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an_old_friend August 8th 05 07:19 AM


John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Hey! You got proof the FCC is interested in an amateurs equipment? What,
is it a gay organization now?

John


not at all they are as interested in Feamle hams equipment as well as,
male hams, nothing gay there. a Bit nosey prehaps not gay


On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:40:09 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


robert casey wrote:


Because you can never be certain that the ham will NOT
ever build anything. Additionally, all hams have technical
responsibility for their stations and the RF signals they
transmit.


If the FCC is to trust us with the legal ability to
pop the covers off our transmitters and make
adjustments and modifications, we need to have passed
tests to show that we have basic knowledge of RF and
such. That we'd know how to run and maintain a clean
operation.

It's quite rare that the FCC busts a ham for faulty
equipment anymore.


you know the last time the FCC busted a ham for faulty equipment



[email protected] August 8th 05 07:40 AM


Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Kelly:

I wish your mother would have told you it is not only pointless to attempt
to control others, it is also impolite... not to mention fruitless...
you guys, which attempt this meaningless control, make me ponder on what
type of idiots you have surrounded yourself with, which would take orders?

What do you call your little group, "Kellys' dummies?" Or, are you just
pulling a fast one on us, and truth is they ignore you and march to their
own drum? Are you sure you are an official in charge, or just
self-appointed?


Who is asking?


I mean this all seems quite ridiculous, are you sure the world revolves
upon your commands? I try to keep an open mind, even when ridiculous
posturing people pose preposterous ideas.


Well, there you go, "John". I'm trying to keep an open mind in reading
your material. It isn't easy.


Easy? It's impossible. Even Don Quixote would write this strange unit
off as a loon.

Dave K8MN


w3rv


John Smith August 8th 05 07:42 AM

Dave:

I don't agree with bush on a lot, but don't want to focus on running for
president either. Wasn't really happy with some teachers my son had, but
didn't want to go full-time academic either. I really don't like the way
the garbage men handle the trash, but refrain from that line of work also...

Really, make sense, drop the BS and out-right crap...

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:58:40 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

When the arrl sees fit to serve amateur radio to its' best purpose, and
the purpose of this country and its' citizens, I would be a fool not to be
a member... I await future times...


Sure, "John", let someone else do it all for you.

Dave K8MN

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:31:56 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

We? Are you an ARRL member? Len certainly isn't.

Dave K8MN





John Smith August 8th 05 07:43 AM

Dave:

I am only thankful the others don't have such difficulty as you. Have you
checked into medication, I hear they have something for alzheimers these
days... have a nice day...

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:01:10 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Kelly:

I wish your mother would have told you it is not only pointless to attempt
to control others, it is also impolite... not to mention fruitless...
you guys, which attempt this meaningless control, make me ponder on what
type of idiots you have surrounded yourself with, which would take orders?

What do you call your little group, "Kellys' dummies?" Or, are you just
pulling a fast one on us, and truth is they ignore you and march to their
own drum? Are you sure you are an official in charge, or just
self-appointed?


Who is asking?


I mean this all seems quite ridiculous, are you sure the world revolves
upon your commands? I try to keep an open mind, even when ridiculous
posturing people pose preposterous ideas.


Well, there you go, "John". I'm trying to keep an open mind in reading
your material. It isn't easy.

Dave K8MN

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:22:53 -0700, kelly wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dee:

I was a boy scout leader in my late 20's into my early 30's, it was hard,
my job made some allowances, heck, some of the people over me had kids in
my troop.

I think it can be done alright...

Old pharts shine in positions like supreme court justices, you don't need
the constitution to change all that much, indeed, in over 200 years it has
been a real benefit NOT having much change at all... you just have to
realize where you need young minds and where you need old ones...

It's like this "John": The ARRL is run by an elected, unpaid volunteer
BoD. In any practical sense the ARRL cannot be changed from the outside
but it can and has been changed from the inside. The "solution" is
rather obvious isn't it "John"? So go round up all your ARRL
like-minded member buddies and campaign to get one elected to the BoD
to kick off the "revolution".

