Docket 05-235 Scorecard
 

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As of the close of business in DC on 2 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments a

Total 408
In-Between/Dupes 25*
Against Elimination 122
For Elimination 261

* In-betweeners are those "following" the ARRL plan to scrap code
testing for all but Extras, therefore with feetses in both camps.
Also 2 duplicates (Dupes) appeared in August up to 2nd; two more
on 2 Aug are considered in this category because the writers
appear undecided and/or wanting something else not on the Docket.

Note: Submissions made prior to late-night whatever at the FCC
computer are appearing on that date in the next days search
(the software/procedures may have changed since last year). A
listing made at 6 PM Eastern does NOT necessarily contain ALL
Comments made later on that same day. For that reason I will
be monitoring a day behind and allow the current day's contents
to accumulate. This posting's numbers may not be complete as for
2 Aug 05 (99 total, 13 in-betweener, 30 against) but are complete
for the 9 days up to and including 1 Aug 05.

To date, the NCTA:PCTA ratio has shrunk to 261:122 or 2.14:1
ratio. The number of "in-betweener" Comments has increased
markedly over the first week's Comments; someone may be
pumping up the "ARRL plan" behind the scenes so to speak. :-)
More morsemen are joining the fray in August. Stay tuned.
This is only Day 10 of Comments; there are 65 more days
before the official end of shouting and hollering.

doo dah

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As of the of the day in DC on 3 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments a

Total 575
In-Between/Dupes 54*
Against Elimination 129
For Elimination 392

* In-betweeners are those "following" the ARRL plan to scrap code
testing for all but Extras, therefore with feetses in both camps.
In that group also are duplicate Comments and a few who wish a
higher morse rate for all below 30 MHz! Excluded are the "joke"
comments with names and given mailing addresses which are
obviously phony.

Note: The DATE RECEIVED block on the ECFS Search Listings is
running on Eastern time zone and the calendar date for all
Comments is set accordingly.

To date, the NCTA:PCTA ratio is 392:129 or 3.1:1 ratio. The
number of "in-betweener" Comments has increased markedly over
the second week of Comments. To double-check that, I went
through the entire "Against" Comments collection prior to 3
August and adjusted them and the "In-betweeners" accordingly.

Stay tuned. This was only Day 11 of Comments; there are 64
more days before the official end of shouting and hollering.

did dah

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As of the of the day in DC on 4 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments a

Total 662
In-Between/Dupes 67*
Against Elimination 152
For Elimination 443

* In-betweeners are those "following" the ARRL plan to scrap code
testing for all but Extras, therefore with feetses in both camps.
In that group also are duplicate Comments and a few who wish a
higher morse rate for all below 30 MHz! Excluded are the "joke"
comments with names and given mailing addresses which are
obviously phony.

Note: The DATE RECEIVED block on the ECFS Search Listings is
running on Eastern time zone and the calendar date for all
Comments is set accordingly.

To date, the NCTA:PCTA ratio is 443:152 or 2.9:1 ratio. The
number of "in-betweener" Comments has increased markedly over
the second week of Comments.

Stay tuned. This NPRM has NOT YET appeared in the Federal Register
so the Comments seen so far may/may not be used by the FCC in
determining the final Report & Order. Thanks to Carl Stevenson for
pointing out the Federal Register non-appearance.

did dah

Len:

Kinda of disappointing, you would think this would heat the blood much
more and the comments would have been much more, even though,
apparently, they comment too quickly... dismal figures there... I am
thinking about seeing a shrink next week and seeking medication to fight
off this depression... Krist those of "Brotherhood of the Dead Key" must
be wearing black arm bands... perhaps contemplating a change of church!
(away from the "Jehovah's Witness to the ARRL", "Holy Order of the
Brothers of the CW Cross to Bear" or "Brotherhood of the Brass Key")

I expected those for elimination to run 10:1 against those supporting! I
just can't understand it... I will use this bottle of Jim Beam to console
my spirits, a "Meeting of the Spirits" if you will...

John

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:21:36 -0700, LenAnderson wrote:

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Championships!

As of the of the day in DC on 4 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments a

Total 662
In-Between/Dupes 67*
Against Elimination 152
For Elimination 443

* In-betweeners are those "following" the ARRL plan to scrap code
testing for all but Extras, therefore with feetses in both camps.
In that group also are duplicate Comments and a few who wish a
higher morse rate for all below 30 MHz! Excluded are the "joke"
comments with names and given mailing addresses which are
obviously phony.

Note: The DATE RECEIVED block on the ECFS Search Listings is
running on Eastern time zone and the calendar date for all
Comments is set accordingly.

To date, the NCTA:PCTA ratio is 443:152 or 2.9:1 ratio. The
number of "in-betweener" Comments has increased markedly over
the second week of Comments.

Stay tuned. This NPRM has NOT YET appeared in the Federal Register
so the Comments seen so far may/may not be used by the FCC in
determining the final Report & Order. Thanks to Carl Stevenson for
pointing out the Federal Register non-appearance.

did dah

From: John Smith on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 22:39

Len:

Kinda of disappointing, you would think this would heat the blood much
more and the comments would have been much more, even though,
apparently, they comment too quickly... dismal figures there... I am
thinking about seeing a shrink next week and seeking medication to fight
off this depression... Krist those of "Brotherhood of the Dead Key" must
be wearing black arm bands... perhaps contemplating a change of church!
(away from the "Jehovah's Witness to the ARRL", "Holy Order of the
Brothers of the CW Cross to Bear" or "Brotherhood of the Brass Key")

Not to worry, John, even as we click away the Church of St. Hiram
is perparing a Novena.

Get your supply of votive candles before the stores run out...

I expected those for elimination to run 10:1 against those supporting! I
just can't understand it... I will use this bottle of Jim Beam to console
my spirits, a "Meeting of the Spirits" if you will...

Well, settling for a mid-morning cup of coffee instead, my take
would have been a 4:1 ratio in favor of tossing the code test.

That's my old opinion based on slowly getting into the Elimination
fray about a quarter century ago...and having the advantage to
work full time in the REAL HF communications field a half century
ago.

What the rabid hams can't see is that there is MUCH MORE in the
whole of electronics to interest hobbyists. Note: Ham radio IS
a hobby activity regardless of the posturing and puffery of its
"servicemen" and "radio" is a subset of the whole of electronics.
For example, the hobby (and businesses supplying) of robotics
grew at an alarming rate in the last 5 years, catching me by
surprise...and I try to keep a pulse feel on the whole of
electronics. Such differing hobbies draw personal (hobby)
interests away from the "purity" of ham radio...and can account
for a lessening interest of either of the For or Against NPRM
groups. Ham radio gets the "who cares?" treatment and hobbyists
go to other things more fun and with less of the regimental,
strictly-ordered "fun" of being a "serviceman."

who car

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Championships!

As of the end of the week in DC on 5 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 744
In-Between/Dupes 81*
Against Elimination 182
For Elimination 481

* In-betweeners are those "following" the ARRL plan to scrap code
testing for all but Extras, therefore with feetses in both camps.
In that group also are duplicate Comments or those commenting on
matters other than addressed in the NPRM. Those include one that
is obviously a "joke" entry.

Note: The DATE RECEIVED block on the ECFS Search Listings is
running on Eastern time zone and the calendar date for all
Comments is set accordingly.

To date, the average definite-opinion NCTA:PCTA ratio is 481:182
or 2.6:1 ratio. This excludes all 81 "in-betweener" Comments.

5 August 2005 is the 13th day of submitted commentaries. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 13 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being
made, like it or not.

dit out

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As of midnight EDT on 8 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1215

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 50

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 329 28.24%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 685 58.80%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 151 12.96%


Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 8 Aug 05 that Total would be 1165.

A growing number of keep-code-test-for-Extra entries prompted
a review of all entries up to 8 Aug 05 and revision of the
previous postings of Against and Indeterminate numbers.
This was exacerbated by 14 entries made into the various day
listings by the FCC after midnight of the days given. Total
entry numbers are correct to the FCC-given totals up to and
including 8 Aug 05. Having read each and every entry made
so far, new entries made in previous day's listings can be
spotted without fail and tallied groups corrected as need be.

