Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything... nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing... I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it... however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:24:56 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

Cut the BS. You don't like me.

I don't like you? I have no idea who or what you are. Right now,
you're simply a nameless, faceless entity whose rantings often make him
appear to be drinking or heavily medicated.

You seek to discredit and make ground
though character assassination and any other dirty trick you learned in
grade school... no one cares... not even me... stay there if you wish...

How can I possibly discredit he who does not exist?

I cannot fathom what you get from such, or what rewards such behavior has
paid you in the past, but then, all depends on what you are after I
suppose. Frankly, it is just my nature to hope you enjoy it, whatever it
may do for you...

My statement about your not being a Ben Franklin--utterly heartfelt.

My statement asking about your being an actor--quite sincere.

The bit about my not purchasing a rose plant of the variety "John
Smith"? That's likely true. It would have to be one beautiful rose.

The part about my not reading books by anonymous individuals attempting
to present something as factual--you have my actual view.

That bit about a town meeting? Why, "John", that's the way it works.
Nobody jumps up anonymously and present material to the council.

My correction of your blurb about voting? Take it to the bank.

My refutation of your claim about not being able to attack you because
you haven't a face or a name? Spot on.

My statement questioning your use of numbers and makeup of amateur radio
and your claims about the ARRL? They represent very real concerns I
have with anonymous trolls who make unsubstantiated claims.

So which B.S. is left to cut?

Dave K8MN

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:57:45 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

Your ideas are bit strange, you probably didn't like old ben franklin when
he assumed a pen name.

I've read Ben Franklin. You're no Ben Franklin.


Perhaps you refuse to read books when the author
has adopted a pen name?

If he claims to speak "the truth" then, no. Have you written books as
"John Smith"?


Perhaps you despise actors for adopting a stage
name?

I'm fine with actors. I've watched Alec Baldwin in movies and don't
have a problem with him *as an actor*. When Alec Baldwin pontificates
on politics, I don't give him any credence. Are you the actor "John Smith"?


Perhaps your appreciation of a rose is solely based upon its' name,
and "by another name, a rose is NOT a rose?"

You may have a point. I'm not likely to purchase a rose bush of the
variety "John Smith".


Funny, it is principals and NOT personalities which have the true merit
and worth--you seem to lack ability to grasp that concept...

Your recent stuff reads like the rantings of homeless folks I've
encountered in New York. There is little of principal and little of
fact. Actually, there's been little of your stuff in which true merit
and worth has been addressed or established.


a good old
buddies club where you only accept argument when it comes from a name you
recognize is not available to you always, let me see, in real life
those individuals who assign worth of an idea based on the persons
identity whose idea it is, is called, in slang mind you, a "Kiss Ass"
or "Brown Noser"... you are lost without knowing the identity behind
the idea!

Not so, "John Smith". If I'm present at a town council meeting, folks
are free to state their opinions. They have faces and they give their
names. No pseudonyms are permitted and no one stands behind a velvet
drape to present his views.


Perhaps the voting system of the USA is found in fault with
you--it seems to guarantee anonymity... you seem to need a face and a
character to attack--character assassination is your forte!

You can't walk into any polling place, unregistered and vote. Your
identity is known and you've previously presented credentials which
establish your right to vote. What is not known on election day is *how
you voted*.

You don't have a face nor any identifiable character to attack and here
I am attacking your statements. Go figure!


You seem to avoid argument on only an ideas worth, resorting to
attacking thin air in an effort to confuse the unwitting... well, some
just must proceed with the handicaps the world, God and nature assigns
them, or they choose to shackle themselves with... strange though, how
you choose to make yourself a prime example of the close minded "good ole
boys" I mention, it almost makes me think you get the idea on some
unconscious level and act out emotionally (but in text form) on what is
presented--strange...

Your recent rantings present wild numbers and unverified percentages of
individuals within amateur radio. You've made some unsubstantiated
claims about the ARRL and about currently licensed radio amateurs. I'm
not going to let you get by with that unchallenged. It is quite easy to
hide behind your sofa and make pathetic claims as an anonymous writer.

Dave K8MN


John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:38:08 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:



John Smith wrote:


Len:

As long as evil exists in the world, there will always be a "John Smith"
to oppose it--a thousand deaths and the spirit of John Smith will live on.
This man is invincible and immortal, death is only a tunnel to the next
life, and to pick up the fight of evil men once again!

Yep, what we need is more men who hide behind a pseudonym rather than
openly standing by their convictions. As "John Smith", you can post
your views without any personal repercussions--and you can check into a
cheap motel with some floozy.

Dave K8MN

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of
your claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors
with pen names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward
something new.

nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.

I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!

however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:24:56 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

Cut the BS. You don't like me.

I don't like you? I have no idea who or what you are. Right now,
you're simply a nameless, faceless entity whose rantings often make him
appear to be drinking or heavily medicated.


You seek to discredit and make ground
though character assassination and any other dirty trick you learned in
grade school... no one cares... not even me... stay there if you wish...

How can I possibly discredit he who does not exist?


I cannot fathom what you get from such, or what rewards such behavior has
paid you in the past, but then, all depends on what you are after I
suppose. Frankly, it is just my nature to hope you enjoy it, whatever it
may do for you...

My statement about your not being a Ben Franklin--utterly heartfelt.

My statement asking about your being an actor--quite sincere.

The bit about my not purchasing a rose plant of the variety "John
Smith"? That's likely true. It would have to be one beautiful rose.

The part about my not reading books by anonymous individuals attempting
to present something as factual--you have my actual view.

That bit about a town meeting? Why, "John", that's the way it works.
Nobody jumps up anonymously and present material to the council.

My correction of your blurb about voting? Take it to the bank.

My refutation of your claim about not being able to attack you because
you haven't a face or a name? Spot on.

My statement questioning your use of numbers and makeup of amateur radio
and your claims about the ARRL? They represent very real concerns I
have with anonymous trolls who make unsubstantiated claims.

So which B.S. is left to cut?

Dave K8MN


John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:57:45 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:



John Smith wrote:


Dave:

Your ideas are bit strange, you probably didn't like old ben franklin when
he assumed a pen name.

I've read Ben Franklin. You're no Ben Franklin.



Perhaps you refuse to read books when the author
has adopted a pen name?

If he claims to speak "the truth" then, no. Have you written books as
"John Smith"?



Perhaps you despise actors for adopting a stage
name?

I'm fine with actors. I've watched Alec Baldwin in movies and don't
have a problem with him *as an actor*. When Alec Baldwin pontificates
on politics, I don't give him any credence. Are you the actor "John Smith"?



Perhaps your appreciation of a rose is solely based upon its' name,
and "by another name, a rose is NOT a rose?"

You may have a point. I'm not likely to purchase a rose bush of the
variety "John Smith".



Funny, it is principals and NOT personalities which have the true merit
and worth--you seem to lack ability to grasp that concept...

Your recent stuff reads like the rantings of homeless folks I've
encountered in New York. There is little of principal and little of
fact. Actually, there's been little of your stuff in which true merit
and worth has been addressed or established.



a good old
buddies club where you only accept argument when it comes from a name you
recognize is not available to you always, let me see, in real life
those individuals who assign worth of an idea based on the persons
identity whose idea it is, is called, in slang mind you, a "Kiss Ass"
or "Brown Noser"... you are lost without knowing the identity behind
the idea!

Not so, "John Smith". If I'm present at a town council meeting, folks
are free to state their opinions. They have faces and they give their
names. No pseudonyms are permitted and no one stands behind a velvet
drape to present his views.



Perhaps the voting system of the USA is found in fault with
you--it seems to guarantee anonymity... you seem to need a face and a
character to attack--character assassination is your forte!

You can't walk into any polling place, unregistered and vote. Your
identity is known and you've previously presented credentials which
establish your right to vote. What is not known on election day is *how
you voted*.

You don't have a face nor any identifiable character to attack and here
I am attacking your statements. Go figure!



You seem to avoid argument on only an ideas worth, resorting to
attacking thin air in an effort to confuse the unwitting... well, some
just must proceed with the handicaps the world, God and nature assigns
them, or they choose to shackle themselves with... strange though, how
you choose to make yourself a prime example of the close minded "good ole
boys" I mention, it almost makes me think you get the idea on some
unconscious level and act out emotionally (but in text form) on what is
presented--strange...

Your recent rantings present wild numbers and unverified percentages of
individuals within amateur radio. You've made some unsubstantiated
claims about the ARRL and about currently licensed radio amateurs. I'm
not going to let you get by with that unchallenged. It is quite easy to
hide behind your sofa and make pathetic claims as an anonymous writer.

Dave K8MN



John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:38:08 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:




John Smith wrote:



Len:

As long as evil exists in the world, there will always be a "John Smith"
to oppose it--a thousand deaths and the spirit of John Smith will live on.
This man is invincible and immortal, death is only a tunnel to the next
life, and to pick up the fight of evil men once again!

Yep, what we need is more men who hide behind a pseudonym rather than
openly standing by their convictions. As "John Smith", you can post
your views without any personal repercussions--and you can check into a
cheap motel with some floozy.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of
your claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors
with pen names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward
something new.

holes? hmmmm ah it is procoder thing we nocoders would not understand

nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.

I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!

however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

break

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

then show some MANNERS and thank the man


Dave K8MN

Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

John

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...
John Smith wrote:
Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.

nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.

I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!

however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:24:56 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

Cut the BS. You don't like me.

I don't like you? I have no idea who or what you are. Right now, you're
simply a nameless, faceless entity whose rantings often make him appear
to be drinking or heavily medicated.


You seek to discredit and make ground
though character assassination and any other dirty trick you learned in
grade school... no one cares... not even me... stay there if you wish...

How can I possibly discredit he who does not exist?


I cannot fathom what you get from such, or what rewards such behavior
has
paid you in the past, but then, all depends on what you are after I
suppose. Frankly, it is just my nature to hope you enjoy it, whatever
it
may do for you...

My statement about your not being a Ben Franklin--utterly heartfelt.

My statement asking about your being an actor--quite sincere.

The bit about my not purchasing a rose plant of the variety "John Smith"?
That's likely true. It would have to be one beautiful rose.

The part about my not reading books by anonymous individuals attempting
to present something as factual--you have my actual view.

That bit about a town meeting? Why, "John", that's the way it works.
Nobody jumps up anonymously and present material to the council.

My correction of your blurb about voting? Take it to the bank.

My refutation of your claim about not being able to attack you because
you haven't a face or a name? Spot on.

My statement questioning your use of numbers and makeup of amateur radio
and your claims about the ARRL? They represent very real concerns I have
with anonymous trolls who make unsubstantiated claims.

So which B.S. is left to cut?

Dave K8MN


John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:57:45 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:



John Smith wrote:


Dave:

Your ideas are bit strange, you probably didn't like old ben franklin
when
he assumed a pen name.

I've read Ben Franklin. You're no Ben Franklin.



Perhaps you refuse to read books when the author
has adopted a pen name?

If he claims to speak "the truth" then, no. Have you written books as
"John Smith"?



Perhaps you despise actors for adopting a stage
name?

I'm fine with actors. I've watched Alec Baldwin in movies and don't
have a problem with him *as an actor*. When Alec Baldwin pontificates
on politics, I don't give him any credence. Are you the actor "John
Smith"?



Perhaps your appreciation of a rose is solely based upon its' name,
and "by another name, a rose is NOT a rose?"

You may have a point. I'm not likely to purchase a rose bush of the
variety "John Smith".



Funny, it is principals and NOT personalities which have the true
merit
and worth--you seem to lack ability to grasp that concept...

Your recent stuff reads like the rantings of homeless folks I've
encountered in New York. There is little of principal and little of
fact. Actually, there's been little of your stuff in which true merit
and worth has been addressed or established.



a good old
buddies club where you only accept argument when it comes from a name
you
recognize is not available to you always, let me see, in real life
those individuals who assign worth of an idea based on the persons
identity whose idea it is, is called, in slang mind you, a "Kiss Ass"
or "Brown Noser"... you are lost without knowing the identity behind
the idea!

Not so, "John Smith". If I'm present at a town council meeting, folks
are free to state their opinions. They have faces and they give their
names. No pseudonyms are permitted and no one stands behind a velvet
drape to present his views.



Perhaps the voting system of the USA is found in fault with
you--it seems to guarantee anonymity... you seem to need a face and a
character to attack--character assassination is your forte!

You can't walk into any polling place, unregistered and vote. Your
identity is known and you've previously presented credentials which
establish your right to vote. What is not known on election day is
*how you voted*.

You don't have a face nor any identifiable character to attack and here
I am attacking your statements. Go figure!



You seem to avoid argument on only an ideas worth, resorting to
attacking thin air in an effort to confuse the unwitting... well, some
just must proceed with the handicaps the world, God and nature assigns
them, or they choose to shackle themselves with... strange though,
how
you choose to make yourself a prime example of the close minded "good
ole
boys" I mention, it almost makes me think you get the idea on some
unconscious level and act out emotionally (but in text form) on what
is
presented--strange...

Your recent rantings present wild numbers and unverified percentages of
individuals within amateur radio. You've made some unsubstantiated
claims about the ARRL and about currently licensed radio amateurs. I'm
not going to let you get by with that unchallenged. It is quite easy
to hide behind your sofa and make pathetic claims as an anonymous
writer.

Dave K8MN



John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:38:08 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:




John Smith wrote:



Len:

As long as evil exists in the world, there will always be a "John
Smith"
to oppose it--a thousand deaths and the spirit of John Smith will
live on.
This man is invincible and immortal, death is only a tunnel to the
next
life, and to pick up the fight of evil men once again!

Yep, what we need is more men who hide behind a pseudonym rather than
openly standing by their convictions. As "John Smith", you can post
your views without any personal repercussions--and you can check into
a cheap motel with some floozy.

Dave K8MN

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

Ahhhhh, I've been dismissed have I? I love the "we must carry on here".
I take it that there are several of you and that you have a plan.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...

John Smith wrote:

Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.


nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.


I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!


however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN

Dave:

I find all your points circular, "John Smith is not real", "anonymous
posters are NOT to be given credence!", "It is personalities which
matter here and NOT facts!", etc...

yawn

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:50:49 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

Ahhhhh, I've been dismissed have I? I love the "we must carry on here".
I take it that there are several of you and that you have a plan.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...

John Smith wrote:

Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.


nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.


I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!


however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

I find all your points circular, "John Smith is not real",

Circular? Hell, that's fact, "John". You're hiding behind a mask.

"anonymous
posters are NOT to be given credence!"

That is my very sincere opinion. I give you no credence, especially
after reading your rants.

, "It is personalities which
matter here and NOT facts!", etc...

You've attributed that to me but it not something I've written. You
wrote it. Go have an argument with yourself over it.

yawn

You boring yourself?

Dave K8MN

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:50:49 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

Ahhhhh, I've been dismissed have I? I love the "we must carry on here".
I take it that there are several of you and that you have a plan.

Dave K8MN


"Dave Heil" wrote in message
hlink.net...


John Smith wrote:


Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.



nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.



I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!



however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN

Dave:

Like I say, repetitive and run in a circle... krist, no wonder your posts
seems do dizzy!

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:23:20 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

I find all your points circular, "John Smith is not real",

Circular? Hell, that's fact, "John". You're hiding behind a mask.

"anonymous
posters are NOT to be given credence!"

That is my very sincere opinion. I give you no credence, especially
after reading your rants.

, "It is personalities which
matter here and NOT facts!", etc...

You've attributed that to me but it not something I've written. You
wrote it. Go have an argument with yourself over it.

yawn

You boring yourself?

Dave K8MN

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:50:49 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

Ahhhhh, I've been dismissed have I? I love the "we must carry on here".
I take it that there are several of you and that you have a plan.

Dave K8MN


"Dave Heil" wrote in message
thlink.net...


John Smith wrote:


Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.



nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.



I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!



however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN