What is Ham Radio coming to?
 

Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us.
Do
we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going
through a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced
with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to
deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of
Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

What's all this childish, long running fuss about?

There's nothing whatever to prevent radio hams from carrying on in
their traditional, relatively well-ordered, self-disciplined ways.

There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more QRM.

And CB-ers cannot possibly interfere with use of soldering irons on
the kitchen table. There always has been obstruction by the XYL.

Just give it time and the more unruly band users will either fall into
line or change hobby to tropical fish.
----
Reg, G4FGQ

You mean the intellectual MINNOWS who dare to
appROACH our high PERCHES and have the auDACE-ity
to CARP that they are our equals despite that they are PIKEys?

Perhaps you meant freshwater fish?

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
Just give it time and the more unruly band users will either fall into
line or change hobby to tropical fish.

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
What's all this childish, long running fuss about?

There's nothing whatever to prevent radio hams from carrying on in
their traditional, relatively well-ordered, self-disciplined ways.

There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more QRM.

And CB-ers cannot possibly interfere with use of soldering irons on
the kitchen table. There always has been obstruction by the XYL.

Just give it time and the more unruly band users will either fall into
line or change hobby to tropical fish.
----
Reg, G4FGQ


Can anyone tell me what the length my Koi Carp has to be to be resonant
across 40 metres?

Andy MW0GUV

Polymath wrote:
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

No one is required to build to their sets (at least no license that I
aware there are some odd byways in theworld) and the we do get tired of
the whining about how you used to have to blow the galls for your own
tubes over a hot fire


2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us.
Do

the foul mouths and most infantile tempers are amoug those Old time
hams whoose passing your seem too lament

we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going
through a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced

and you know these hams are leaving for these reason how?

Maybe like myself leaving the ARRL they are simply fed up with the
entrenched interests there trying to kill the ARS

with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to

as a Ham radio operator of course

deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of
Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Please don't include poly wallys crap in your posts, I have him tucked
nicely away in my killfile and have no wish to read his twaddle.

Thanks

Andy MW0GUV

"Nedlar " Nedlar wrote in message
...
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:45:28 +0100, "MW0GUV" wrote:



Can anyone tell me what the length my Koi Carp has to be to be resonant
across 40 metres?

Andy MW0GUV


Twice the width of your mouth.

You are an idiot and a coward

Andy MW0GUV

"MW0GUV" wrote in message
...
Can anyone tell me what the length my Koi Carp has to be to be resonant
across 40 metres?


I think you will find that resonance ACROSS the 40 mt. band is relative to
the "girth" of the fish rather than length.

Yours piscatorially KW.

Polymath:

You don't need CW to build a transmitter, calm down, take the meds, it will be
ok...

John

"Polymath" wrote in message
...
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us. Do
we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going through
a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced
with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to
deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
What's all this childish, long running fuss about?

There's nothing whatever to prevent radio hams from carrying on in
their traditional, relatively well-ordered, self-disciplined ways.

There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more QRM.

And CB-ers cannot possibly interfere with use of soldering irons on
the kitchen table. There always has been obstruction by the XYL.

Just give it time and the more unruly band users will either fall into
line or change hobby to tropical fish.
----
Reg, G4FGQ

From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

Len:

Trust me, I am a fan of Reg, have nothing but for respect for his style of
communication in text... not only caliber, but substance!

John

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

The preservation of Ham Radio against the influx of
the Mongolian Hordes of non-technical CBers
is not some brouhaha, but a matter of deep concern
for any self-respecting _REAL_ Radio Ham.

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds
and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

polymath:

I was thinking it more like the masses over-throwing the evil "in-bred" hams
whose protectionist practices have killed the hobby and extract suffering on
radio for generations... listening to a bunch of geriatric oldsters farting
into their and having their arthritis limiting their code speed is just
becoming too much of a log jam to communications and growth in the hobby...

.... this change is a "good thing."