8 August 2005 is the 14th day of submitted Comments. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 14 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being
made, like it or not.

dit dah

http://www.msu.edu/~volzmich/commenthelp.htm

leads to a site that will walk you through the process

or let you look at other comments etc

Alun, it's through the Search buttons on the Home page. But, you
can go direct via:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs

That gets you to the ECFS main page. On the left of that you will
see several links which will supply you with the data page where
you must fill in the required items...when that is done you have a
choice of uploading a prepared file (WordPerfect, MS Word, or PDF)
or to make your comment on-line (watch line length, no over-run or
it will look funny). I use WordPerfect and convert it to PDF with
Acrobat 4 (full version) and upload that.

If you want a copy of FCC 05-143, the document spelling out what
the NPRM is, it is the very first document in the docket, entered
on 15 July 2005.

You will get a data-begin page with every choice of links from the
main ECFS page. To see all of the Docket entries, just enter
05-235 in the upper left corner box and press Return/Enter. That
yields a list of EVERY entry under that docket. You can get to
an individual day date entry by filling in the numeric date fields
in the middle of the data-begin page...or an individual's entry
if you know the exact spelling of their name used on their entry.

had fun

Alun:

I don't think "they" really see that much of a real need for a code test
for extras as much as they realize the covers have been pulled and code
will fall. And, they still want to fight and hang on to any little bit of
"good old buddy club" they might be able to maintain.

It is not surprising to find people hanging on to their self-serving
interests as a dog to a bone. You certainly get a good picture of the
fabric of individuals characters as this all plays out... trouble is, in
this "dumbed down society" you wonder how many can even realize the
importance of peoples motivations.

Those who have sold their soul to the devil now go on grasping at straws,
still convinced they have people fooled into thinking they are discussing
real reason on why code is so necessary--and "they" are so intelligent no
one can see their self-serving motives, they are just little selfish
individuals wanting to have a little private hobby at the expense of the
whole of society, gee, that is unique--isn't it?

The lies are the elephant in the china closet, and many are blind to its'
existence... many are so old they realize they are on their way out, and
what is their dignity compared to being able to "keep a private beach" on
the radio bands.

John

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:37:40 +0000, Alun L. Palmer wrote:

wrote in news:1123648804.590620.207760
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Alun, it's through the Search buttons on the Home page. But, you
can go direct via:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs

That gets you to the ECFS main page. On the left of that you will
see several links which will supply you with the data page where
you must fill in the required items...when that is done you have a
choice of uploading a prepared file (WordPerfect, MS Word, or PDF)
or to make your comment on-line (watch line length, no over-run or
it will look funny). I use WordPerfect and convert it to PDF with
Acrobat 4 (full version) and upload that.

If you want a copy of FCC 05-143, the document spelling out what
the NPRM is, it is the very first document in the docket, entered
on 15 July 2005.

You will get a data-begin page with every choice of links from the
main ECFS page. To see all of the Docket entries, just enter
05-235 in the upper left corner box and press Return/Enter. That
yields a list of EVERY entry under that docket. You can get to
an individual day date entry by filling in the numeric date fields
in the middle of the data-begin page...or an individual's entry
if you know the exact spelling of their name used on their entry.

had fun




I have now entered my comment in favour of the NPRM. Of the last 50
comments, 24 are in favour, 17 against, and 9 want to keep a code test for
the Extra only. I suppose that does mean that a slim majority (of the last
50) want to keep a code test for the Extra but not the General, but 48%
want the code test eliminated. Unfortunately I don't have time to read all
1,319 comments!

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Championships!

As of midnight EDT on 9 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1316

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 53

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 362 28.66%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 730 57.80%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 171 13.54%


Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, and one foreign citizen submission.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 9 Aug 05 that Total would be 1263.

