middle school typing class around 1946/1947 (we
called it "junior high school" then before the feel-good PC
crowd wanted to remove the nasty "junior" label). NO KEY TOP
MARKINGS on those mechanical typewriters! :-)

I used to run the old Model 15/19s to their limit of 60 WPM
in the Army. No problem. I can still cruise at 60 WPM,
burst at 100 WPM. On a Model 60 Selectric or this PC with
WP 8 installed.

As to the GUI, Apple "stole" that from Xerox
(which didn't believe there was a future) and then sued Microsoft over the
GUI!


I disagree on both points. PARC got paid. The later civil
suit Microsoft v. Apple Computer wasn't about GUI per se...
it was on the "look and feel"...BTASE, not relevant to this
newsgroup. The PCTA extras in here don't like "digital"
because it "isn't RADIO"! :-)

I've heard too much of this "ancient technology" stuff and I see to many
"hunt and peck" alleged typists - excuse me, word processors..... or is that
word processing folks?


I think that's a reference to using MECHANICAL typewriters versus
computer-plus-inkjet/laserjet-printer mechanics with software
that can handle proportional-type-pitch fonts. I may be the only
person in here who has operated a proportional-type-pitch
mechanical typewriter used in ready-for-offset manuscript
preparation. Again, irrelevant to this newsgroup. This newsgroup
now seems to be about mortgages and real estate! :-)

Our two houses don't have any mortgages, nor any "covenants"
so I guess I can't get a ham license! :-)

Anyone can forward a joke received in an e-mail. I'm not impressed. Sorry.


I never sent you any jokes, forwarded or not, in e-mail...nor
used one in here. ? Nan desuka?

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

ps - but I did enjoy the comment on Weapon of Morse Destruction.

pps - now go wind up some core memory!!!! :)))


Not on yer life! I've repaired a core plane once, long long
ago. That was a "huge" core thing (30 mm cores). Can't
for the life of me see doing that core stringing 8 hours a
day! Worse than my wife's cross-stitching nit-pickyness!

ppps - (gawd, do I *ever* shut up?) now you might understand how some feel
about the code. We enjoy it but don't care to be kidded about it.


Okay, YOU i won't kid. Others, well, that's a different story.
Others in here can get downright arrogant and totally
obnoxious about it. They deserve commentary on their arrogance
and obnoxious behavior. Capice?

Don't forget that I was doing HF communications at least 8 hours
a day for three years in the Army...on a 24/7 basis for the
station. All TTY or voice with a twist of facsimile now and
then. I KNOW the comparative speeds and the massive amounts of
traffic go through an Area Headquarters comm facility. TTY at
the old standard of 60 WPM always outclassed the manual morse
handlers for a whole day's worth of messaging.

It
works, it is simple, and it is quite effective compared to most folks typing
abilities.


"CW gets through when everything else will..." - Brian Burke

You lay off the code, I'll quit about the core memory ;)


Not a chance. Although I am curious about the "core memory"
mention. I'm familiar with magnetic core memory and its
read-modify-write sequencing. I'm also familiar with solid-
state CMOS RAM of low standby power, terrific fast access,
and terrific fast write. I'm using a 512K by 8 RAM package
right now (in the workshop) in a three-package computer-on-
board thingy. Up until about a decade ago, mag core memory
was de rigeur for spaceflight due to Alpha radiation messing
about with ordinary solid-state RAM. No longer. Solid-state
memory techniques keep improving and outer space radiation
ain't a problem it once was to RAM.

Was there anything else, then? :-)




Jim Hampton July 22nd 05 05:00 AM


wrote in message
oups.com...
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 9:21 pm

wrote in message
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 3:44 pm
"an_old_friend" wrote in message



Hello, Len

Weapon of Morse destruction .... :)))


That's what the PCTA extras think... :-)

BTW, I've referred to myself as a "WMD" back when Shrub put
the USA into Iraq for a "dry-fire Vietnam."