In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.


John

w3rv




On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:43:33 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...

Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

John

They won't get to it until they are over 40 themselves. Right now they are
building their careers and raising families. Doesn't leave much time for
the major commitment of being in charge of the ARRL.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE





John Smith August 8th 05 07:45 AM

AOF:

Frankly, I have been much more interested in the lady hams equipment
myself... I think the FCC got that one right!

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:19:28 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Hey! You got proof the FCC is interested in an amateurs equipment? What,
is it a gay organization now?

John


not at all they are as interested in Feamle hams equipment as well as,
male hams, nothing gay there. a Bit nosey prehaps not gay


On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:40:09 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


robert casey wrote:


Because you can never be certain that the ham will NOT
ever build anything. Additionally, all hams have technical
responsibility for their stations and the RF signals they
transmit.


If the FCC is to trust us with the legal ability to
pop the covers off our transmitters and make
adjustments and modifications, we need to have passed
tests to show that we have basic knowledge of RF and
such. That we'd know how to run and maintain a clean
operation.

It's quite rare that the FCC busts a ham for faulty
equipment anymore.

you know the last time the FCC busted a ham for faulty equipment



John Smith August 8th 05 07:49 AM

Kelly:

You make a pathetic antagonist, also...

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:40:35 -0700, kelly wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Kelly:

I wish your mother would have told you it is not only pointless to attempt
to control others, it is also impolite... not to mention fruitless...
you guys, which attempt this meaningless control, make me ponder on what
type of idiots you have surrounded yourself with, which would take orders?

What do you call your little group, "Kellys' dummies?" Or, are you just
pulling a fast one on us, and truth is they ignore you and march to their
own drum? Are you sure you are an official in charge, or just
self-appointed?


Who is asking?


I mean this all seems quite ridiculous, are you sure the world revolves
upon your commands? I try to keep an open mind, even when ridiculous
posturing people pose preposterous ideas.


Well, there you go, "John". I'm trying to keep an open mind in reading
your material. It isn't easy.


Easy? It's impossible. Even Don Quixote would write this strange unit
off as a loon.

Dave K8MN


w3rv



Dave Heil August 8th 05 07:56 AM

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:

Kelly:

I wish your mother would have told you it is not only pointless to attempt
to control others, it is also impolite... not to mention fruitless...
you guys, which attempt this meaningless control, make me ponder on what
type of idiots you have surrounded yourself with, which would take orders?

What do you call your little group, "Kellys' dummies?" Or, are you just
pulling a fast one on us, and truth is they ignore you and march to their
own drum? Are you sure you are an official in charge, or just
self-appointed?


Who is asking?



I mean this all seems quite ridiculous, are you sure the world revolves
upon your commands? I try to keep an open mind, even when ridiculous
posturing people pose preposterous ideas.


Well, there you go, "John". I'm trying to keep an open mind in reading
your material. It isn't easy.



Easy? It's impossible. Even Don Quixote would write this strange unit
off as a loon.


I don't know if John is a loon or if, as I orginally surmised, he is
simply a troll. He is strange and he has bonded with Leonard. Water
always seeks its own level.

Dave K8MN

an old friend August 8th 05 07:59 AM


John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Frankly, I have been much more interested in the lady hams equipment
myself... I think the FCC got that one right!

John

these days I am payng more attention to a certain future lady ham's
equipment myself although I would not care to share her with the FCC

an aside It would be nice if you pruned some the endless stuff is
piling up at the end of your post, slows down my conection something
feirce indeed tonight I have felt like I was back on Dailup

shudder


Michael Coslo August 8th 05 01:10 PM

Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
wrote in part:


*Besides* eliminating the code test, what would *you* change about
the license tests?



I think the swimsuit competition needs to go.