A growing number of keep-code-test-for-Extra entries prompted
a review of all entries up to 9 Aug 05 and revision of the
previous postings of Against and Indeterminate numbers.
This was exacerbated by 14 entries made into the various day
listings by the FCC after midnight of the days given. Total
entry numbers are correct to the FCC-given totals up to and
including 9 Aug 05. Having read each and every entry made
so far, new entries made in previous day's listings can be
spotted without fail and tallied groups corrected as need be.

9 August 2005 is the 15th day of submitted Comments. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 15 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being
made, like it or not.

dit dah

From: "Alun L. Palmer" on Wed 10 Aug 2005 11:37

wrote in news:1123648804.590620.207760
:


I have now entered my comment in favour of the NPRM.

Way to go, Alun! And to Hans Brakob who appeared in the first 22
Comments I checked out for 10 Aug 05!

Everyone ought to make themselves heard to their government,
an essence of our democratic process rights in the USA.

Of the last 50
comments, 24 are in favour, 17 against, and 9 want to keep a code test for
the Extra only. I suppose that does mean that a slim majority (of the last
50) want to keep a code test for the Extra but not the General, but 48%
want the code test eliminated. Unfortunately I don't have time to read all
1,319 comments!

No? :-) I have the time...and I've MADE the time. Interesting
to watch the individuals instead of their opinions being filtered
(and usually 'modified') through some other organization.

Larry Klose looked at all 2300+ Comments on the 98-143 NPRM and
know I have a good idea of how he felt slogging through some
of the truly weird (and sometimes imaginative) writings of a
few folks. [see "LeRoy Klose III" exhibits of 25, 26 Jan 99
under Docket 98-143 on the ECFS...nice statistics work on a
lot more complex NPRM than 05-143 for Docket 05-235]

I am posting the "scorecard" as of midnight 9 Aug 05 today.
The number of Comments/individuals FOR the NPRM are 57%, a
majority. Even if those unambiguous FOR Comments are
percentaged against the total number of Comments to date,
they would still be in the majority.

for yes

Len:

I think the amateurs who attempt to "control freak" the bands for their
personal use and club have always been successful, I mean, isn't it
obvious, look at the state of amateur radio.

I am thinking the FCC is giving a "thumbs down" to these "good ole boys"
activities... we will see...

However, their squealing like stuck hams (pun intended) was expected, was
it not?

John

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:09:35 -0700, LenAnderson wrote:

From: "Alun L. Palmer" on Wed 10 Aug 2005 11:37

wrote in news:1123648804.590620.207760
:


I have now entered my comment in favour of the NPRM.

Way to go, Alun! And to Hans Brakob who appeared in the first 22
Comments I checked out for 10 Aug 05!

Everyone ought to make themselves heard to their government,
an essence of our democratic process rights in the USA.

Of the last 50
comments, 24 are in favour, 17 against, and 9 want to keep a code test for
the Extra only. I suppose that does mean that a slim majority (of the last
50) want to keep a code test for the Extra but not the General, but 48%
want the code test eliminated. Unfortunately I don't have time to read all
1,319 comments!

No? :-) I have the time...and I've MADE the time. Interesting
to watch the individuals instead of their opinions being filtered
(and usually 'modified') through some other organization.

Larry Klose looked at all 2300+ Comments on the 98-143 NPRM and
know I have a good idea of how he felt slogging through some
of the truly weird (and sometimes imaginative) writings of a
few folks. [see "LeRoy Klose III" exhibits of 25, 26 Jan 99
under Docket 98-143 on the ECFS...nice statistics work on a
lot more complex NPRM than 05-143 for Docket 05-235]

I am posting the "scorecard" as of midnight 9 Aug 05 today.
The number of Comments/individuals FOR the NPRM are 57%, a
majority. Even if those unambiguous FOR Comments are
percentaged against the total number of Comments to date,
they would still be in the majority.

for yes

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Championships!

As of midnight EDT on 10 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1367

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 56

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 376 28.68%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 758 57.82%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 177 13.50%


Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, and one foreign citizen
submission.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 10 Aug 05 that sub-total would be 1311.