LOL I can't help but respond. At least someone has a sense of humor

around
here. I might not always agree with you, but don't change. It would

kill
me :)


Wouldn't think of it. My wife is the musician here. I say
"no violins!"

Good grief, as many times as I've explained. I have sent and received

Morse
faster than many folks can type. Perfect copy in the Navy at 40 words

per
minute (the fastest tape they had).


Good on that. I have no objection to someone USING morsemanship.
I have lots and lots of objections to federal law MAKING me
demonstrate morsemanship...when that same law doesn't require
me to USE that morsemanship (in the amateur bands). I've NEVER
had to use morsemanship to effect radio communications in the
last half century in any OTHER radio service...including
government radio AFTER I was discharged from the Army.

No big deal, but I get concerned when someone someone says "we don't type
anymore; we use word processors". I had that at an interview once some
years back. Next time, I'll ask them to bring on the fastest, meanest

"word
processing person" they've got. I might not win, but they will be up for

a
considerable fight. Everyone takes everything out of context. When I

say I
can type 65 words per minute plus on a bad day into a head wind, I am not
saying "cut and paste". I mean how the heck do folks get the info into

the
dang thing in the first place?


I learned in middle school typing class around 1946/1947 (we
called it "junior high school" then before the feel-good PC
crowd wanted to remove the nasty "junior" label). NO KEY TOP
MARKINGS on those mechanical typewriters! :-)

I used to run the old Model 15/19s to their limit of 60 WPM
in the Army. No problem. I can still cruise at 60 WPM,
burst at 100 WPM. On a Model 60 Selectric or this PC with
WP 8 installed.

As to the GUI, Apple "stole" that from Xerox
(which didn't believe there was a future) and then sued Microsoft over

the
GUI!


I disagree on both points. PARC got paid. The later civil
suit Microsoft v. Apple Computer wasn't about GUI per se...
it was on the "look and feel"...BTASE, not relevant to this
newsgroup. The PCTA extras in here don't like "digital"
because it "isn't RADIO"! :-)

I've heard too much of this "ancient technology" stuff and I see to many
"hunt and peck" alleged typists - excuse me, word processors..... or is

that
word processing folks?


I think that's a reference to using MECHANICAL typewriters versus
computer-plus-inkjet/laserjet-printer mechanics with software
that can handle proportional-type-pitch fonts. I may be the only
person in here who has operated a proportional-type-pitch
mechanical typewriter used in ready-for-offset manuscript
preparation. Again, irrelevant to this newsgroup. This newsgroup
now seems to be about mortgages and real estate! :-)

Our two houses don't have any mortgages, nor any "covenants"
so I guess I can't get a ham license! :-)

Anyone can forward a joke received in an e-mail. I'm not impressed.

Sorry.

I never sent you any jokes, forwarded or not, in e-mail...nor
used one in here. ? Nan desuka?

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

ps - but I did enjoy the comment on Weapon of Morse Destruction.

pps - now go wind up some core memory!!!! :)))


Not on yer life! I've repaired a core plane once, long long
ago. That was a "huge" core thing (30 mm cores). Can't
for the life of me see doing that core stringing 8 hours a
day! Worse than my wife's cross-stitching nit-pickyness!

ppps - (gawd, do I *ever* shut up?) now you might understand how some

feel
about the code. We enjoy it but don't care to be kidded about it.


Okay, YOU i won't kid. Others, well, that's a different story.
Others in here can get downright arrogant and totally
obnoxious about it. They deserve commentary on their arrogance
and obnoxious behavior. Capice?

Don't forget that I was doing HF communications at least 8 hours
a day for three years in the Army...on a 24/7 basis for the
station. All TTY or voice with a twist of facsimile now and
then. I KNOW the comparative speeds and the massive amounts of
traffic go through an Area Headquarters comm facility. TTY at
the old standard of 60 WPM always outclassed the manual morse
handlers for a whole day's worth of messaging.

It
works, it is simple, and it is quite effective compared to most folks

typing
abilities.