HOWL! Ohhh, just the thought!

- I concur -

- Mike KB3EIA -


Michael Coslo August 8th 05 01:15 PM

Dave Heil wrote:


I don't know if John is a loon or if, as I orginally surmised, he is
simply a troll. He is strange and he has bonded with Leonard. Water
always seeks its own level.



With no anon-a-mousie comments or anything!

- Mike KB3EIA -


K4YZ August 8th 05 02:16 PM


an old friend wrote:
John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Frankly, I have been much more interested in the lady hams equipment
myself... I think the FCC got that one right!

John

these days I am payng more attention to a certain future lady ham's
equipment myself although I would not care to share her with the FCC


Oh?

Your "partner" has a sister? Lucky him.

an aside It would be nice if you pruned some the endless stuff is
piling up at the end of your post, slows down my conection something
feirce indeed tonight I have felt like I was back on Dailup

shudder


Geeze...

Even when YOU repost six-exchanges worth of re-quotes, it still
only takes me a split second to get the page up.

I imagine what slows down YOUR connection is trying to read what
we write. It's in English, and yours is...well..NOT English...Or not
much like it, any way...

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] August 8th 05 03:21 PM


John Smith wrote:
Kelly:

You make a pathetic antagonist, also...


Well yes "John", thank you for the compliment. Particularly as it comes
from you "John", the latest master of mindless antagonism to pass thru
our neighborhood. I bow to your expertise in the field.


John


w3rv


[email protected] August 8th 05 03:40 PM


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:



Well, there you go, "John". I'm trying to keep an open mind in reading
your material. It isn't easy.



Easy? It's impossible. Even Don Quixote would write this strange unit
off as a loon.


I don't know if John is a loon or if, as I orginally surmised, he is
simply a troll.


He's obviously just another transparent USENET master baiter and
nothing more.

He is strange and he has bonded with Leonard. Water
always seeks its own level.


Wash my mouf' but Sweetums stays on topic at least once in awhile. This
whatever-he-is "John" thingey is a whole 'nother ballgame who swims
much deeper in the muck than Sweetums does . .


Dave K8MN


w3rv


Michael Coslo August 8th 05 04:32 PM

wrote:

John Smith wrote:

Dee:

I was a boy scout leader in my late 20's into my early 30's, it was hard,
my job made some allowances, heck, some of the people over me had kids in
my troop.

I think it can be done alright...

Old pharts shine in positions like supreme court justices, you don't need
the constitution to change all that much, indeed, in over 200 years it has
been a real benefit NOT having much change at all... you just have to
realize where you need young minds and where you need old ones...



It's like this "John": The ARRL is run by an elected, unpaid volunteer
BoD. In any practical sense the ARRL cannot be changed from the outside
but it can and has been changed from the inside. The "solution" is
rather obvious isn't it "John"? So go round up all your ARRL
like-minded member buddies and campaign to get one elected to the BoD
to kick off the "revolution".

In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.


Like that is going to happen! 8^P Sounds like an interesting idea
though. An anonymous leader......

- Mike KB3EIA -


[email protected] August 8th 05 04:52 PM


Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote:



In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.


Like that is going to happen! 8^P Sounds like an interesting idea
though. An anonymous leader......


Heh. Yeah, like the lion in The Wizard of Oz.


- Mike KB3EIA -


w3rv


an_old_friend August 8th 05 05:19 PM


Mike Coslo wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:


Bill Sohl wrote:



cuting


then you need to read some the treaty requirements, the same treaty
that has been the only keeping code testing the ARS for a couple of
decades

Didn't we cover this before somewhere? There is a long history of
dancing around the treaty requirements. Like medical waivers for
starters....



nope you are simply in error. The waivers (only for speeds above 5wpm)
needed no dance


Oops! I am indeed in error on that!


most gracious of you to adknowledge that

and so rare on the newsgroup

- Mike KB3EIA -



an_old_friend August 8th 05 05:24 PM


K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Frankly, I have been much more interested in the lady hams equipment
myself... I think the FCC got that one right!

John

these days I am payng more attention to a certain future lady ham's
equipment myself although I would not care to share her with the FCC


Oh?

Your "partner" has a sister? Lucky him.


still can't keep the genders straight

no my partner, my current partner is female, what the gender of the
next one may be well who knows. I'll deal with that when I need to


an aside It would be nice if you pruned some the endless stuff is
piling up at the end of your post, slows down my conection something
feirce indeed tonight I have felt like I was back on Dailup

shudder


Geeze...

Even when YOU repost six-exchanges worth of re-quotes, it still
only takes me a split second to get the page up.

I imagine what slows down YOUR connection is trying to read what


you imagine some realy strangethings stvie but we all know that ,
except of course you

we write. It's in English, and yours is...well..NOT English...Or not
much like it, any way...


at last my replies have something to do with the topic, unlike many of
yours


Steve, K4YZ



Mike Coslo August 8th 05 06:25 PM

wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

wrote:




In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.


Like that is going to happen! 8^P Sounds like an interesting idea
though. An anonymous leader......



Heh. Yeah, like the lion in The Wizard of Oz.


And I'll pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo August 8th 05 06:27 PM

an_old_friend wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote:



Bill Sohl wrote:


cuting



then you need to read some the treaty requirements, the same treaty
that has been the only keeping code testing the ARS for a couple of
decades

Didn't we cover this before somewhere? There is a long history of
dancing around the treaty requirements. Like medical waivers for
starters....


nope you are simply in error. The waivers (only for speeds above 5wpm)
needed no dance


Oops! I am indeed in error on that!



most gracious of you to adknowledge that


No problem Mark. I really didn't do my homework on that one.


- Mike KB3EIA -

Bill Sohl August 9th 05 01:22 AM


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Bill Sohl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

(SNIP)
I raise these questions because there are some pretty powerful tools
available to people who feel otherwise.


What pretty powerful tools are you thinking of
and for what use? You lost me on that last comment.


Yeah, after rereading it I wasn't very clear, Bill. I just fear that some
of the Anti-Morse arguments might be adapted to gain other, less desirable
changes in Amateur radio.
- Mike KB3EIA -


OK, I understand your thoughts but so far we've not seen
any such move and, if we do, count me on your side in
opposition to such changes.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



John Smith August 9th 05 02:03 AM

Kelly:

You "antagonist" is anyone not agreeing with you, I'd venture they seem
without end...

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 07:21:25 -0700, kelly wrote:


John Smith wrote:
Kelly:

You make a pathetic antagonist, also...


Well yes "John", thank you for the compliment. Particularly as it comes
from you "John", the latest master of mindless antagonism to pass thru
our neighborhood. I bow to your expertise in the field.


John


w3rv



John Smith August 9th 05 02:05 AM

AOF:

I have nothing but words of encouragement, to court that ladies
fondness... and step into the light...

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:59:05 -0700, an old friend wrote:


John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Frankly, I have been much more interested in the lady hams equipment
myself... I think the FCC got that one right!

John

these days I am payng more attention to a certain future lady ham's
equipment myself although I would not care to share her with the FCC

an aside It would be nice if you pruned some the endless stuff is
piling up at the end of your post, slows down my conection something
feirce indeed tonight I have felt like I was back on Dailup

shudder



KØHB August 10th 05 05:37 AM


"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................


Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new NPRM, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not following his
lead.

Well, well, well!

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB






an old friend August 10th 05 05:41 AM


K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................


Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new NPR=

M, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not following=

his
lead.


check your memory again, didn't he do that is the last time too?

I think so but well that was a few years ago
=20
Well, well, well!
=20
beep beep
de Hans, K0HB



b.b. August 10th 05 12:44 PM


K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................


Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new NPR=

M, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not following=

his
lead.

Well, well, well!
=20
beep beep
de Hans, K0HB


He's an idiot.


K4YZ August 10th 05 01:39 PM


b=2Eb. wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................


Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new N=

PRM, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not followi=

ng his
lead.

Well, well, well!


Hans hasn't been paying attention.

He's an idiot.


Oh, gee, Brain, after all we've meant to each other, you want to
go and be "that way"...

Of course pathological liars such as yourself have a need to hide
behind others...And you DO have a lot to hide...

As for the comments...It's not as if there hasn't been a seven
year plus history of this NG IRT the Code test, Hans...One might draw
the conclusion that this group had a predetermined interest in the
subject and had make decisions on what to say.

Steve, K4YZ


an_old_friend August 10th 05 02:03 PM


K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................

Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new=

NPRM, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not follo=

wing his
lead.

Well, well, well!


Hans hasn't been paying attention.


well guess that is another admition that you will of course deny making


He's an idiot.


Oh, gee, Brain, after all we've meant to each other, you want to
go and be "that way"...

Of course pathological liars such as yourself have a need to hide
behind others...And you DO have a lot to hide...

As for the comments...It's not as if there hasn't been a seven
year plus history of this NG IRT the Code test, Hans...One might draw
the conclusion that this group had a predetermined interest in the
subject and had make decisions on what to say.
=20
Steve, K4YZ



KØHB August 10th 05 02:33 PM


"K4YZ" wrote

One might draw the conclusion that this group had
a predetermined interest in the subject and had make
decisions on what to say.


One might, or then again, one might not.

Since the Docket responds to 18 different petitions and runs to 30 pages in
length with over 200 footnote references, one might take the time to
thoughtfully review the FCC discussion in an unhurried (but timely) fashion.

Having done that, my comments have been submitted to FCC.

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB







[email protected] August 10th 05 04:23 PM

Since Fred has sold his interest in "W5YI Group" VEC, how is it that he
would have occasion comment for NCVEC?


Dee Flint August 11th 05 01:51 AM


"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"K4YZ" wrote

One might draw the conclusion that this group had
a predetermined interest in the subject and had make
decisions on what to say.


One might, or then again, one might not.

Since the Docket responds to 18 different petitions and runs to 30 pages
in length with over 200 footnote references, one might take the time to
thoughtfully review the FCC discussion in an unhurried (but timely)
fashion.

Having done that, my comments have been submitted to FCC.

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB


It does indeed require a slow and thoughtful reading to digest the whole
thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



b.b. August 11th 05 03:37 AM


K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................

Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new=

NPRM, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not follo=

wing his
lead.

Well, well, well!


Hans hasn't been paying attention.

He's an idiot.


Oh, gee, Brain, after all we've meant to each other, you want to
go and be "that way"...


Whatever "way" I might wish to be, changes not the fact that you're an
idiot.

Of course pathological liars such as yourself have a need to hide
behind others...And you DO have a lot to hide...


Looks like a clear case of projection.

As for the comments...It's not as if there hasn't been a seven
year plus history of this NG IRT the Code test, Hans...One might draw
the conclusion that this group had a predetermined interest in the
subject and had make decisions on what to say.


"had make???" Heil would stumble all over that one.

=20
Steve, K4YZ


Yes, yes. "Groupthink." Hi!


Dan/W4NTI August 12th 05 10:25 PM


"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"K4YZ" wrote

One might draw the conclusion that this group had
a predetermined interest in the subject and had make
decisions on what to say.


One might, or then again, one might not.

Since the Docket responds to 18 different petitions and runs to 30 pages
in length with over 200 footnote references, one might take the time to
thoughtfully review the FCC discussion in an unhurried (but timely)
fashion.

Having done that, my comments have been submitted to FCC.

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB






Hans,

I made my comments short and sweet. Basically asked them to leave a little
room for CW. The handwriting is on the wall my friend.

Dan/W4NTI




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