10 August 2005 is the 16th day of submitted Comments. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 15 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Note: The Federal Register 2005 Contents page on the GPO
website has NOT had any entry for 9 Aug 05 or later as of 3 PM EDT
on 11 Aug 05.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

dit nah

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight EDT on 11 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1414

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 62

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 386 28.55%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 783 57.91%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 183 13.54%


Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, and one foreign citizen
submission. It should be noted that at least two
individuals (one for, the other against the NPRM) have
been spotted making multiple entries over following
days; all such multiple entries are considered
duplicates and relegated to Indeterminate sub-total
regardless of their opinion position.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 11 Aug 05 that would be 1352.

11 August 2005 is the 17th day of submitted Comments. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 17 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Note: The Federal Register 2005 Contents page on the GPO
website has NOT had any entry for 9 Aug 05 or later as of Noon,
EDT, 12 Aug 05.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

dah nit

And tell me Lennie, where did my comments come in? I don't see my
particular catagory at all. Or, is this just another line of BS from you?

Dan/W4NTI

wrote in message
ups.com...
Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Championships!

As of midnight EDT on 8 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1215

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 50

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 329 28.24%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 685 58.80%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 151 12.96%


Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, one foreign citizen submission.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 8 Aug 05 that Total would be 1165.

A growing number of keep-code-test-for-Extra entries prompted
a review of all entries up to 8 Aug 05 and revision of the
previous postings of Against and Indeterminate numbers.
This was exacerbated by 14 entries made into the various day
listings by the FCC after midnight of the days given. Total
entry numbers are correct to the FCC-given totals up to and
including 8 Aug 05. Having read each and every entry made
so far, new entries made in previous day's listings can be
spotted without fail and tallied groups corrected as need be.

8 August 2005 is the 14th day of submitted Comments. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 14 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being
made, like it or not.

dit dah

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
And tell me Lennie, where did my comments come in? I don't see my
particular catagory at all. Or, is this just another line of BS from you?

Dan/W4NTI


Dan wants his own private catagory I guess he is specail, specail what
I will not venture to say but he thinks he is specail, as I expect does
his mommy and Stevie, from what I read

pruning

From: "an_old_friend" on Fri 12 Aug 2005 14:36


Dan/W4NTI wrote:
And tell me Lennie, where did my comments come in? I don't see my
particular catagory at all. Or, is this just another line of BS from you?

Dan wants his own private catagory I guess he is specail, specail what
I will not venture to say but he thinks he is specail, as I expect does
his mommy and Stevie, from what I read

Anyone can venture an opinion on who is what. :-)

I'm just looking at EACH AND EVERY COMMENT that appears on the
ECFS for WT Docket 05-235. As of about 7 PM EDT on 12 Aug 05
there were a total of 1,437 documents under that docket; more
will be arriving until midnight and perhaps a few inserted (by
the FCC) the next day.

The tallies I make are done as objectively as I can. For the
vast majority of Comments that is a fairly easy task since the
subject is one of high polarization of opinion in U.S. amateur
radio. Sometimes there are oddities such as 5 of those for 12
Aug 05: Two duplicates (one For, the other Against) plus 3
that are NOT even on this NPRM, not on amateur radio at all!
:-)

Mark, if someone wants to "challenge" my numbers, they are
welcome to dig right in and read EVERY document in WT Docket
05-235, tally them up, and then SHOW the results. They will
also have to show the duplicates, made by both the For and
Against folks. Or wait for the Ultimate Authority in U.S.
amateur radio (the FCC) to do their final Report & Order.
Makes no difference to me if someone wants to "challenge"
the numbers...some of these southern-fried double-dips will
challenge anything just to start a fight. :-)

bla bla

Alun L. Palmer wrote:

I am a foreign citizen myself. However, I am a US
permenent resident and have a US ham licence
(not only a US licence, mind
you). My comments say nothing about my citizenship.
I suggest that it isn't
relevant, and it's the country of residence that is important.

I disagree!

Citizenship and residence *are* relevant/important, Alun. Neither
is a prerequisite for commenting, of course, but they *are*
relevant facts.

Of course, I can't vote in elections, but the FCC comment
process is specifically open
to anyone who cares to comment, even non-hams like you, LOL!

