Per Canada Gazette notice DGRB-003-05 22 July 2005, Industry Canada has adopted
elements of the RAC "Proposal on Morse Code and Related Matters" and has removed
the mandatory requirement for the Morse Qualification for access to the HF bands
below 30 MHz.


Effective immediately, amateurs certified with BASIC Qualification prior to 2
April 2002, and amateurs certified with both BASIC and ADVANCED Qualifications,
may operate on HF. Amateurs with BASIC only Qualification certified after 1
April 2002, and who achieved a pass mark of 80% or greater, will also be allowed
to operate on HF. Amateurs certified BASIC only Qualification after 1 April 2002
having achieved less than 80% pass mark, will either have to qualify in Morse,
write the Advanced or re-write the Basic examination to obtain HF privileges.
This latter requirement is related to a decision to increase the BASIC
examination pass mark to ensure that candidates have been tested in all areas of
the syllabus.


For details, see the Canada Gazette notice at
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html and the
"Latest News" page on the RAC web site at http://www.rac.ca .

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While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they increased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could learn
something from these guys.

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K=D8HB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they incre=
ased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could l=
earn
something from these guys.

but not if you have held your license for some time

quote

(2) Amateurs certified prior to April 2, 2002 will be allowed to
operate in the HF bands below 30 MHz based on the experience and
knowledge they have acquired over this period of time.

unquote

maing that if Ilived a bit futher north than I do and held a canadian
call I would have hf access now (or tomarrow rather) without having had
to make any higher score

Logicaly therefore I would expect in time This to evolve into 80 for
access now or pass the test and wait 2 years for access by experence,
or possibly for the Ca to decicide keeping track of the 2 score levels
is too much work

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"an old friend" wrote

maing that if Ilived a bit futher north than I do and held a canadian
call I would have hf access now (or tomarrow rather) without having had
to make any higher score

They'd probably make an exception in your case.

73, de Hans, K0HB
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"an old friend" wrote

Logicaly therefore I would expect in time This to evolve into 80 for
access now or pass the test and wait 2 years for access by experence,

Nope, if you pass the Basic written (but don't make an 80% score) you must then
take the Morse exam to get on HF.

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"an old friend" wrote

Logicaly therefore I would expect in time This to evolve into 80 for
access now or pass the test and wait 2 years for access by experence,

Nope, if you pass the Basic written (but don't make an 80% score) you mus=
t then
take the Morse exam to get on HF.

wrong you did not read the whole thing
quoting you other message

maing that if Ilived a bit futher north than I do and held a canadian
call I would have hf access now (or tomarrow rather) without having had
to make any higher score


They'd probably make an exception in your case.

unquote

lets see one minute you agree with my read then the next you don't but
you still don't bother to adress the the content of the RAC rule

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73

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"an old friend" wrote

Logicaly therefore I would expect in time This to evolve into 80 for
access now or pass the test and wait 2 years for access by experence,

Nope, if you pass the Basic written (but don't make an 80% score) you mus=
t then
take the Morse exam to get on HF.

sorry you confused me with you 2 posts

I am not saying what the now current (or tomarrow current) rule

I was speculating on the future as you would seen if you had bothered
not to emove the staement from its context

quote


(2) Amateurs certified prior to April 2, 2002 will be allowed to
operate in the HF bands below 30 MHz based on the experience and
knowledge they have acquired over this period of time.


maing that if Ilived a bit futher north than I do and held a canadian
call I would have hf access now (or tomarrow rather) without having had

to make any higher score



Logicaly therefore I would expect in time This to evolve into 80 for
access now or pass the test and wait 2 years for access by experence,
or possibly for the Ca to decicide keeping track of the 2 score levels
is too much work

unquote

your tendency to do is rising to point of apealing like deliberate
lying Hans




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73, de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" ) writes:
"an old friend" wrote

Logicaly therefore I would expect in time This to evolve into 80 for
access now or pass the test and wait 2 years for access by experence,

Nope, if you pass the Basic written (but don't make an 80% score) you must then
take the Morse exam to get on HF.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Part of me is thinking that there was a reduction in the passing mark
at some point, and this just addresses it. I've not paid attention, and
the documents issued in 1990 after the restructuring says nothing about
the passing mark. But though I've not paid full attention, it is
something I have a vague feeling might have happened. If there
was such a reduction, then obviously that date is when it happened,
and this new bit just acknowledges that a higher pass mark is
deemed necessary for HF.

Or perhaps it's just simply in grandfathering people, they decided
that it wouldn't be as automatic as some might have wanted.

Micahel VE2BVW

K=D8HB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they incre=
ased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could l=
earn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY

) writes:
K=D8HB wrote:
While they removed the requirement for a Morse exam, note that they incre=
ased
the written examination passing score for the Basic License. FCC could l=
earn
something from these guys.

Yep

What's interesting too is that new Basics can access HF two ways:

1) Pass the written with 80% or more right

2) Pass the written with less than 80% right *and* pass the Morse Code
test.

IIRC, the basic pass level is 60% (!)

Sounds a little like my old "Chinese Menu" idea.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Well, according to the bulletin, the passing mark is no 70%.

But your're right about the menu. When they restructured back in
1990, some people interpreted it as a coherent number of steps,
with the Basic license at one and and the advanced with code
at the other. But it was (and still is) more of a mix and match
setup. People could pass the Basic and Advanced tests without
needing to pass a code test. Of course, that meant no HF privileges.
Pass a code test, and you got some HF; pass the faster code test
and you got full HF privileges. Code determined whether or not
you could operate at HF.

A few years back, I think it was 2000, they dropped the faster
code test.

Michael VE2BVW