John



"Polymath" wrote in message
...
The preservation of Ham Radio against the influx of
the Mongolian Hordes of non-technical CBers
is not some brouhaha, but a matter of deep concern
for any self-respecting _REAL_ Radio Ham.

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds
and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

polymath:

HEY. I spelled that one word wrong, should have read, "... pharting into their
mics..."

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
polymath:

I was thinking it more like the masses over-throwing the evil "in-bred" hams
whose protectionist practices have killed the hobby and extract suffering on
radio for generations... listening to a bunch of geriatric oldsters farting
into their and having their arthritis limiting their code speed is just
becoming too much of a log jam to communications and growth in the hobby...

... this change is a "good thing."

John



"Polymath" wrote in message
...
The preservation of Ham Radio against the influx of
the Mongolian Hordes of non-technical CBers
is not some brouhaha, but a matter of deep concern
for any self-respecting _REAL_ Radio Ham.

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds
and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

"Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society ..." you've got to
be joking - my wife couldn't believe it when I decided to join the
ranks of such a "sad bunch of anoraks" when I took the RAE a few years
ago!

John

Johntyers:

Hey...
Look at the audience, old, deaf, blind, living in an echo chamber, eating lotus
flowers, reading tea leaves which bear a strange resemblance to marijuana
leaves and having visions with rf damaged minds... and still trying to keep the
kids from getting their hands in the cookie jar (cb'ers attempting to gain
licenses.)

I tell ya, ain't bad for a bunch so challenged...

(I only got a couple of mild rf burns on my brain, don't think it damaged any
critical areas, but, ya never know. :)

John

wrote in message
ups.com...
"Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society ..." you've got to
be joking - my wife couldn't believe it when I decided to join the
ranks of such a "sad bunch of anoraks" when I took the RAE a few years
ago!

John

Can anyone tell me what the length my Koi Carp has to be to be resonant
across 40 metres?

Andy MW0GUV


Andy you can tune a network but you can't tune a fish .........

ba dum ....ching ....

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.

"MW0GUV" wrote:

: Can anyone tell me what the length my Koi Carp has to be to be resonant
: across 40 metres?

tu tut tut

anyone with even basic understanding of the term resonant will
tell you that one length can not resonate "across 40 metres"

"ZZZZPK "

s.it.net wrote in message ...
"MW0GUV" wrote:

: Can anyone tell me what the length my Koi Carp has to be to be resonant
: across 40 metres?

tu tut tut

anyone with even basic understanding of the term resonant will
tell you that one length can not resonate "across 40 metres"


Are you sure Paddy? I'm sure I read about the 'Barnacle effect' somewhere

Andy MW0GUV

Reg Edwards wrote:
What's all this childish, long running fuss about?

Much ado about nothing, Reg.

There's nothing whatever to prevent radio hams from
carrying on in
their traditional, relatively well-ordered,
self-disciplined ways.

Most of them will do just that.

There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more QRM.

The more the merrier!

And CB-ers cannot possibly interfere with use of soldering
irons on
the kitchen table. There always has been obstruction by the
XYL.

I once built a receiver on the kitchen table. Had all the bits
and tools in a large wooden box. I'd clear the table, put down
yesterday's newspapers to protect the surface, then build. At the
end of the work session the parts were all put away and the
newspapers were carefully folded up, containing all the wire
snipends, metal filings, etc.

1977 or so, when I was in a small apartment. Still have the receiver.

Just give it time and the more unruly band users will either
fall into line or change hobby to tropical fish.

Hopefully!

Thanks for all the great software, btw.

--

73 de Jim, N2EY

"MW0GUV" wrote:

:
: anyone with even basic understanding of the term resonant will
: tell you that one length can not resonate "across 40 metres"
:
:
: Are you sure Paddy? I'm sure I read about the 'Barnacle effect' somewhere

yes i'm sure...

and just who is this paddy you keep referring to ?

On 31 Jul 2005 11:30:20 -0700, wrote:

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology.

I doubt Reg would be happy to be called a "ham"?

73 de Jock.
--

It is impossible to lick your elbow.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:34:49 -0700, "John Smith" wrote:

Trust me, I am a fan of Reg, have nothing but for respect for his style of
communication in text... not only caliber, but substance!

I don't think Reg drinks Caliber, he probably quaffs
the real stuff.

73 de Jock.
--

It is impossible to lick your elbow.

thats whjy i beleive in a free system for those who dont wish ot build or
repair


legailse 2 metres/70cms maybe only single freqs not repeaters for anyone who
wants to,a licence to purchased but no need to learn morse and other
things,so ok still a liocence nbut make it easier


then the other liocences for those who require more.

and why insult cbers all the time again i have known many a good cber and
many a bad one

seems like you want to just have ham radio to a few in th clique

things will change regardlss OFCOM really does not want the hassle of loking
after any two way radio,least alon ameteur,it wants more of a free for all
on all bands.

i disagree with much of OFCOMS ideas but ham radio ifd its going to survive
needs to welcome more people regardless of abackgoind and abiklities

i fail to see why i should know how to put an aerail together or solder
something when all i want to do[not really just hypothetixcally] is speak
into it to contact someone else.


"Polymath" wrote in message
...
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you
might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us.
Do
we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going
through a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced
with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to
deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of
Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more
QRM.

The more the merrier!

You could not be more wrong.
:-(

73 de G3NYY
============================

Oh yes he could!

Radio amateurs thrive when in the midst of QRM and N. Brings out the
best in 'em. Determination and the competitive spirit.

Without it, on a silent band, they are in danger of lapsing back into
the state of couch potatoes with nothing to discuss except the weather
and their state of health.
----
Reg

Jock:

You sure you are not related to Jacque Straap, me and that guy were really
tight in high school and college.

He was a real supporter of mine...

John

"- Jock." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:34:49 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Trust me, I am a fan of Reg, have nothing but for respect for his style of
communication in text... not only caliber, but substance!

I don't think Reg drinks Caliber, he probably quaffs
the real stuff.

73 de Jock.
--

It is impossible to lick your elbow.

Reg:

AMEN!

A call to arms where sword, shield and steed are called upon to defend the
honor.... nothing heats the blood better than the toss of a gauntlet!

Onward to glory will become the cry in the land!

John

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more
QRM.

The more the merrier!

You could not be more wrong.
:-(

73 de G3NYY
============================

Oh yes he could!

Radio amateurs thrive when in the midst of QRM and N. Brings out the
best in 'em. Determination and the competitive spirit.

Without it, on a silent band, they are in danger of lapsing back into
the state of couch potatoes with nothing to discuss except the weather
and their state of health.
----
Reg

Nedlar:

Quality? Don't need quantity?

Just how does one tell the "quality girly-man whiners" here from the "not so
quality ones?"

We need a flood of new amateurs to wash this stale and poisonous "air" away
which has been generated by inaction and lack of progress.

John

"Nedlar " Nedlar wrote in message
...
On 1 Aug 2005 03:35:18 -0700, wrote:


The more the merrier!


What utter rubbish. What we need is more QUALITY not quantity. The
infestation of the amateur bands by low-life CB scum is rapidly
killing the hobby.

PB:

In reading your post, I was able to get the gist of it...

You are on the right track there... "fixes" are now being applied, have
patience, the "berlin wall of radio" begins to fall...

John

"PromaBoss" wrote in message
...
thats whjy i beleive in a free system for those who dont wish ot build or
repair


legailse 2 metres/70cms maybe only single freqs not repeaters for anyone who
wants to,a licence to purchased but no need to learn morse and other
things,so ok still a liocence nbut make it easier


then the other liocences for those who require more.

and why insult cbers all the time again i have known many a good cber and
many a bad one

seems like you want to just have ham radio to a few in th clique

things will change regardlss OFCOM really does not want the hassle of loking
after any two way radio,least alon ameteur,it wants more of a free for all on
all bands.

i disagree with much of OFCOMS ideas but ham radio ifd its going to survive
needs to welcome more people regardless of abackgoind and abiklities

i fail to see why i should know how to put an aerail together or solder
something when all i want to do[not really just hypothetixcally] is speak
into it to contact someone else.


"Polymath" wrote in message
...
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us.
Do
we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going
through a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced
with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to
deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of
Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

blimey someone understanding my posts its a miracle

as said i dont want to denigrste the hard work and achievements of fully
licensed hams,just see the need for a more fun less or unlicensed side again
like pmr446 using low power

in rest of eurrope you have such a band of 69 channels in middle of
70cms,and indeed some people use such in uk already,males sense to allow its
use in UK

trouble is of course 70 cms is MOD as well of course and they are rspidly
taking more and more spectrum for barracks/us bases and other high sec
location

regards,pAUL
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
PB:

In reading your post, I was able to get the gist of it...

You are on the right track there... "fixes" are now being applied, have
patience, the "berlin wall of radio" begins to fall...

John

"PromaBoss" wrote in message
...
thats whjy i beleive in a free system for those who dont wish ot build or
repair


legailse 2 metres/70cms maybe only single freqs not repeaters for anyone
who wants to,a licence to purchased but no need to learn morse and other
things,so ok still a liocence nbut make it easier


then the other liocences for those who require more.

and why insult cbers all the time again i have known many a good cber and
many a bad one

seems like you want to just have ham radio to a few in th clique

things will change regardlss OFCOM really does not want the hassle of
loking after any two way radio,least alon ameteur,it wants more of a free
for all on all bands.

i disagree with much of OFCOMS ideas but ham radio ifd its going to
survive needs to welcome more people regardless of abackgoind and
abiklities

i fail to see why i should know how to put an aerail together or solder
something when all i want to do[not really just hypothetixcally] is speak
into it to contact someone else.


"Polymath" wrote in message
...
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you
might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon
us. Do
we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going
through a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when
faced
with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to
deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents
the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of
Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:37:56 GMT, "PromaBoss" wrote:

blimey someone understanding my posts its a miracle

Not at all easy!

As I said I don't want to denigrate the hard work and achievements of fully
licensed hams, just see the need for a more or less unlicensed side again
like pmr446 using low power

Then use PMR446. What's the problem?

73 de Jock.
--

It is impossible to lick your elbow.

"John Smith" wrote:

: Reg:
:
: AMEN!
:
: A call to arms where sword, shield and steed are called upon to defend the
: honor.... nothing heats the blood better than the toss of a gauntlet!


theres never an anonymous chicken with a dodgy keyboard around to check
the spelling when you need one !

Jock. - wrote:

:
: Then use PMR446. What's the problem?

theres no dx on 446....

Dear John,

Really now, should you be encouraging me to make outrageous
statements?
----
Yours, Reg

Reg:

My mother used to know the right words to bring me to my senses, she must
have told ya how to do it...

Naaa, just poking a bit of fun Reg (just wish more of these guys had a
darn sense of humor!), darn amateurs here are more afraid of
CB'ers than California DiamondBack Rattlesnakes or Black Widow Spiders.
Some of those "good 'old buddies" are a hoot, quite fun to chat with
actually.

Warmest regards,
John


On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:09:46 +0000, Reg Edwards wrote:

Dear John,

Really now, should you be encouraging me to make outrageous
statements?
----
Yours, Reg

EEEEEEEEEEEEK! A SPIDER! :)


J
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Reg:

My mother used to know the right words to bring me to my senses, she must
have told ya how to do it...

Naaa, just poking a bit of fun Reg (just wish more of these guys had a
darn sense of humor!), darn amateurs here are more afraid of
CB'ers than California DiamondBack Rattlesnakes or Black Widow Spiders.
Some of those "good 'old buddies" are a hoot, quite fun to chat with
actually.

Warmest regards,
John


On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:09:46 +0000, Reg Edwards wrote:

Dear John,

Really now, should you be encouraging me to make outrageous
statements?
----
Yours, Reg