It's interesting to note that nowhere in Len's comments does he mention
that he is not a licensed radio amateur, never has been, nor does he
intend to become one if the rules change. Yet he seeks to have FCC
disregard the comments of those already licensed, as if rules changes
will not affect them.

Most US elections are decided by who gets the most votes. The
comment process isn't like that at all. There's no requirement
that the majority of comments, or commenters, get what they
want. That was clearly demonstrated with 98-143 and again with
BPL.

Anyone with interest is welcome to comment. There's no requirement
of licensure, residency, citizenship, age, etc. In fact a comment
doesn't have to be from an individual - organizations like clubs,
manufacturers, etc., can comment as well.

There's also no universal FCC validation that a comment is actually
from the person who claims to have sent it in.

Voiding one comment because the person specifically
said they were a
foreign citizen doesn't make much sense, as there
are in fact others from
foreign citizens that simply don't say (at least one,
i.e. me, but
statistically there must be others).

There are quite a few FCC licenses issued to noncitizens who are also
nonresidents.

I see no reason to invalidate someone's comments because they are
not a citizen, or not a licensed amateur.

In fact I suspect that out of 1414 comments it's statistically likely that
there are some signed with bona fide US calls that are from
foreign
citizens who have never lived in the US. You know there is US
VE testing in
all the countries that have US bases, and it isn't just the
military who
take the tests, but plenty of locals too. You would have to
look up
everybody's address to find out who lives outside the US, and
information
on citizenship of hams simply doesn't exist, so there is no way to verify it.

Not only that, but some nonresident noncitizen FCC-licensed amateurs
use a US mailing address, so even if you did all the checking, a
nonresident noncitizen could be missed.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Just one thing, Lennie.

Are we now down to denigrative dimunutives of everyone?

I am a foreign citizen myself.

Not a dispute with me. However, an Australian citing Australian
radio regulations, with a clearly-identifiable Australian postal
address, NOT having a U.S. radio license and NOT being affected
by U.S. radio regulations is considered "foreign" in my unofficial
tally of respondents to WT Docket 05-235.

However, I am a US
permenent resident and have a US ham licence (not only a US licence, mind
you). My comments say nothing about my citizenship.

I have no dispute with that. If you have a U.S. radio license
then you are bound to U.S. radio regulations when transmitting
from U.S. territory using that callsign.

I suggest that it isn't
relevant, and it's the country of residence that is important. Of course, I
can't vote in elections, but the FCC comment process is specifically open
to anyone who cares to comment, even non-hams like you, LOL!

The FCC is "open" to ALL Comments on Mass Media Radio
(broadcasting) Regulations REGARDLESS of whether or not a
Commenter is IN Mass Media radio services.

The FCC is "open" to ALL Comments on Private Land Mobile
Radio Services' Regulations REGARDLESS of whether or not a
Commenter is IN Private Land Mobile radio services.

The FCC is "open" to ALL Comments on Aviation Radio Services'
Regulations REGARDLESS of whether or not a Commenter is IN
Aviation radio services.

The FCC is "open" to ALL Comments on Maritime Radio Services'
Regulations REGARDLESS of whether or not a Commenter is IN
Maritime radio services.

The FCC is "open" to ALL Comments on Personal Communications
Radio Services' Regulations REGARDLESS of whether or not a
Commenter is IN Personal Communications radio services.

However, in HERE whenever someone's particular personal ox
is gored or merely irritated with a scratch there seems to be
a sounding of the Hue and Cry! with all the outraged and
offended forming a posse to Hang Them High! :-)

Voiding one comment because the person specifically said they were a
foreign citizen doesn't make much sense, as there are in fact others from
foreign citizens that simply don't say (at least one, i.e. me, but
statistically there must be others).

Tough snit, Alun. I am doing a private unofficial tallying of
opinions on WT Docket 05-235. If my "voiding" of ONE Australian
Commenter's Comment in this tally is offensive, then simply add
in that ONE Comment in the "appropriate" category (of your
choice) after, of course, finding it and reading it to determine
what that Commenter is saying.

