John Smith wrote:
Dave:

Like I say, repetitive and run in a circle...

Your posts? It seems that way. You make a false statement and then
dismiss anything which runs counter to it. As an example, you have a
beef with my saying, "John Smith is not real". Well, "John", you
aren't. There's nothing circular about it.

You complain over my opinion that anonymous posters shouldn't be given
any credence. You don't provide a valid reason why anyone should give
them credence.

You tried to put words in my mouth when you wrote (and put into quotes):
"It is personalities which matter here and NOT facts!" but I didn't
write that--you did. How do you account for that?

You start with a false premise and quickly veer away or become
dismissive when someone confronts you with the falsehood.

krist, no wonder your posts
seems do dizzy!

I'm sure they seem that way to you, "John". My posts seem dizzy because
they address specific things which you've written. Yet you don't
address my points in response at all. That's the nice thing about being
an anonymous troll.

Dave K8MN

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:23:20 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

I find all your points circular, "John Smith is not real",

Circular? Hell, that's fact, "John". You're hiding behind a mask.


"anonymous
posters are NOT to be given credence!"

That is my very sincere opinion. I give you no credence, especially
after reading your rants.

, "It is personalities which

matter here and NOT facts!", etc...

You've attributed that to me but it not something I've written. You
wrote it. Go have an argument with yourself over it.


yawn

You boring yourself?

Dave K8MN


John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:50:49 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:



John Smith wrote:


Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

Ahhhhh, I've been dismissed have I? I love the "we must carry on here".
I take it that there are several of you and that you have a plan.

Dave K8MN



"Dave Heil" wrote in message
rthlink.net...



John Smith wrote:



Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.




nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.




I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!




however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Dave:

Like I say, repetitive and run in a circle...

Your posts? It seems that way. You make a false statement and then
dismiss anything which runs counter to it. As an example, you have a
beef with my saying, "John Smith is not real". Well, "John", you
aren't. There's nothing circular about it.

eniterely circlar Dave

You complain over my opinion that anonymous posters shouldn't be given
any credence. You don't provide a valid reason why anyone should give
them credence.

But you clearly give credence by going on and on that they do not have
credence

you sound like Stevie, claiming he doesn't care what his targets say
and dreicting most of his output towards them


John need not, indeed can not provide a vaild reason, each person must
do that or not do it for themselves

You tried to put words in my mouth when you wrote (and put into quotes):
"It is personalities which matter here and NOT facts!" but I didn't
write that--you did. How do you account for that?

it certainly the case you are not influenced by facts, few humans
really are, the matter is mostly one of personalities

You start with a false premise and quickly veer away or become
dismissive when someone confronts you with the falsehood.

you guys realy need to learn the difference beteween Falsehood and
simple difference of point of view

krist, no wonder your posts
seems do dizzy!

I'm sure they seem that way to you, "John". My posts seem dizzy because
they address specific things which you've written. Yet you don't

you don't have control over your world indeed no one does really merely
the ilusion of control

you come back to insiting on the same thing the right to control the
discussion, you can't, you can only influence it

address my points in response at all. That's the nice thing about being
an anonymous troll.

or simply in exercising Human choice

Dave K8MN

not entirely sure what John is up to, which is of course part of the
fun in watching

AOF:

I am sorry it seems like a mystery, what I am "up to", I am simply
observing a time in radio history like has never been before and may
never come again, at least in my lifetime... old barriers are falling, a
new influence will soon find its' way on to the amateur bands. It is
obvious to me antiquated technology dominates the ham bands, the old
timers and not accepting the new equipment and the state of the hobby lies
in stagnation... another phenomenon is that there seems to be a common
factor to most of these amateurs, they resist change--like it strikes fear
in them... certainly I am not the only one to see home this "group of old
buddies" have banded together around this "common denominator?"

I am thrilled over the prospect of new hams entering in meaningful
numbers, manufacturers taking note, and dynamic changes occurring which
returns some of the excitement back to the hobby... surely everyone
realizes that not even the manufacturers who make ham equip can get very
excited about the sales potential of new ideas, new hardware and new
software to this very small market...

.... believe it or not, I am quite excited about all of this--watching it
unfold. Seeing how a few personalities are able to influence others will
and "fool" them along on this rather bizarre rut they have been stuck in ...

I have always been a "radio loner." Have always though it ridiculous to
see the "high school feud" between hams and cb'ers. I have always
enjoyed a good cb rig.

You know what the real difference is between hams and cb'ers? About
a megacycle, a short jump from the 11 meter band to the 10 meter... about
a single footstep.

Guess that is how I escaped the trap I observe here, I never seen a wall
there. And, now with the elimination of code, I expect none to find a
wall there at all...

It really ain't no big thang, 10-fer good buddie? grin

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:14:37 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Dave:

Like I say, repetitive and run in a circle...

Your posts? It seems that way. You make a false statement and then
dismiss anything which runs counter to it. As an example, you have a
beef with my saying, "John Smith is not real". Well, "John", you
aren't. There's nothing circular about it.

eniterely circlar Dave

You complain over my opinion that anonymous posters shouldn't be given
any credence. You don't provide a valid reason why anyone should give
them credence.

But you clearly give credence by going on and on that they do not have
credence

you sound like Stevie, claiming he doesn't care what his targets say
and dreicting most of his output towards them


John need not, indeed can not provide a vaild reason, each person must
do that or not do it for themselves

You tried to put words in my mouth when you wrote (and put into quotes):
"It is personalities which matter here and NOT facts!" but I didn't
write that--you did. How do you account for that?

it certainly the case you are not influenced by facts, few humans
really are, the matter is mostly one of personalities

You start with a false premise and quickly veer away or become
dismissive when someone confronts you with the falsehood.

you guys realy need to learn the difference beteween Falsehood and
simple difference of point of view

krist, no wonder your posts
seems do dizzy!

I'm sure they seem that way to you, "John". My posts seem dizzy because
they address specific things which you've written. Yet you don't

you don't have control over your world indeed no one does really merely
the ilusion of control

you come back to insiting on the same thing the right to control the
discussion, you can't, you can only influence it

address my points in response at all. That's the nice thing about being
an anonymous troll.

or simply in exercising Human choice

Dave K8MN

not entirely sure what John is up to, which is of course part of the
fun in watching

Dave:

No dave, I dismiss your posts because there is nothing there of substance,
usually. I find them usually just be contradictory just for the sake of
contradiction, others may decide for themselves...

I don't argue what I know is fact, no sense in it, most times I would
expect googling would provide anything necessary to prove it one way or
another. Other times I suppose you would have had to have worked with the
hardware and/or software to know... when you obviously have not, yet
choose to argue something, which is obvious to me you have no clue on, I
have no choice but to end it, arguing further would be pointless, you are
free to carry on as you choose, just no longer at the expense of my time.

You may call all the names you like, hold any opinion you like, give any
opinion you hold of me, or anyone else for that matter, in the end it just
doesn't matter. You wish your opinions to matter to me--I cannot help you
there, seems like life itself would have taught you about that...

You repeat you have an issue with my anonymity, perhaps anyones, so be it,
get over it or set there and dwell upon, you don't need my company...

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:03:22 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

Like I say, repetitive and run in a circle...

Your posts? It seems that way. You make a false statement and then
dismiss anything which runs counter to it. As an example, you have a
beef with my saying, "John Smith is not real". Well, "John", you
aren't. There's nothing circular about it.

You complain over my opinion that anonymous posters shouldn't be given
any credence. You don't provide a valid reason why anyone should give
them credence.

You tried to put words in my mouth when you wrote (and put into quotes):
"It is personalities which matter here and NOT facts!" but I didn't
write that--you did. How do you account for that?

You start with a false premise and quickly veer away or become
dismissive when someone confronts you with the falsehood.

krist, no wonder your posts
seems do dizzy!

I'm sure they seem that way to you, "John". My posts seem dizzy because
they address specific things which you've written. Yet you don't
address my points in response at all. That's the nice thing about being
an anonymous troll.

Dave K8MN

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:23:20 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dave:

I find all your points circular, "John Smith is not real",

Circular? Hell, that's fact, "John". You're hiding behind a mask.


"anonymous
posters are NOT to be given credence!"

That is my very sincere opinion. I give you no credence, especially
after reading your rants.

, "It is personalities which

matter here and NOT facts!", etc...

You've attributed that to me but it not something I've written. You
wrote it. Go have an argument with yourself over it.


yawn

You boring yourself?

Dave K8MN


John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:50:49 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:



John Smith wrote:


Dave:

You "points" have meaning only to yourself, enjoy them...
Whatever you attempt to do, do it, we must carry on here, try not to get in
the way...

Ahhhhh, I've been dismissed have I? I love the "we must carry on here".
I take it that there are several of you and that you have a plan.

Dave K8MN



"Dave Heil" wrote in message
arthlink.net...



John Smith wrote:



Dave:

I don't think you much have an "idea" about anything...

I think I have a goodly number of them. I poked holes in several of your
claims--about actors with pseudonyms, about voting, about authors with pen
names. You haven't countered them. You're just veering toward something
new.




nor do I care,
your banter becomes taxing...

If you think *that's* tough, you should try reading some of your
disjointed stuff from this side.




I have not only had the chance to see the
text you post to me, but others, if I am confused about what the common
denominator to all is--well, so be it...

You can see the stuff I post in response to others? That's pretty
amazing. I can see the stuff you're posting to others too!




however, I have formed an opinion
of it, and it not anything which I need be bothered with...

Yet, you keep bothering. I like the attempt at a condescending, quick
dismissal.

Dave K8MN