Dave:

Well, there is debate and argument for good and reason, and then there is
not...

Then there is religious devotion to a test which serves only a select few...

It would be interesting if the powers that be were to decide in keeping CW--and
then explain why they alone in the world community made that decision, frankly,
I would be happy not to have that task...

There are plentiful examples of insanity in this world... that old book which
bears the title something like "The Emperor Wore No Clothes" is as meaningful
today as the day it was written...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Nice attempt at "spin doctoring" for the weak minded...
It is like fishing, you bait your hook, toss it in the water and see what
bites...

John

At least that's how you do it, "John".

Dave K8MN

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:36:54 -0700, N2EY wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN
LIARS!"


Omission of relevant facts can be a form of lying.

Here's the whole story:

I read that bit of W5YI propaganda, and also the original articles in
"200 Meters And Down" and the QSTs of the time.

(have you done so?)

The referenced article does not give all the relevant facts.

For one thing, the article claims that "higher speed" code testing has
been
used to "limit the number of hams since the very beginning of ham
licensing".
The fact is that all US hams were licensed in the US by 1912, 24 years
before the 1936 happenings cited. The code test speed after 1919 was 10
wpm, and the 1936 increase to 13 wpm - hardly a quantum leap.

To get a clear picture of what was actually happening, it is important
to
understand what ham radio was like back in those days. After WW1, ham
radio
almost ceased to exist. It was brought back to life by the dedicated
efforts
of a few enthusiasts.

Amateur radio was not even recognized by international treaty until
1927. The
1927 treaty resulted in stricter new rules and much-narrowed bands.

By 1929 there were about 16,000 hams in the US. Almost
all of them were on the 160, 80, 40, and 20 meter bands. A typical ham
transmitter was a self-controlled power oscillator, and a typical ham
receiver
was a three tube regenerative. Sure, more advanced techniques existed,
but few
hams could afford them in thos Great Depression years.

Code skill was important in almost all radio services. 10 wpm was not
considered as anything like professional level - 25 or 30 wpm was more
like it. (This was with semiautomatic keys for sending and manual
typewriters for
highspeed copy).

1929 saw two big changes to ham radio. The treaties signed in 1927 came
into
effect, which cut deeply into the 40 and 20 meter hambands (70% of 40
was lost, and 80% of 20). The treaties also required much cleaner
signals from ham rigs. The Great Depression followed soon afterwards.

But the Depression and the new regs had a surprising effect on ham
radio. The
number of hams took a sharp upturn in the early thirties. By 1935 there
were
over 46,000 hams - almost TRIPLING the number of just five years
earlier! But the turnover in amateur radio was approaching 40% per
year.

This meant that most hams were raw newcomers, with relatively little
technical
knowledge or operating skills. A ham with 5 years on the air was a
veteran, one with 10 years was a grizzled old timer. Problems of
interference and crowding abounded. Complaints from other services
threatened the existence of ham radio.

The problem was that thousands of newcomers were learning just enough
to pass
the tests, assembling simple stations with little understanding of
proper
design, adjustment, or operation, and putting them on the air. Many of
these
newcomers lost interest quickly, particularly when the limitations of
their
knowledge and skills became apparent. The newly formed FCC was
concerned, as
was the ARRL.

The action proposed by the ARRL to the FCC was in two parts: Raise the
code
speed SLIGHTLY, (10 to 12-1/2 wpm) and make the written test more
comprehensive. The changes to the written tests are all but ignored by
the NCI
article.

The goal was NOT to limit the total number of hams, nor to hinder or
deter anyone from getting a license, but to control the flood of
newcomers, and make sure that the new folks had the necessary skills
and knowledge.

Look at the complete picture, and the action of the FCC in 1936 makes
sense.
73 de Jim, N2EY

Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations have
all decided to keep CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave:

Well, there is debate and argument for good and reason, and then there is
not...

Then there is religious devotion to a test which serves only a select
few...

It would be interesting if the powers that be were to decide in keeping
CW--and then explain why they alone in the world community made that
decision, frankly, I would be happy not to have that task...

There are plentiful examples of insanity in this world... that old book
which bears the title something like "The Emperor Wore No Clothes" is as
meaningful today as the day it was written...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Nice attempt at "spin doctoring" for the weak minded...
It is like fishing, you bait your hook, toss it in the water and see
what
bites...

John

At least that's how you do it, "John".

Dave K8MN

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:36:54 -0700, N2EY wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN
LIARS!"


Omission of relevant facts can be a form of lying.

Here's the whole story:

I read that bit of W5YI propaganda, and also the original articles in
"200 Meters And Down" and the QSTs of the time.

(have you done so?)

The referenced article does not give all the relevant facts.

For one thing, the article claims that "higher speed" code testing has
been
used to "limit the number of hams since the very beginning of ham
licensing".
The fact is that all US hams were licensed in the US by 1912, 24 years
before the 1936 happenings cited. The code test speed after 1919 was 10
wpm, and the 1936 increase to 13 wpm - hardly a quantum leap.

To get a clear picture of what was actually happening, it is important
to
understand what ham radio was like back in those days. After WW1, ham
radio
almost ceased to exist. It was brought back to life by the dedicated
efforts
of a few enthusiasts.

Amateur radio was not even recognized by international treaty until
1927. The
1927 treaty resulted in stricter new rules and much-narrowed bands.

By 1929 there were about 16,000 hams in the US. Almost
all of them were on the 160, 80, 40, and 20 meter bands. A typical ham
transmitter was a self-controlled power oscillator, and a typical ham
receiver
was a three tube regenerative. Sure, more advanced techniques existed,
but few
hams could afford them in thos Great Depression years.

Code skill was important in almost all radio services. 10 wpm was not
considered as anything like professional level - 25 or 30 wpm was more
like it. (This was with semiautomatic keys for sending and manual
typewriters for
highspeed copy).

1929 saw two big changes to ham radio. The treaties signed in 1927 came
into
effect, which cut deeply into the 40 and 20 meter hambands (70% of 40
was lost, and 80% of 20). The treaties also required much cleaner
signals from ham rigs. The Great Depression followed soon afterwards.

But the Depression and the new regs had a surprising effect on ham
radio. The
number of hams took a sharp upturn in the early thirties. By 1935 there
were
over 46,000 hams - almost TRIPLING the number of just five years
earlier! But the turnover in amateur radio was approaching 40% per
year.

This meant that most hams were raw newcomers, with relatively little
technical
knowledge or operating skills. A ham with 5 years on the air was a
veteran, one with 10 years was a grizzled old timer. Problems of
interference and crowding abounded. Complaints from other services
threatened the existence of ham radio.

The problem was that thousands of newcomers were learning just enough
to pass
the tests, assembling simple stations with little understanding of
proper
design, adjustment, or operation, and putting them on the air. Many of
these
newcomers lost interest quickly, particularly when the limitations of
their
knowledge and skills became apparent. The newly formed FCC was
concerned, as
was the ARRL.

The action proposed by the ARRL to the FCC was in two parts: Raise the
code
speed SLIGHTLY, (10 to 12-1/2 wpm) and make the written test more
comprehensive. The changes to the written tests are all but ignored by
the NCI
article.

The goal was NOT to limit the total number of hams, nor to hinder or
deter anyone from getting a license, but to control the flood of
newcomers, and make sure that the new folks had the necessary skills
and knowledge.

Look at the complete picture, and the action of the FCC in 1936 makes
sense.
73 de Jim, N2EY

Dan:

What communist counties do is almost always in the interest of the shadow
gov't really running the country. That is supposed to be surprising?

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:06:36 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations have
all decided to keep CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave:

Well, there is debate and argument for good and reason, and then there is
not...

Then there is religious devotion to a test which serves only a select
few...

It would be interesting if the powers that be were to decide in keeping
CW--and then explain why they alone in the world community made that
decision, frankly, I would be happy not to have that task...

There are plentiful examples of insanity in this world... that old book
which bears the title something like "The Emperor Wore No Clothes" is as
meaningful today as the day it was written...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Nice attempt at "spin doctoring" for the weak minded...
It is like fishing, you bait your hook, toss it in the water and see
what
bites...

John

At least that's how you do it, "John".

Dave K8MN

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:36:54 -0700, N2EY wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN
LIARS!"


Omission of relevant facts can be a form of lying.

Here's the whole story:

I read that bit of W5YI propaganda, and also the original articles in
"200 Meters And Down" and the QSTs of the time.

(have you done so?)

The referenced article does not give all the relevant facts.

For one thing, the article claims that "higher speed" code testing has
been
used to "limit the number of hams since the very beginning of ham
licensing".
The fact is that all US hams were licensed in the US by 1912, 24 years
before the 1936 happenings cited. The code test speed after 1919 was 10
wpm, and the 1936 increase to 13 wpm - hardly a quantum leap.

To get a clear picture of what was actually happening, it is important
to
understand what ham radio was like back in those days. After WW1, ham
radio
almost ceased to exist. It was brought back to life by the dedicated
efforts
of a few enthusiasts.

Amateur radio was not even recognized by international treaty until
1927. The
1927 treaty resulted in stricter new rules and much-narrowed bands.

By 1929 there were about 16,000 hams in the US. Almost
all of them were on the 160, 80, 40, and 20 meter bands. A typical ham
transmitter was a self-controlled power oscillator, and a typical ham
receiver
was a three tube regenerative. Sure, more advanced techniques existed,
but few
hams could afford them in thos Great Depression years.

Code skill was important in almost all radio services. 10 wpm was not
considered as anything like professional level - 25 or 30 wpm was more
like it. (This was with semiautomatic keys for sending and manual
typewriters for
highspeed copy).

1929 saw two big changes to ham radio. The treaties signed in 1927 came
into
effect, which cut deeply into the 40 and 20 meter hambands (70% of 40
was lost, and 80% of 20). The treaties also required much cleaner
signals from ham rigs. The Great Depression followed soon afterwards.

But the Depression and the new regs had a surprising effect on ham
radio. The
number of hams took a sharp upturn in the early thirties. By 1935 there
were
over 46,000 hams - almost TRIPLING the number of just five years
earlier! But the turnover in amateur radio was approaching 40% per
year.

This meant that most hams were raw newcomers, with relatively little
technical
knowledge or operating skills. A ham with 5 years on the air was a
veteran, one with 10 years was a grizzled old timer. Problems of
interference and crowding abounded. Complaints from other services
threatened the existence of ham radio.

The problem was that thousands of newcomers were learning just enough
to pass
the tests, assembling simple stations with little understanding of
proper
design, adjustment, or operation, and putting them on the air. Many of
these
newcomers lost interest quickly, particularly when the limitations of
their
knowledge and skills became apparent. The newly formed FCC was
concerned, as
was the ARRL.

The action proposed by the ARRL to the FCC was in two parts: Raise the
code
speed SLIGHTLY, (10 to 12-1/2 wpm) and make the written test more
comprehensive. The changes to the written tests are all but ignored by
the NCI
article.

The goal was NOT to limit the total number of hams, nor to hinder or
deter anyone from getting a license, but to control the flood of
newcomers, and make sure that the new folks had the necessary skills
and knowledge.

Look at the complete picture, and the action of the FCC in 1936 makes
sense.
73 de Jim, N2EY

Of course, but Communism is done, right??? hi hi.

Russia has NOT dropped Morse. Nor has most of the ex Eastern Block
countries.

Years ago when I was in Germany in the US Army it was decided to fire back
up on CW training. The reason was because the Ruskies were having a field
day trashing our HF nets. We were on AM/SSB/RATT (RTTY), and they would
get close, or right on top of them on CW.

It was a total flop because hardly anyone in the US Military new Morse well
enough to copy it.

Point is this. The Russians and their close neighbors are smart enough to
realize Morse is a worth while mode and will continue its use.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

What communist counties do is almost always in the interest of the shadow
gov't really running the country. That is supposed to be surprising?

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:06:36 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations
have
all decided to keep CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave:

Well, there is debate and argument for good and reason, and then there
is
not...

Then there is religious devotion to a test which serves only a select
few...

It would be interesting if the powers that be were to decide in keeping
CW--and then explain why they alone in the world community made that
decision, frankly, I would be happy not to have that task...

There are plentiful examples of insanity in this world... that old book
which bears the title something like "The Emperor Wore No Clothes" is as
meaningful today as the day it was written...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Nice attempt at "spin doctoring" for the weak minded...
It is like fishing, you bait your hook, toss it in the water and see
what
bites...

John

At least that's how you do it, "John".

Dave K8MN

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:36:54 -0700, N2EY wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old
key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN
LIARS!"


Omission of relevant facts can be a form of lying.

Here's the whole story:

I read that bit of W5YI propaganda, and also the original articles in
"200 Meters And Down" and the QSTs of the time.

(have you done so?)

The referenced article does not give all the relevant facts.

For one thing, the article claims that "higher speed" code testing has
been
used to "limit the number of hams since the very beginning of ham
licensing".
The fact is that all US hams were licensed in the US by 1912, 24 years
before the 1936 happenings cited. The code test speed after 1919 was
10
wpm, and the 1936 increase to 13 wpm - hardly a quantum leap.

To get a clear picture of what was actually happening, it is important
to
understand what ham radio was like back in those days. After WW1, ham
radio
almost ceased to exist. It was brought back to life by the dedicated
efforts
of a few enthusiasts.

Amateur radio was not even recognized by international treaty until
1927. The
1927 treaty resulted in stricter new rules and much-narrowed bands.

By 1929 there were about 16,000 hams in the US. Almost
all of them were on the 160, 80, 40, and 20 meter bands. A typical ham
transmitter was a self-controlled power oscillator, and a typical ham
receiver
was a three tube regenerative. Sure, more advanced techniques existed,
but few
hams could afford them in thos Great Depression years.

Code skill was important in almost all radio services. 10 wpm was not
considered as anything like professional level - 25 or 30 wpm was more
like it. (This was with semiautomatic keys for sending and manual
typewriters for
highspeed copy).

1929 saw two big changes to ham radio. The treaties signed in 1927
came
into
effect, which cut deeply into the 40 and 20 meter hambands (70% of 40
was lost, and 80% of 20). The treaties also required much cleaner
signals from ham rigs. The Great Depression followed soon afterwards.

But the Depression and the new regs had a surprising effect on ham
radio. The
number of hams took a sharp upturn in the early thirties. By 1935
there
were
over 46,000 hams - almost TRIPLING the number of just five years
earlier! But the turnover in amateur radio was approaching 40% per
year.

This meant that most hams were raw newcomers, with relatively little
technical
knowledge or operating skills. A ham with 5 years on the air was a
veteran, one with 10 years was a grizzled old timer. Problems of
interference and crowding abounded. Complaints from other services
threatened the existence of ham radio.

The problem was that thousands of newcomers were learning just enough
to pass
the tests, assembling simple stations with little understanding of
proper
design, adjustment, or operation, and putting them on the air. Many of
these
newcomers lost interest quickly, particularly when the limitations of
their
knowledge and skills became apparent. The newly formed FCC was
concerned, as
was the ARRL.

The action proposed by the ARRL to the FCC was in two parts: Raise the
code
speed SLIGHTLY, (10 to 12-1/2 wpm) and make the written test more
comprehensive. The changes to the written tests are all but ignored by
the NCI
article.

The goal was NOT to limit the total number of hams, nor to hinder or
deter anyone from getting a license, but to control the flood of
newcomers, and make sure that the new folks had the necessary skills
and knowledge.

Look at the complete picture, and the action of the FCC in 1936 makes
sense.
73 de Jim, N2EY

Dan:

Too bad the americans had not developed HS Digital Checksum Error
Corrected Voice Transmission Packet methods over spread spectrum... could
have filtered the CW audio and went right on, would have pi$$ed 'em off in
style! Oh well, too late for back then, but today we can!

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:27:35 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Of course, but Communism is done, right??? hi hi.

Russia has NOT dropped Morse. Nor has most of the ex Eastern Block
countries.

Years ago when I was in Germany in the US Army it was decided to fire back
up on CW training. The reason was because the Ruskies were having a field
day trashing our HF nets. We were on AM/SSB/RATT (RTTY), and they would
get close, or right on top of them on CW.

It was a total flop because hardly anyone in the US Military new Morse well
enough to copy it.

Point is this. The Russians and their close neighbors are smart enough to
realize Morse is a worth while mode and will continue its use.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

What communist counties do is almost always in the interest of the shadow
gov't really running the country. That is supposed to be surprising?

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:06:36 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations
have
all decided to keep CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave:

Well, there is debate and argument for good and reason, and then there
is
not...

Then there is religious devotion to a test which serves only a select
few...

It would be interesting if the powers that be were to decide in keeping
CW--and then explain why they alone in the world community made that
decision, frankly, I would be happy not to have that task...

There are plentiful examples of insanity in this world... that old book
which bears the title something like "The Emperor Wore No Clothes" is as
meaningful today as the day it was written...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Nice attempt at "spin doctoring" for the weak minded...
It is like fishing, you bait your hook, toss it in the water and see
what
bites...

John

At least that's how you do it, "John".

Dave K8MN

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:36:54 -0700, N2EY wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old
key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN
LIARS!"


Omission of relevant facts can be a form of lying.

Here's the whole story:

I read that bit of W5YI propaganda, and also the original articles in
"200 Meters And Down" and the QSTs of the time.

(have you done so?)

The referenced article does not give all the relevant facts.

For one thing, the article claims that "higher speed" code testing has
been
used to "limit the number of hams since the very beginning of ham
licensing".
The fact is that all US hams were licensed in the US by 1912, 24 years
before the 1936 happenings cited. The code test speed after 1919 was
10
wpm, and the 1936 increase to 13 wpm - hardly a quantum leap.

To get a clear picture of what was actually happening, it is important
to
understand what ham radio was like back in those days. After WW1, ham
radio
almost ceased to exist. It was brought back to life by the dedicated
efforts
of a few enthusiasts.

Amateur radio was not even recognized by international treaty until
1927. The
1927 treaty resulted in stricter new rules and much-narrowed bands.

By 1929 there were about 16,000 hams in the US. Almost
all of them were on the 160, 80, 40, and 20 meter bands. A typical ham
transmitter was a self-controlled power oscillator, and a typical ham
receiver
was a three tube regenerative. Sure, more advanced techniques existed,
but few
hams could afford them in thos Great Depression years.

Code skill was important in almost all radio services. 10 wpm was not
considered as anything like professional level - 25 or 30 wpm was more
like it. (This was with semiautomatic keys for sending and manual
typewriters for
highspeed copy).

1929 saw two big changes to ham radio. The treaties signed in 1927
came
into
effect, which cut deeply into the 40 and 20 meter hambands (70% of 40
was lost, and 80% of 20). The treaties also required much cleaner
signals from ham rigs. The Great Depression followed soon afterwards.

But the Depression and the new regs had a surprising effect on ham
radio. The
number of hams took a sharp upturn in the early thirties. By 1935
there
were
over 46,000 hams - almost TRIPLING the number of just five years
earlier! But the turnover in amateur radio was approaching 40% per
year.

This meant that most hams were raw newcomers, with relatively little
technical
knowledge or operating skills. A ham with 5 years on the air was a
veteran, one with 10 years was a grizzled old timer. Problems of
interference and crowding abounded. Complaints from other services
threatened the existence of ham radio.

The problem was that thousands of newcomers were learning just enough
to pass
the tests, assembling simple stations with little understanding of
proper
design, adjustment, or operation, and putting them on the air. Many of
these
newcomers lost interest quickly, particularly when the limitations of
their
knowledge and skills became apparent. The newly formed FCC was
concerned, as
was the ARRL.

The action proposed by the ARRL to the FCC was in two parts: Raise the
code
speed SLIGHTLY, (10 to 12-1/2 wpm) and make the written test more
comprehensive. The changes to the written tests are all but ignored by
the NCI
article.

The goal was NOT to limit the total number of hams, nor to hinder or
deter anyone from getting a license, but to control the flood of
newcomers, and make sure that the new folks had the necessary skills
and knowledge.

Look at the complete picture, and the action of the FCC in 1936 makes
sense.
73 de Jim, N2EY

From: John Smith on Aug 7, 3:38 pm

Dan:

Too bad the americans had not developed HS Digital Checksum Error
Corrected Voice Transmission Packet methods over spread spectrum... could
have filtered the CW audio and went right on, would have pi$$ed 'em off in
style! Oh well, too late for back then, but today we can!

The only thing WRONG with this back-and-forth is Dan's claim
of Disability from Vietnam. The Vietnam War ended in 1975,
THIRTY YEARS AGO. Had he been in communications with the
military in Yurp "after" that, he wouldn't have any "disability"
since he would be on active duty. If Dan Jeswald got out of
the military DUE to warfare in Vietnam, then his personal
experience from Yurp military exercises is THIRTY YEARS OLD.

Present-day, and back in the FIRST Gulf War times, U.S. land
forces most definitely have COMSEC (COMmunications SECurity)
which pretty well defeats old-style jammers. The first instance
of that was the AN/PRC-119 family, "SINCGARS," which is a
selectable digital-voice/data, single frequency or frequency
hopper on 30 to 88 MHz. It became operational in the U.S.
Army in 1989, first sets to Army in Korea. At frequency hops
of 10 per second, it is virtually immune to standard (old-style)
jamming and very resistant to "noise jamming." [it's damn hard
to detect, let alone jam] Later ("SIP") versions available by
the SECOND Gulf War ("Revenge of the Shrub") had fully built-in
COMSEC (voice scrambler no longer an external box) and half
the size of the original manpack. A QUARTER MILLION R/T sets
(manpack, vehicular, airborne) have been produced to the end
of 2004 and all fielded.

The land forces use a variety of radios and pieces of the EM
spectrum, NOT so totally dependent on HF as Dan would have
you believe. For MOST of the message transmissions, those
go through VHF, UHF, troposcatter, and microwave radio systems
with microwave dominating the major relays through military
comm sats...one reason why CENCOM could command the 2nd Gulf
War from Florida.

As to HF radios in the military land forces, the AN/PRC-104
family (20 W manpack through 400 W PEP vehicular) is a synth
frequency control unit for a full 3 to 30 MHz span and with
automatic antenna tuner (even in the manpack!) and direct
connections to COMSEC boxes. Designed and built by Hughes
Aircraft Ground Division, it became operational first in
1986. It will be replaced by the AN/PRC-150 family designed
by Harris, called by them "Falcon II." The "150" is more
resistant to jamming and has built-in COMSEC.

What these very amateur "military analysts" don't understand
is that the RUSSIAN comm equipment "sold" to Iraq in the
1st Gulf War ALSO HAD SS-LIKE RF SCRAMBLING. That was back
in 1990, 15 years ago. [they also had very Russian armor
in which they carried those NON-morse-code radios]

As to the alleged "CW intel from behind the lines" BS spouted
by a few in here back some 6 to 7 years, the U.S. Army had
the (now obsolete and replaced with newer) UHF portables
with built-in data, "chiclet" keyboards, LCD mini-screens
and with three different portable antennas to shoot to the
comm sats or to orbiting comm relay aircraft. None of this
nonsense of easy-to-DF HF slow-speed "CW" where the RF
was spraying in all directions from omnidirectional antennas.
Data rate then was 1200 BPS and the antennas directional.

Whatever the Russians do in amateur regulations is a FAR cry
from what they field in their army...as modern as any even
if they have meager maintenance and not as much of the good
stuff as the US military has. "WE" know HOW to jam them,
or at least most of what they have for radios...the reverse
has NOT been true for at least 15 years.

You can take my word of it or not. I didn't "stop" working
in communications for any part of DoD after my Honorable
Discharge in 1960. I've played with SINCGARS and entered
enough hopsets through its touch-screen front panel. I would
have personally liked to work on the PRC-104, at least in
operational testing, but other contract work called. What
I've remarked on in public here is FROM public information
that anyone can get, on paper or electronically.

Instead, we have all these other "military analysts" claiming
ten kinds of "knowledge" (some allegedly personal) which, in
all likelyhood, comes from Popular Mechanics or old TV shows.
Even the "FAS" (Foundation of American Scientists) is behind
the times with old data from the 1980s. Better than nothing,
I suppose. One thing for sure, the Russian amateur radio
regs are NOT formulated to "build up a pool of trained
morsemen" to serve in their military for their national
whatevers.

Geez, if all these renowned AMATEUR military radio experts
were telling like it is, the USAF recruiting posters would
feature "Air Crews For B-17s and B-24s" and the USA would
still have sojer pictures with pre-1940 'dish' helmets
and lace-up leggings a la 1940. :-)

Unless something new has come up, WT Docket 05-235 is NOT
concerned whether or not the Russkies still test for morse
code. The FCC doesn't regulate in Russia...any more than
Stebie Wundermurine "regulates" Somalian radio.

Whatever Russia cares to do after WRC-03 is THEIR concern,
not ours. We and the Brits have to help them raise their
mini-subs or record their interceptor comms as they shoot
down Korean civil airliners (played back in front of the
UN some time ago). On the other hand, a regular columnist
at ANTENNEX website is Russian and they are NOT sticking
with 1950s technology these days.

But, there's some ruff-and-tuff commie sympathizers talking
at ya, John, and don't nobody step in THEIR way! :-)

Dosvedanya droog Ivan

day off

wrote in message
oups.com...

The only thing WRONG with this back-and-forth is Dan's claim
of Disability from Vietnam. The Vietnam War ended in 1975,
THIRTY YEARS AGO. Had he been in communications with the
military in Yurp "after" that, he wouldn't have any "disability"
since he would be on active duty. If Dan Jeswald got out of
the military DUE to warfare in Vietnam, then his personal
experience from Yurp military exercises is THIRTY YEARS OLD.

cut and paste snipped

Lennie,

If you actually knew what you think you know then you would indeed be a
dangerous man.

What your actually are is a pitiful excuse
for a human being. One who lives in the paste and because of his inability
to learn Morse code has decided to take it out on those that could, and
did.

You know absolutely nothing about my military situation, other than the
easily obtained information such as dates of service. I'll save you the
trouble. Perhaps you can figure it out. If not I'll be glad to help.

June 1964 to June 1968 USAF
April 1971 to Dec 1979 US ARMY

Had he been in communications with the
military in Yurp "after" that, he wouldn't have any "disability"
since he would be on active duty.


I passed my Army physical in 1971, passed Army basic at Ft. Knox in 1971
and was assigned to Hanau, Germany. I came stateside for a tour at Ft.
McClellan then back to Germany again. Fulda this time with the 11th Armored
Cavalary.

From 1972 until I left service I was on medical profile. I ELECTED to get
out and went to the VA and received 50%, later upgraded to the present
100%.

Your ignorance is glowing Lennie, only overshadowed by your stupidity.

Dan/W4NTI

The only filtering on our HF systems was the crystal filters in the IF's and
my ears.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

Too bad the americans had not developed HS Digital Checksum Error
Corrected Voice Transmission Packet methods over spread spectrum... could
have filtered the CW audio and went right on, would have pi$$ed 'em off in
style! Oh well, too late for back then, but today we can!

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:27:35 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Of course, but Communism is done, right??? hi hi.

Russia has NOT dropped Morse. Nor has most of the ex Eastern Block
countries.

Years ago when I was in Germany in the US Army it was decided to fire
back
up on CW training. The reason was because the Ruskies were having a
field
day trashing our HF nets. We were on AM/SSB/RATT (RTTY), and they would
get close, or right on top of them on CW.

It was a total flop because hardly anyone in the US Military new Morse
well
enough to copy it.

Point is this. The Russians and their close neighbors are smart enough
to
realize Morse is a worth while mode and will continue its use.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

What communist counties do is almost always in the interest of the
shadow
gov't really running the country. That is supposed to be surprising?

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:06:36 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations
have
all decided to keep CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave:

Well, there is debate and argument for good and reason, and then there
is
not...

Then there is religious devotion to a test which serves only a select
few...

It would be interesting if the powers that be were to decide in
keeping
CW--and then explain why they alone in the world community made that
decision, frankly, I would be happy not to have that task...

There are plentiful examples of insanity in this world... that old
book
which bears the title something like "The Emperor Wore No Clothes" is
as
meaningful today as the day it was written...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Nice attempt at "spin doctoring" for the weak minded...
It is like fishing, you bait your hook, toss it in the water and see
what
bites...

John

At least that's how you do it, "John".

Dave K8MN

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:36:54 -0700, N2EY wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old
key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are
DAMN
LIARS!"


Omission of relevant facts can be a form of lying.

Here's the whole story:

I read that bit of W5YI propaganda, and also the original articles
in
"200 Meters And Down" and the QSTs of the time.

(have you done so?)

The referenced article does not give all the relevant facts.

For one thing, the article claims that "higher speed" code testing
has
been
used to "limit the number of hams since the very beginning of ham
licensing".
The fact is that all US hams were licensed in the US by 1912, 24
years
before the 1936 happenings cited. The code test speed after 1919 was
10
wpm, and the 1936 increase to 13 wpm - hardly a quantum leap.

To get a clear picture of what was actually happening, it is
important
to
understand what ham radio was like back in those days. After WW1,
ham
radio
almost ceased to exist. It was brought back to life by the dedicated
efforts
of a few enthusiasts.

Amateur radio was not even recognized by international treaty until
1927. The
1927 treaty resulted in stricter new rules and much-narrowed bands.

By 1929 there were about 16,000 hams in the US. Almost
all of them were on the 160, 80, 40, and 20 meter bands. A typical
ham
transmitter was a self-controlled power oscillator, and a typical
ham
receiver
was a three tube regenerative. Sure, more advanced techniques
existed,
but few
hams could afford them in thos Great Depression years.

Code skill was important in almost all radio services. 10 wpm was
not
considered as anything like professional level - 25 or 30 wpm was
more
like it. (This was with semiautomatic keys for sending and manual
typewriters for
highspeed copy).

1929 saw two big changes to ham radio. The treaties signed in 1927
came
into
effect, which cut deeply into the 40 and 20 meter hambands (70% of
40
was lost, and 80% of 20). The treaties also required much cleaner
signals from ham rigs. The Great Depression followed soon
afterwards.

But the Depression and the new regs had a surprising effect on ham
radio. The
number of hams took a sharp upturn in the early thirties. By 1935
there
were
over 46,000 hams - almost TRIPLING the number of just five years
earlier! But the turnover in amateur radio was approaching 40% per
year.

This meant that most hams were raw newcomers, with relatively little
technical
knowledge or operating skills. A ham with 5 years on the air was a
veteran, one with 10 years was a grizzled old timer. Problems of
interference and crowding abounded. Complaints from other services
threatened the existence of ham radio.

The problem was that thousands of newcomers were learning just
enough
to pass
the tests, assembling simple stations with little understanding of
proper
design, adjustment, or operation, and putting them on the air. Many
of
these
newcomers lost interest quickly, particularly when the limitations
of
their
knowledge and skills became apparent. The newly formed FCC was
concerned, as
was the ARRL.

The action proposed by the ARRL to the FCC was in two parts: Raise
the
code
speed SLIGHTLY, (10 to 12-1/2 wpm) and make the written test more
comprehensive. The changes to the written tests are all but ignored
by
the NCI
article.

The goal was NOT to limit the total number of hams, nor to hinder or
deter anyone from getting a license, but to control the flood of
newcomers, and make sure that the new folks had the necessary skills
and knowledge.

Look at the complete picture, and the action of the FCC in 1936
makes
sense.
73 de Jim, N2EY

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations have
all decided to keep CW.

and you WANT the US to keep such company

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
hack

"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Minor correction "John Smith". If the USA decided not to drop CW, it
would NOT be alone in world. Russia and her ex Soviet Block nations
have
all decided to keep CW.

and you WANT the US to keep such company


Absolutely I want us to keep such company.

Hows the old saying go? Keep your enemies close and your friends closer.

Dan/W4NTI