In fact I suspect that out of 1414 comments it's statistically likely that
there are some signed with bona fide US calls that are from foreign
citizens who have never lived in the US.

Tough snit, Alun. I am doing a private unofficial tallying of
opinions on WT Docket 05-235. If my "voiding" of ONE Australian
Commenter's Comment in this tally is offensive, then simply add
in that ONE Comment in the "appropriate" category (of your
choice) after, of course, finding it and reading it to determine
what that Commenter is saying.

You know there is US VE testing in
all the countries that have US bases, and it isn't just the military who
take the tests, but plenty of locals too. You would have to look up
everybody's address to find out who lives outside the US, and information
on citizenship of hams simply doesn't exist, so there is no way to verify
it.

Tough snit, Alun. I am doing a private unofficial tallying of
opinions on WT Docket 05-235. If my "voiding" of ONE Australian
Commenter's Comment in this tally is offensive, then simply add
in that ONE Comment in the "appropriate" category (of your
choice) after, of course, finding it and reading it to determine
what that Commenter is saying.

As I wrote on Mark's posting, ANYONE is free to go into the FCC
ECFS and READ EVERY Comment and decide for themselves, do their
own unofficial "poll" of opinions and post that. As of midnight
EDT on 12 August 2005 there were a total of 1437 Comments on WT
Docket 05-235. [that includes the very first document there, the
NPRM of the FCC which, by its own statement, would be in the "For"
category. The entirety of the ECFS contents is "open" to ALL
who have Internet access, foreign or domestic, citizen or alien.

Let me remind you and others of one important thing that the
"clubhouse" mentality hams don't fully understand: Neither the
FCC Commissioners NOR FCC Staff involved with U.S. amateur radio
regulations are required to hold any amateur radio license grant
in order to MAKE and ENFORCE U.S. amateur radio regulations.
[see Part 1 of Title 47 C.F.R. for a comprehensive set of
regulations on what the FCC is about, how it is organized, what
it is required to do by LAW as described in the Communications
Act of 1934 and as amended in the Telecommunications Act of
1996...those Acts passed by the Congress of the United States]
The First Amendment of the United States Consitution specifically
states that CITIZENS are given the freedom to "speak" to their
government on anything they so wish. As a citizen of the United
States of America that is what I am doing, have done, will
continue to do. That is the RIGHT of ALL United States citizens
on United States LAW.

law now

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight EDT on 12 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1438

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 62

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 390 28.34%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 797 57.92%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 189 13.74%


Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.
It should be noted that at least two individuals (one for,
the other against the NPRM) have been spotted making
multiple entries over following days; all such multiple
entries are considered duplicates and relegated to
Indeterminate sub-total regardless of their opinion position.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 12 Aug 05 that would be 1376.

12 August 2005 is the 18th day of submitted Comments. A notice
about FCC 05-143 or Docket WT 05-235 has NOT YET BEEN MADE in
the Federal Register so it is unknown if these 17 days of Comments
will be accepted by the Commission for decision on any Report and
Order. Note: The Federal Register 2005 Contents page on the GPO
website has NOT had any entry for 9 Aug 05 or later as of Noon,
EDT, 12 Aug 05.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

yes non

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of 12 Aug 05 (corrected on 15 Aug 05), WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1455

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 62

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 391 28.07%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 811 58.04%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 191 13.71%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 12 Aug 05 that would be 1393.

Note: This post revises my similar posting on 13 Aug 05 due
to the FCC adding 18 additional documents in the ECFS for
12 Aug 05 by 15 Aug 05. That is not uncommon in all dockets
and other issues open for comment.

As of about 2:30 PM EDT on 15 Aug 05, there were 129 entries
for 15 Aug 05 and those will be expected in increase up to
midnight with, possibly, additional entries for 15 Aug 05
appearing on the ECFS the next day. The scorecard will be
updated to reflect those numbers.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

yes non

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight, EDT, 15 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1595

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 70

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 431 28.26%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 879 57.64%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 215 14.10%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 15 Aug 05 that would be 1525.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

may bee

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of 8:00 PM, EDT, 16 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1598

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 70

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 432 28.27%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 880 57.59%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 216 14.14%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 15 Aug 05 that would be 1528.

As of 8:00 PM EDT on 16 August 2005, there were no entries
into the ECFS indicated as received on the 16th of August.
Three additional documents were entered for 15 Aug 05 by
the FCC.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

but not

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight, EDT, 16 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1612

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 72

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 443 28.14%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 908 57.69%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 223 14.17%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 16 Aug 05 that would be 1574.


Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

bet off

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight, EDT, 17 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1677

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 75

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 448 27.97%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 926 57.80%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 228 14.23%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 17 Aug 05 that would be 1602.


Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

not yes

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight, EDT, 18 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1720

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 80

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 454 27.68%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 952 58.05%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 234 14.27%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 17 Aug 05 that would be 1640.


Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

not yet

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of midnight, EDT, 19 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1743

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 80

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 461 27.72%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 966 58.09%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 236 14.19%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
midnight of 19 Aug 05 that would be 1663.


Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

end off

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of 1 PM, EDT, 22 Aug 05, up to 19 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235
Comments on Test Element 1 Elimination/Retention a

Total 1748

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 81

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 463 27.77%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 967 58.01%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 237 14.22%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 19 Aug 05 that would be 1667.

Five total letter documents were added into the ECFS on 22 Aug 05
for the 17th, 18th, 19th August. As of about 1 PM EDT on 22 Aug,
104 Comments have been entered for that date; more are expected
later in the day and totals will be upgraded and posted following.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

end off

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

22 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1866

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 92

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 497 28.02%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1020 57.50%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 257 14.49%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and three who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 22 Aug 05 that would be 1774.

As of 23 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

not cod

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

As of 23 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1885

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 94

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 507 28.31%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1025 57.23%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 259 14.46%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 23 Aug 05 that would be 1791.

As of 24 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143.

In the 20 Comments received on 23 Aug 05, 10 were against, only
6 were for the NPRM. This, the 25th day of Comments, is the
first time the Against Comments were higher than For Comments.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

not for

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

24 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1904

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 94

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 516 28.51%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1033 57.07%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 261 14.42%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 24 Aug 05 that would be 1810.

As of 25 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143 or WT Docket 05-235. I wonder why not?

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

non cod

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

25 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1913

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 94

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 520 28.59%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1037 57.01%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 262 14.40%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 25 Aug 05 that would be 1819.

As of 26 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143 or WT Docket 05-235. I wonder why not?

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

cod boo

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

26 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1923

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 94

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 524 28.65%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1040 56.86%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 265 14.49%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 26 Aug 05 that would be 1829.

As of 29 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143 or WT Docket 05-235. I wonder why not?

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

cup kin

Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

29 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1962

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 96

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 540 28.94%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1052 56.38%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 274 14.68%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 29 Aug 05 that would be 1866.

As of 30 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143 or WT Docket 05-235. I wonder why not?

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

pie sky

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Today's Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur NPRM Opinions!

26 Aug 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention a

Total 1923

Indeterminate/duplicates (note 1) 94

Unambiguously Against NPRM (note 2) 524 28.65%
Unambiguously For NPRM (note 3) 1040 56.86%
Code test ONLY for Extras (note 4) 265 14.49%

Notes:

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test.

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentage figures are calculated against the Total less
the number of Indeterminate entries. For all up to
being received by 26 Aug 05 that would be 1829.

As of 29 Aug 05, there still hasn't been any notice in the
Federal Register under Federal Communications Commission on
the NPRM FCC 05-143 or WT Docket 05-235. I wonder why not?

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

cup kin




Hello, Len

I personally am not concerned about code/no code. My problem is how easy do
they wish to make the multiple guess test. Frankly, folks that don't have
to work for something seldom appreciate it. Didn't they find that out with
welfare?

Then again, I might be wrong.

If you gave away the licenses with no test at all (no test international?),
a lot of folks might well say "no" and a lot of the rest wouldn't appreciate
it anyways.

Just my humble opinion.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA