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RRAP Regulars A No-Show for WT05-235 Comments
Well, well, well....................
After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi- regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Steve, W5DXP, K3LT, WK3C, and W1RFI haven't posted to rrap in a long time. Cecil decided to focus on antennas soon after the 2000 restructuring. He said in here that 5 wpm was the right level, he resigned his NCI membership and went on to other things. Larry's work and other interests caused him to spend his time differently. Carl has shown up once or twice but his main focuses have been his job, house, anti-BPL and NCI duties. Heck, he was so busy it took him a year to get his Extra and vanity call. Ed has been focused on fighting BPL. He's also an ARRL staffer, so he may prefer not to even give the appearance of a conflict. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? It's only been a few days. There are weeks to go yet. Look at the responses - most of them are "Brief Comments", meaning a short yea or nay. Many are embarrassing in their poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. Better to spend some time proofreading and polishing. There's also the perception some have that the whole thing may be a done deal already. Suppose the majority of commenters want code testing to stay, either as it is now or maybe just for Extra. Will that make any difference at all to what FCC does? Back in 1999, a member of NCI read and tallied up the comments and found that the *majority* wanted either two or three code test speeds. Yet FCC went to 5 wpm only. On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... Almost everything NCVEC wanted in their second petition was denied. 73 de Jim, N2EY 313 btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF! |
K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... Hey Steve. I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike. There are occassional sidebars that are actually informative, but they are so few and far between, and usually usurped by yet another LennieRant as to make it ineffective as any discussion group. I've started a few threads on different policy issues before (as have others with sincere intent)only to have it drawn into Lennie's "It's a Might Morsemen Conspiracy" mode within a few posts... So...the NG isn't good for what it was intended...might as well use it for what it is good for... Mudfight! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal Register to comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
k.net... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal Register to comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups. Cheers, Bill K2UNK Well, Bill. I am not sure that a kind of public indictment of people who've not chosen to submit comments to something is all that democratic ( :o); but... I am, admittedly, a ham who is not all that active. I also *used* to be more affected emotionally by issues of CW and ham traditions than I am now. Maybe chalk that up to having spouted off to people like Larry, etc., for long enough that I've lost sail...LOL I have opinions on the service, the hobby, etc. But, I choose not to try to "affect" ham radio by way of my comments to NPRMs (that is, unless there was some kind of something that truly affected me emotionally) in things that I am OK with going either way and this one, I am. I think it's probably something along the lines of consensus. I may have an opinion of my own, but I am willing to step aside and yield to the prevailing group. Kim W5TIT |
my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course
To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly as Bill say we have 60 days K4YZ wrote: Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike. then consider giving up your mudslinging There are occassional sidebars that are actually informative, but they are so few and far between, and usually usurped by yet another LennieRant as to make it ineffective as any discussion group. I've started a few threads on different policy issues before (as have others with sincere intent)only to have it drawn into Lennie's "It's a Might Morsemen Conspiracy" mode within a few posts... haven't seen you start a thread related to radio, and that wasn't simply a luddite rant So...the NG isn't good for what it was intended...might as well use it for what it is good for... Mudfight! so says the senior mudslinger 73 Steve, K4YZ |
On 3 Aug 2005 03:15:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:
Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? Funny you should mention it. I filed mine today, as follows: BEGIN QUOTED MATERIAL ************************************************** ************************ Mr. Chairman and Commissioners: Following are my comments relative to proceeding WT 05-235, In the Matter of Amendment of Part of the Commission 's Rules To Implement WRC-03 Regulations Applicable to Requirements for Operator Licenses in the Amateur Radio Service. There have been many arguments posed in favor of eliminating the telegraphy requirement for an Amateur Radio license. I see no reason for me to rehash all of them at this time. Simply stated, it is my considered opinion that continuing to test for Morse proficiency as a prerequisite for licensing in the Amateur radio service is not in the public interest. Furthermore, the requirement serves no useful regulatory purpose, and is not consistent with the goals for the Amateur Radio Service as stated in the Basis And Purpose section of the Commission's rules set forth in Part 97. Therefore, I support the proposed rulemaking to the extent that it would remove the telegraphy requirement for all license classes in the Amateur Radio Service. I would also like to comment on the matter of operator privileges to be assigned to the various license classes in the event that the telegraphy requirement is removed. In my opinion, the current written examinations for the Novice, Technician, and Technician-Plus license classes do not, in my opinion, insure sufficient knowledge to safely operate an amateur station consistent with the privileges of the General Class license. The material covered in the General Class written examination simply is not covered in the exams for the Novice, Technician, and Technician-Plus classes. Therefore, I concur with the Commission's proposal to retain operator privileges for those classes consistent with those currently in effect. I state this with the realization that subject to the further modification of those privileges that would result from the separate proceeding and NPRM regarding the Phone Band Expansion, licensees holding those classes of license stand to receive a significant gain in operating privileges. I do not feel it is in the public interest to grant automatic upgrades to higher license classes without requiring applicants for those higher license classes to pass the appropriate written examinations. I also do not see a need for adding any new classes of amateur radio license. The reorganization of the Amateur Radio Service that took effect in the year 2000 has already dealt properly with the number of available license classes. Finally, I agree with the Commission's proposal to refrain from enacting any rules changes intended to more closely regulate the content of the written examinations. Applicants who pass one or more written examinations qualify for either a new license, or an upgrade to a higher class of license. As noted by the Commission in the NPRM, the purpose of the written examination is to insure that the applicant can safely operate a station. The written examinations are not, and were never intended to be, tests of an applicant's technical level or operating skills, other than those necessary to safely operate an amateur station while said applicant is developing his or her technical and operating skills. In other words, passing the exam is the beginning, not the end. Successful completion of the examination causes the applicant to be granted a license, which bestows certain privileges depending on the class of license that is granted. It is what the applicant does with those privileges after they are granted that demonstrates his or her technical level and operating skills. In fact, it occurs to me that, if one were required to be an electronics expert prior to obtaining an amateur license, then participation in the Amateur Radio Service would not be a viable means of training skilled operators and advancing the technical skills of those operators. This would not be in keeping with the Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio Service. In closing, then, I find myself in complete agreement with the proposed changes to the Commission's rules as stated in the NPRM. I would like to express my appreciation to the Commission for it's attention to this matter, and also, in no small part, for having "gotten it right" so to speak. While I am sure that this proposed rulemaking will generate considerable distress for some, I can say as the current holder of a General Class Amateur License that the Commission's proposed action on this matter is in the public interest and is in keeping with the Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio Service. Thanks you for the opportunity to participate in the regulatory process governing the Amateur Radio Service. I look forward to the Commission's eventual Report & Order on this matter. Sincerely, John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York ************************************************** ********************************* END QUOTED MATERIAL If anybody is having trouble with the ECFS telling you the matter is not open for commenting, be advised you cannot enter "WT05-235" in the "Proceeding" field on the cover sheet. Just enter "05-235" without any WT or FCC or anything else and it should work just fine. 73 de John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) zIRC #monitor Admin |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ Hello, Steve At age 58 and having lost my job in early 2004 (have had a couple of contract jobs), I've been *very* busy. To the point of not being nearly as involved as I should be with a number of Yahoo groups, some of which I moderate. I am not really concerned about Morse code; only the arrival of folks that simply want to scream the loudest (with a big splatterbox). Others are trainable. I've gotten to the point around here that if someone parks near my house with one of those ghetto-blasters running in their car or van, I open my windows and turn the entertainment system on pretty hard (6 Bose speakers and several hundred watts). Last time, the idiot turned of the car stereo and I had four pictures to pick up off the floor after shaking the whole house. So, if I can manage to find a decent, permanent job, my next move will be to get a decent HF rig and make sure the thing is set to cw regardless of the frequency (60 meters excepted LOL). 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish the stuff you intend to post here? Dave K8MN |
K4YZ wrote: Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... I'm sooooooooooooo suprised that you bothered. A uniform is not required for comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? Ask after the closing date. On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... What did the ARRL ay? Will they sell books anyway? 73 Steve, K4YZ 72.125, bb |