"CW gets through when everything else will..." - Brian Burke

You lay off the code, I'll quit about the core memory ;)


Not a chance. Although I am curious about the "core memory"
mention. I'm familiar with magnetic core memory and its
read-modify-write sequencing. I'm also familiar with solid-
state CMOS RAM of low standby power, terrific fast access,
and terrific fast write. I'm using a 512K by 8 RAM package
right now (in the workshop) in a three-package computer-on-
board thingy. Up until about a decade ago, mag core memory
was de rigeur for spaceflight due to Alpha radiation messing
about with ordinary solid-state RAM. No longer. Solid-state
memory techniques keep improving and outer space radiation
ain't a problem it once was to RAM.

Was there anything else, then? :-)





Hello, Len

They don't call it "random" for nothing :)))

Put a micro$oft operating system with it and you have a perfect random
machine.

What ever happened to bubble memory? With my beer intake, I have a
reasonable fascimile of bubble memory.



Best regards,
Jim AA2QA





robert casey July 22nd 05 05:58 AM


Did you see Farenheit 911? Always working on .... things. Golly, he seemed
so indecisive in Florida with the schoolchildren when the first tower was
hit. Eyes kept going back and fourth ... then the secret service guy
whispered in his ear (the second tower was hit). Still he sat there with
his eyeballs clicking back and fourth.


If I was president, I would have just terminated the
classroom photo op. "Sorry kids, something's come up,
I gotta go." Even if I didn't have a clue as to what
to do about it, I'd still split. Maybe go to the
principal's office and borrow the phone and call various
people at the Pentagon and such.

Back on topic, the FCC released it as a proposed rule
making. But unless someone can come up with a really
good reason to keep code, it will be history. But
I doubt that there is anything about code that the
FCC hasn't already seen.

John Smith July 22nd 05 06:16 AM

Robert:

I would think a real president would have surrounded himself with
highly capable people.

In the event of ANY threat, accident or other occurrence, a
contingency plan would already be in place which would cover the
emergency in question--indeed, if it were I which were president,
there would even be a plan in place which would ensure America is
quite safe and well protected and life could go on as usual with
EVERYTHING being taken in step, even upon my death, or even the death
of myself and a great number of my people. If you are president there
is no reason to expect the American people to settle for anything
less!

Indeed, even if I were blocked from communication and interaction, for
some period of time, my people would have been instructed what to do
until such time as I could take my place beside them.

Now, it is fine for someone to think themself "GOD" and that the whole
universe spins about them, but as you seen with bush, this hardly is
the case when an adept person is in charge.

Indeed, if bush was visiting our most important resource (the children
of this country, as indeed what was happening) and an emergency took
place--I would go on handling the problems knowing full well that he
would need sometime to make a safe and sane exit from whatever
situations he was in, and that he was counting on me to perform in his
immediate absence--with a professional performance which would do him
justice and this nation full justice.

And, in looking back upon the whole affair, now that it has passed,
that is exactly what happened... no great surprise is it?

Indeed, now that he has had "real life" practice in just such a
situation, I would even expect it to smoother next time, and there
would even be less of a need for his quick departure...

John

"robert casey" wrote in message
nk.net...

Did you see Farenheit 911? Always working on .... things. Golly,
he seemed
so indecisive in Florida with the schoolchildren when the first
tower was
hit. Eyes kept going back and fourth ... then the secret service
guy
whispered in his ear (the second tower was hit). Still he sat
there with
his eyeballs clicking back and fourth.


If I was president, I would have just terminated the
classroom photo op. "Sorry kids, something's come up,
I gotta go." Even if I didn't have a clue as to what
to do about it, I'd still split. Maybe go to the
principal's office and borrow the phone and call various
people at the Pentagon and such.

Back on topic, the FCC released it as a proposed rule
making. But unless someone can come up with a really
good reason to keep code, it will be history. But
I doubt that there is anything about code that the
FCC hasn't already seen.




[email protected] July 22nd 05 07:06 AM

Did you see Farenheit 911?

Are you laboring under the naive misimpression that Moore's flicks
are anything but *fictional* works _loosely_ based on history?

Kodak was canceling traditional photographic products and laying
off staff during the Clinton administration. The fact that film has
been
rightly replaced by digital capture has essentially nothing to do with
politics or the President.

Cheers,
Dana K6JQ


[email protected] July 22nd 05 07:07 PM

From: "Jim Hampton" on Fri 22 Jul 2005 04:00

wrote in message
roups.com...
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 9:21 pm
wrote in message
From: Jim Hampton on Jul 21, 3:44 pm
"an_old_friend" wrote in message



Hello, Len


[ on memory in digital stuff ]

They don't call it "random" for nothing :)))


RANDOM access memory is a term that came from the prehistory
days of computing such as the magnetic drum memory, a sort of
electromechanical version of a shift register. The F-106
interceptor fire control system [by Hughes] had a vacuum tube
digital computer with a magnetic drum memory, circa 1957. I
was in on environmental testing of that fire control system
at Hughes, primarily the radar and missle launch control parts.

The first mass memory things were magnetic tape transports,
then "hard" magneitc disks in addition to somewhat large
solid-state shift registers. All of those had to go through
an ordered sequence of data storage to reach the desired data.
RANDOM access memory took a while to develop manufacturing
processes for large memory storage on a chip. RAM is like the
old "crossbar" telephone switching that enables control of the
exact "position" of data storage at will. No sequencing
through other data to get to what you want.

Put a micro$oft operating system with it and you have a perfect random
machine.


The only thing "wrong" with Microsoft is that Bill Gates and
Paul Allen got into the monopoly business FIRST. :-)

Everyone else bitches and moans about MS because they didn't
get all the megabucks. shrug

I'm just getting started on actual Windows programming and have
come to appreciate the enormous flexibility/programmability of
the Windows32 system. There's a lot more to it than just some
flashy GUI and it has enormous potential beyond the booring
PR squibs in the newsstand magazines on "computing."

What ever happened to bubble memory? With my beer intake, I have a
reasonable fascimile of bubble memory.


Magnetic bubble memory, splashy though it was in countless little
PR squibs, just never got into reliable nanosecond read/write
times nor did the manufacturing process result in high yields
of really MASS memory.

Bubble memory went flat when the FLASH and extraordinary-
low keep-alive power CMOS memory technologies were developed.
Had it been brewed in Milwaukee it might have had a chance.

FLASH memory technology packages have been built by the MILLIONS
and now used all over the world in everything from TV sets to
lawn sprinkler controllers to modern ham HF-VHF-UHF transceivers.
CMOS technology went a couple of plateau magnitudes farther and
resulted in nanosecond-speed digital gates with zilch standby
power requirements as well as huge, huge capacity RAM. The
little watch-fob size "USB disk" portable memory things use up
to half a Gigabyte of CMOS RAM and plug into a USB port for
mass transfer of data. The same things are used in digital
cameras...motion picture cameras that eliminate the need for a
magnetic tape cartridge storage (you can get those for under
$300 at Good Guys or Best Buy)!

Brian Woods' DZ Sienna (and its no-longer-on-sale PSKUBE) use
a single-board PC made by another company. Easily enough RAM
and ROM on that small plug-in PC-on-a-single-board to hold a
half-Gigabyte RAM plus peripheral interface circuitry to do
the Sienna controlling, internal DSP, whatevers, plus whatever
a clever user can adapt (programs written and developed on any
standard PC). Those single-board-PC plug-ins are used in the
electronics industry in all kinds of things, built by at least
a couple dozen USA companies...plus more available from off-
shore designer-makers. There's even more microcontroller and
microprocessor hardware-software on the market from USA
companies, UK companies, Asian companies for everything from
robotics hobby thingies to appliance and precision instrument
control...including at least three monthly periodicals covering
just the subject of hobby robotics. Hobby robotics is an
activity area which has had extraordinary growth and mainly
involves "simple" electronics of the digital kind...but is
adapted with all sorts of home-grown programming of the
PIC and Atmel microcontrollers.

Microchip Corporation here in the southwest has shown a
phenomenal growth pattern over the last decade plus. They
make the PIC series of microcontrollers...plus both CMOS
and FLASH memory plus (now) many kinds of interface devices
for use with their PICs. Economical prices without
scrimping on function or processing speed. [see Allied,
DigiKey, Newark, Mouser catalogs for listings]

Withoutadoubt the BIGGEST use of on-off keyed CW "rigs" is
the keyless auto lock (key fob transmitter) for autos.
Made by the millions, in use today in the millions, damn
good security, "sends" and "receives" at rates far above
the ability of the best-trained, most-experienced USN
radio operator! :-) Far more keyless auto locks now than
the sum total of all "CW" radios put together in the
history of radio. [no, one can't "work DX" on those "CW"
"rigs" but it enables one to get in a vehicle to GO where
lots of that DX is located...] [similarly, you can't get
the security with a "CW" ham rig to open a car or start
the ignition or even open a garage door...it ain't fast
enough and the "CW op" can't do the math to set or decode
that kind of code] Little battery inside is said to be
good for five years of "normal use" in the Chebby Malibu
MAXX my wife and I got three weeks ago. Love it! Love
that "control panel" on it and all its features, all
possible with microcontrollers and digital devices and
sensors all over the car. Drives well, too. :-)




robert casey July 22nd 05 09:34 PM

John Smith wrote:

Robert:

I would think a real president would have surrounded himself with
highly capable people.

In the event of ANY threat, accident or other occurrence, a
contingency plan would already be in place which would cover the
emergency in question


To have such plans, you have to think of all possible
threats ahead of time. But in this case, enough people
figured out what to do to handle it. Someone at the FAA
decided on his own to clear the air of all aircraft.
A sensible move, you don't know if there are more
aircraft that will get hijacked. But we had the people
in the government who were smart enough to make these
decisions as needed. So the president did have a good
staff.

My comment about Bush's not bailing out of a 2nd grade
classroom was that it tended to make him look as
if he was thinking "Oh Sh-t, now what am I gonna do".
Maybe the kids would be disappointed if I bailed
right then, but they'd soon understand that night that I had
a whole country to take care of.

John Smith July 22nd 05 09:39 PM

robert:

Oh no, not at all...

My second in command of the military would know my wishes and take
immediate action--with my blessings...

.... it would be the same for all my "second in commands"...

Only an idiot would think one man really runs this country. Not even
bill gates can run ms all by himself... this country is a MUCH LARGER
problem to put under one man...

Indeed, old little georgie boy does something that congress doesn't
like and his little butt could be toast...

John

"robert casey" wrote in message
k.net...
John Smith wrote:

Robert:

I would think a real president would have surrounded himself with
highly capable people.

In the event of ANY threat, accident or other occurrence, a
contingency plan would already be in place which would cover the
emergency in question


To have such plans, you have to think of all possible
threats ahead of time. But in this case, enough people
figured out what to do to handle it. Someone at the FAA
decided on his own to clear the air of all aircraft.
A sensible move, you don't know if there are more
aircraft that will get hijacked. But we had the people
in the government who were smart enough to make these
decisions as needed. So the president did have a good
staff.

My comment about Bush's not bailing out of a 2nd grade
classroom was that it tended to make him look as
if he was thinking "Oh Sh-t, now what am I gonna do".
Maybe the kids would be disappointed if I bailed
right then, but they'd soon understand that night that I had
a whole country to take care of.




an old friend July 22nd 05 09:40 PM



robert casey wrote:
John Smith wrote:

Robert:

I would think a real president would have surrounded himself with
highly capable people.

In the event of ANY threat, accident or other occurrence, a
contingency plan would already be in place which would cover the
emergency in question


To have such plans, you have to think of all possible
threats ahead of time. But in this case, enough people
figured out what to do to handle it. Someone at the FAA
decided on his own to clear the air of all aircraft.
A sensible move, you don't know if there are more
aircraft that will get hijacked. But we had the people
in the government who were smart enough to make these
decisions as needed. So the president did have a good
staff.


break

My comment about Bush's not bailing out of a 2nd grade
classroom was that it tended to make him look as
if he was thinking "Oh Sh-t, now what am I gonna do".
Maybe the kids would be disappointed if I bailed
right then, but they'd soon understand that night that I had
a whole country to take care of.


and just what would bush's leaving have done to improve the situation


Dee Flint July 22nd 05 11:18 PM


"robert casey" wrote in message
nk.net...

Did you see Farenheit 911? Always working on .... things. Golly, he
seemed
so indecisive in Florida with the schoolchildren when the first tower was
hit. Eyes kept going back and fourth ... then the secret service guy
whispered in his ear (the second tower was hit). Still he sat there with
his eyeballs clicking back and fourth.


If I was president, I would have just terminated the
classroom photo op. "Sorry kids, something's come up,
I gotta go." Even if I didn't have a clue as to what
to do about it, I'd still split. Maybe go to the
principal's office and borrow the phone and call various
people at the Pentagon and such.

Back on topic, the FCC released it as a proposed rule
making. But unless someone can come up with a really
good reason to keep code, it will be history. But
I doubt that there is anything about code that the
FCC hasn't already seen.


All the arguments on both sides have been presented a multitude of times.
Since there's really nothing new to be said, I'm pretty sure this will go
through in this form.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Cmdr Buzz Corey July 23rd 05 02:16 AM

John Smith wrote:
Robert:

I would think a real president would have surrounded himself with
highly capable people.

In the event of ANY threat, accident or other occurrence, a
contingency plan would already be in place which would cover the
emergency in question--indeed, if it were I which were president,
there would even be a plan in place which would ensure America is
quite safe and well protected and life could go on as usual with
EVERYTHING being taken in step, even upon my death, or even the death
of myself and a great number of my people. If you are president there
is no reason to expect the American people to settle for anything
less!

Indeed, even if I were blocked from communication and interaction, for
some period of time, my people would have been instructed what to do
until such time as I could take my place beside them.



So you can think of every possible threating event that could ever
possibly occur and be prepaired for it. Sure you can.

John Smith July 23rd 05 03:37 AM

commander buzzoff:

You mean you bought georgies line?
The one where he is the only capable man of running this country?

Get real, cheney can do just as good a job...

The house speaker can too...

However, yes, I would have wrote down plans on what to do if attacked
by a foreign power....

.... would have written down plans if a giant meteor struck the earth
in my absence too... and the first step in BOTH instances would be to
raise the guard and do damage/tactical assessment--if a clear enemy is
evident--strike back--if the attack was conventional weapons--then use
conventional weapons, if nuclear--respond with a minimum megaton-age
of 10X that used against us (well, maybe not 10X, but at least 2X
grin.) Frankly, I can't go into any more detail here, if I win the
presidency--it will weaken my position having everyone knowing my
plans... ROFLOL!!!!

I believe was being done as the pres finished his little chat with the
kids... assessment and raising the alert level... no clear enemy was
identified at that time (even now that is difficult)

.... frankly, those kids are more important that a couple of
buildings--and, like you see here, takes awhile to get ahold of the
bad guys and string 'em up!

John

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Robert:

I would think a real president would have surrounded himself with
highly capable people.

In the event of ANY threat, accident or other occurrence, a
contingency plan would already be in place which would cover the
emergency in question--indeed, if it were I which were president,
there would even be a plan in place which would ensure America is
quite safe and well protected and life could go on as usual with
EVERYTHING being taken in step, even upon my death, or even the
death of myself and a great number of my people. If you are
president there is no reason to expect the American people to
settle for anything less!

Indeed, even if I were blocked from communication and interaction,
for some period of time, my people would have been instructed what
to do until such time as I could take my place beside them.



So you can think of every possible threating event that could ever
possibly occur and be prepaired for it. Sure you can.





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