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Dave:
Yeah, I am always so hung up on spelling and grammer I can't focus unless it is perfect... there are both meds and psyche help for it, I hope those who can't cope with this severe disability on their own avail themselves of what is available... John On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:04:08 +0000, Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish the stuff you intend to post here? Dave K8MN |
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b.b.:
Isn't it like, "Why bother?" Either the USA at least joins NCI belatedly, or else displays a psychotic need to fight progress... this has to be a given... religious zealots can never see the insanity in themselves, just others... John On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:12:22 -0700, b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... I'm sooooooooooooo suprised that you bothered. A uniform is not required for comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? Ask after the closing date. On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... What did the ARRL ay? Will they sell books anyway? 73 Steve, K4YZ 72.125, bb |
K4YZ wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate No kidding? You're the #1 problem. |
Kim wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote in message k.net... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal Register to comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups. Cheers, Bill K2UNK Well, Bill. I am not sure that a kind of public indictment of people who've not chosen to submit comments to something is all that democratic ( :o); but... I am, admittedly, a ham who is not all that active. I also *used* to be more affected emotionally by issues of CW and ham traditions than I am now. Maybe chalk that up to having spouted off to people like Larry, etc., for long enough that I've lost sail...LOL I have opinions on the service, the hobby, etc. But, I choose not to try to "affect" ham radio by way of my comments to NPRMs (that is, unless there was some kind of something that truly affected me emotionally) in things that I am OK with going either way and this one, I am. I think it's probably something along the lines of consensus. I may have an opinion of my own, but I am willing to step aside and yield to the prevailing group. Kim W5TIT Kim, don't yield to these sandbaggers. Post your comments to the FCC. bb |
Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish the stuff you intend to post here? you want to pay the bill? you are being mighty generous with my money there Dave and the typists do only part of the work of course and when you going to use em yourself "..spelling and grammar and important.." Dave K8MN |
John Smith wrote: Dave: Yeah, I am always so hung up on spelling and grammer I can't focus unless it is perfect... there are both meds and psyche help for it, I hope those who can't cope with this severe disability on their own avail themselves of what is available... what is realy amazing that if I typed in Morse I am sure theyd mange to get all of it no problem John On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:04:08 +0000, Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish the stuff you intend to post here? Dave K8MN |
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ups.com... Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish the stuff you intend to post here? you want to pay the bill? you are being mighty generous with my money there Dave and the typists do only part of the work of course and when you going to use em yourself "..spelling and grammar and important.." Dave K8MN ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y'all just need to learn we are all hooman.... Kim W5TIT |
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Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish the stuff you intend to post here? you want to pay the bill? you are being mighty generous with my money there Dave Right. I know things are tough, Mark. You can't be bothered and your inability to present coherent material here is everyone else's problem. and the typists do only part of the work of course The trained chimps take care of the rest? and when you going to use em yourself "..spelling and grammar and important.." You can see my single typo and can't notice any of yours? Any sympathy I had over your affliction just went down another notch. Dave K8MN |
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John Smith wrote: Dave: Yeah, I am always so hung up on spelling and grammer I can't focus unless it is perfect... there are both meds and psyche help for it, I hope those who can't cope with this severe disability on their own avail themselves of what is available... what is realy amazing that if I typed in Morse I am sure theyd mange to get all of it no problem Gibberish "typed in morse" would still be gibberish. Dave K8MN |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? -------------- OK, here's what I (K2UNK) just sent in: 1. I have been an amateur for over 45 years and hold an Extra class license. I fully endorse the proposed rules changes by the FCC in NPRM 05-235 which, if so adopted will end all code testing. 2. The discussion and debate on the need for any code testing was fully covered some 5 years ago by the FCC with not one compelling reason identified that could justify continued code testing except for the international treaty to which the USA was a party to. 3. As the FCC clearly notes, that treaty has now eliminated (via WRC-2003) any required code testing and now clears the path for full deletion of code testing for USA amateurs. 4. Accordingly, and in the absence of any new compelling rational to retain a code test, the FCC has only one logical choice.end all code Testing. Respectfully, Bill Sohl, K2UNK |
From: "b.b." on Wed 3 Aug 2005 16:26
K4YZ wrote: wrote: K4YZ wrote: 73 de Jim, N2EY 313 btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF! Like I said...too bad there's noit a penalty for perjury in those comments...Page 1 would have got him in HAC right off the bat. Now Steve libels Len... Who's next??? ANYONE who disagrees with stebie WILL get libeled...that's a given. Poor stebie doesn't understand that reality isn't black-and- white, governed by stebie's rules. Stebie thinks anything written against HIS viewpoint is "libel." Tsk, tsk, tsk. tsk tsk |
From: "b.b." on Wed 3 Aug 2005 16:22
wrote: K4YZ wrote: Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi- regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Steve, W5DXP, K3LT, WK3C, and W1RFI haven't posted to rrap in a long time. Cecil decided to focus on antennas soon after the 2000 restructuring. He said in here that 5 wpm was the right level, he resigned his NCI membership and went on to other things. Larry's work and other interests caused him to spend his time differently. Carl has shown up once or twice but his main focuses have been his job, house, anti-BPL and NCI duties. Heck, he was so busy it took him a year to get his Extra and vanity call. Ed has been focused on fighting BPL. He's also an ARRL staffer, so he may prefer not to even give the appearance of a conflict. Smart boy. The Miccolis Amateur Detective Agency (MADA) can't take it any more... :-) Or maybe its a new gubmint intelligence agency, the MIA (Miccolis Intercode Agency)... Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? It's only been a few days. There are weeks to go yet. K4YZ demands immediate replies!!! NOW, NOW, NOW!!! :-) Look at the responses - most of them are "Brief Comments", meaning a short yea or nay. Many are embarrassing in their poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. Better to spend some time proofreading and polishing. Making fun of the dyslexic? PCTA extras LOVE to humiliate anyone with anything different from their viewpoints. There's almost 600 Comments in the ECFS now and the daily number is increasing. The "brief comments" exist on BOTH sides of the code test issue. There's also the perception some have that the whole thing may be a done deal already. It was a done deal in the 70's. The gov't just works vewwy, vewwy swoly. Actually, the official word from the gubmint came in 1990 on the worth of the code test to the FCC for amateur radio licenses. See FCC 90-53 on the creation of the no-code-test Technician class. But...with no less than EIGHTEEN petitions to change U.S. ham radio AND about six thousand Comments on same, the petitions' main themes showing LITTLE of the "consensus" that the FCC mentioned, it's a wonder that an NPRM appeared this soon (in my opinion). Suppose the majority of commenters want code testing to stay, Huh??? Where did you get that hair-brained idea? Who redefined "majority???" Jimmie doesn't get out much, doesn't understand the rest of the "amateur community" other than his immediate Code Club. With 3 August almost over, the FOR:AGAINST ratio is 392:129 or 3.1:1 on WT Docket 05-235. [575 total Comments to date, with 54 of those "in-betweeners" or duplicate Comments] either as it is now or maybe just for Extra. Or maybe just for wishful thinking... Only about 9.4% of Comments to date are "in-betweeners" or duplicates. Most of those in-betweeners wish to have code testing MOSTLY for extras...but a tiny few want FAST code for ALL...:-) Will that make any difference at all to what FCC does? Back in 1999, a member of NCI read and tallied up the comments and found that the *majority* wanted either two or three code test speeds. Yet FCC went to 5 wpm only. Hi!!! Now you think the FCC will reverse itself after releasing this NPRM? Hi, hi, hi!!! Tsk, tsk, tsk...Jimmie is a SORE loser...no, he's a BITTER SORE LOSER, wanting to re-fight and re-fight all the OLD issues in order to "win" something. On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... Almost everything NCVEC wanted in their second petition was denied. Ditto N2EY requests... Tsk, tsk. EIGHT Petitions (mostly pro-coders) were DENIED while TEN Pentitons were "GRANTED in part." Jimmie's "Blackguard" and "Quitefine" personalities are beginning to emerge, wanting to FIGHT! :-) Old battles, old fighting, done again hoping to "win" for once. He ought to realize it won't work...be he no do. btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF! Looks objective to me. No toob equipment. Give Jimmie SOME credit...he may have learned how to design solid- state circuitry by now...but so far, all he's built of that are KITS designed by others. As far as the vast majority of commenters, I would be OBJECTIVE on this issue since I have NO vested interest in preserving a license title/rank/status/privilege of any kind. Last I heard, the FCC was accepting Comments from ALL CITIZENS, not just the minority in the "clubhouse" looking out at the rest of the world (and wondering why no one respects them for their "radio pioneer" work). :-) new old |
From: John Smith on Wed 3 Aug 2005 06:57
Kim: Good post, I can't disagree with much there. People are funny, no accounting for some of their views, beliefs and ways, I guess. One thing we can hold faith in, if some strive to hold back progress as much as it looks like the are to me, I believe strongly they will only fail. As, anyone over-looking our past can plainly see, the only thing which has truly been consistant is the push forward, always on to new technology and better hardware and methods. Some fear tomorrow, some can't wait for it to get here... John, what the PCTAs FEAR is losing their precious prestige and sense of self-worth from their Nobel-quality achievement of federally-tested morsemanship. When that is gone, they don't have much of anything else. Remember what Stebie Rosebud said out loud in here..."it's all about the LICENSE." That's all it is to him, apparently. out dit |
an_old_friend wrote: my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly What you NEED is Ms. Cleo to read your mind and save those poor saps the effort of defragging your written trash. Steve, K4YZ |
an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike. then consider giving up your mudslinging Then consider stopping providing so much dirt and water. Steve, K4YZ |
b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Like I said...too bad there's not a penalty for perjury in those comments...Page 1 would have got him in HAC right off the bat. Now Steve libels Len... Who's next??? Where's the libel, Brain? I said Lennie couldn't get past the first page without mentioning ADA and lying. He did both on the very first page of his comments to the FCC. It's not libel if it's true. Steve, K4YZ |
b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate No kidding? You're the #1 problem. Actually, I'd put myself around 5th or 6th. You, Lennie, Markie and Toad get the first four, hands down, but not necessarily in that order. I'm vacillitating between WA8ULX and the "anonnies" as a group being fifth. I'll leave it to you guys to argue about who get's to be first. Steve, K4YZ Steve, K4YZ |
an old friend wrote: John Smith wrote: Dave: Yeah, I am always so hung up on spelling and grammer I can't focus unless it is perfect... there are both meds and psyche help for it, I hope those who can't cope with this severe disability on their own avail themselves of what is available... what is realy amazing that if I typed in Morse I am sure theyd mange to get all of it no problem I have absolutely no doubt, whatsoever, that it is absolutely impossible for you to do that. First of all, you don't know Morse Code...You'd have to have a "cheat sheet" and do each letter one-at-a-time. You're too impatient to spam us with your ill-conceived dreck as it is, and even then all you have to do is push ONE button to make a letter apperear..I can imagine you trying to take the time just to spell "an_old_friend" in Code! Then you can't spell correctly in the second place. So there we'd have your incomprehensible typed code trying to encode even more incomprehensible "words"... We'd have better luck reading the United States Tax Code after feeding it to a shredder than reading your "Morse Code", typed, sent, telepathied, or otherwise. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? Egbert C. Craig, Jr., WA2SI August 4, 2005 Re. NPRM WT 05-235 To Whom It May Concern: Undoubtedly, there will be many comments filed re. This NPRM. Therefore, I will be brief and to the point. Although I am not new to radio and earned my GROL long before my amateur radio license, I am a relative newcomer to the Amateur Radio Service. As such, I feel that I can offer an alternative view to many of the "old timers." I believe that there is still a very important place for minimal Morse code proficiency testing in U.S. amateur radio licensing. I've been told that "proficiency" is the technically correct term, however, I do not feel 5-wpm represents Morse code proficiency. I feel that the current 5-wpm Element 1 test is sufficient to require an individual to learn the Morse characters so that s/he may then make an educated decision as to whether or not s/he wishes to pursue CW further. I would also like to dispel two myths that I have repeatedly heard/read in the argument for dropping Element 1. =B7 The current Element 1 test acts as a filter to keep out CBers and other "insufficiently-dedicated" individuals. =B7 The current Element 1 test acts as a deterrent to newcomers to the hobby/service. Along with being an amateur radio "newcomer," I am also a CBer and Element 1 did not deter me in any way, shape, or form from upgrading my license class and earning HF privileges. If during the course of reviewing the comments filed re. NPRM WT 05-235, this demographic is referred to while supporting the removal of Element 1, please do not include me. This "newcomer" wholeheartedly supports the retention of Element 1 testing for the General and Extra class licenses. In closing, I would also like to remind those who believe that Morse code testing serves no "regulatory purpose" in amateur radio that there is an intrinsic quality at stake here too. It is part of our culture and tradition and therefore should not be removed entirely from the curriculum. Thank you for your time and attention. Sincerely, Egbert C. Craig, Jr., WA2SI |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: Remember what Stebie Rosebud said out loud in here..."it's all about the LICENSE." That's all it is to him, apparently. Whellllp....You'll lie on documents that you send to the federal government. I guess it's just as easy for you to lie here. more libel Steve Robeson did NOT say "...it's all about the license..." you have said words to that effect, a valid response even under oath Steve Robeson DID say that Amateur Radio is about OPERATING the radio...Something that Lennie Anderson cannot do without the license. His frequently mentioned GROL is useless for Part 97 operations. another Stevie lie Len or anyone else without a license can indeed operate on ARS frequecies the means are well know the Stevie or should be in addition of course one can simply operate (ilegal but possible) Leonard Anderson lied on federally submitted documents. Right there on page one. anything Stevie doesn't like is a lie Putz. more obsession with genitals Steve, K4YZ |
From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:24
K4YZ wrote: wrote: Remember what Stebie Rosebud said out loud in here..."it's all about the LICENSE." That's all it is to him, apparently. Whellllp....You'll lie on documents that you send to the federal government. I guess it's just as easy for you to lie here. more libel Not really. He's just nutso, Mark. He's frustrated and Angry As Hell And Can't Take It Anymore! as of several years ago. Steve Robeson did NOT say "...it's all about the license..." you have said words to that effect, a valid response even under oath I can pull out a recent archive quote from Google to prove what Stebie said...but Stebie would DENY it (under oath or mumbling several oaths), try to rationalize it, all to avoid EVER saying any of us are correct. In his disordered mind, all negative sayings against Stebie are LIES!!! :-) Steve Robeson DID say that Amateur Radio is about OPERATING the radio...Something that Lennie Anderson cannot do without the license. His frequently mentioned GROL is useless for Part 97 operations. another Stevie lie Len or anyone else without a license can indeed operate on ARS frequecies In a REAL emergency...FCC regulations say so. :-) However, I can and have operated MANY RADIOS quite well and all legally...just not IN the amateur frequency allocations legally. OPERATION no problem. Leonard Anderson lied on federally submitted documents. Right there on page one. anything Stevie doesn't like is a lie The current President of the United States LIED when he said, before the nation, that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, thus justifying invasion and the killing of thousands of Iraqis and 1800 U.S. military personnel. So far, shrub hasn't been recalled and still occupies the White House. :-) Tsk. Stebie EXAGGERATES something fierce! :-) "LIED ON FEDERALLY SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS!!!!" Sound the Hue and Cry!!! Form the posse! Hang 'em high! Stebie needs to wash his KKK "white dress uniform," especially around the mouth. It's gone on seven years now and hasn't been cleaned...must be itching something fierce after seven years. No problem. We'll see Stebie IN COURT. Oyez, oyez! :-) Putz. more obsession with genitals Maybe Stebie isn't "getting any?" He wants to Convert? Oy gevalt! sha lom |
wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:24 K4YZ wrote: wrote: Remember what Stebie Rosebud said out loud in here..."it's all about the LICENSE." That's all it is to him, apparently. Whellllp....You'll lie on documents that you send to the federal government. I guess it's just as easy for you to lie here. more libel Not really. He's just nutso, Mark. He's frustrated and Angry As Hell And Can't Take It Anymore! as of several years ago. I supose his being insane might be a defense Steve Robeson did NOT say "...it's all about the license..." you have said words to that effect, a valid response even under oath I can pull out a recent archive quote from Google to prove what Stebie said...but Stebie would DENY it (under oath or mumbling several oaths), try to rationalize it, all to avoid EVER saying any of us are correct. In his disordered mind, all negative sayings against Stebie are LIES!!! :-) indeed anything said by someone he doesn't like He can't even admit teh Borthers grim did more than write down fairy tales Steve Robeson DID say that Amateur Radio is about OPERATING the radio...Something that Lennie Anderson cannot do without the license. His frequently mentioned GROL is useless for Part 97 operations. another Stevie lie Len or anyone else without a license can indeed operate on ARS frequecies In a REAL emergency...FCC regulations say so. :-) or if there is a Licensed op around However, I can and have operated MANY RADIOS quite well and all legally...just not IN the amateur frequency allocations legally. OPERATION no problem. Leonard Anderson lied on federally submitted documents. Right there on page one. anything Stevie doesn't like is a lie The current President of the United States LIED when he said, before the nation, that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, thus justifying invasion and the killing of thousands of Iraqis and 1800 U.S. military personnel. So far, shrub hasn't been recalled and still occupies the White House. :-) Tsk. Stebie EXAGGERATES something fierce! :-) "LIED ON FEDERALLY SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS!!!!" Sound the Hue and Cry!!! Form the posse! Hang 'em high! Stebie needs to wash his KKK "white dress uniform," especially around the mouth. It's gone on seven years now and hasn't been cleaned...must be itching something fierce after seven years. No problem. We'll see Stebie IN COURT. Oyez, oyez! :-) nope stevie lack the guts and likely the funds to take us there, and seem to lack the funds to worth us taking him there id rather see him up before a comitement broad but likely he is not screwed up enough to commit given the way they let folks out now Putz. more obsession with genitals Maybe Stebie isn't "getting any?" He wants to Convert? I don't he wants to convert just has and can't admit it to himself let alone anyone esle Oy gevalt! sha lom |
Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a
morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... John T. W5KXO San Antonio, Texas |
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