From: Dan/W4NTI on Aug 18, 3:17 pm

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From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Wed, Aug 17 2005 3:47 pm
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But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.

Offense? By operating under my legal German callsign of DA2LJ, based on my
just as legal US Callsign, both based on the "Status of Forces" agreement
in place at the time does NOT constitute ANY SORT OF OFFENSE.

Tsk, tsk, TSK! Every member of the United States military is
subject to the UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE (UCMJ) anywhere
he or she is. The UCMJ OVERRIDES every other civil law
as long as they are IN the U.S. military.

That applied to YOU. That applied to Brian when he was in
active duty. That even applied to me long ago.


Dannie boy, you didn't see the big brouhaha in here on Brian
making a single comment about doing amateur ops from Somalia
and ALL the resident PCTAs in here jumping on his case? All
of those PCTA extras were ready to give Brian a necktie party
for that "offense" which all of them ruled on...

Oh yeah, now I know what your talking about. Well Lennie operation out of a
foreign country does require that countries approval. I had German
approval. So what is your problem?

The ONLY problem is the PCTA extra Double Standard. All you PCTA
doublers want to rag on NCTAs for some imaginary "offense" but
when confronted with the SAME THING applying to one of YOU, it
is un-glue time and y'all pull a hissy-fit.

Under my German Amateur Radio License I had FULL Privlidges any German
National had. That included VHF on 2m FM withing the confines of the
Federal Republic of Germany.

So...how do you relate that to the UCMJ that required you to
abide by Army regulations? Remember that you described using
your amateur HT "while standing on a command track." That
indicates you were in the field, on a field exercise for the
United States Army. United States of America. NOT the
Federal Republic of Germany ("west Germany" in 1972).

Operating a amateur radio does not come under the Uniformed Code of Military
Justice Lennie, it is controlled by the Gernam Post Office to be exact,
under the Status of Forces agreement the US had with Germany at that time.

Sweetums, it doan matter when it comes to COMMUNICATING
anything to M.I. and the JAG. COMMUNICATIONS by any means
of sensitive/classified military information is an offense
under the UCMJ.

You are spinning off on a dead end tanget Lennie.

Not at all. When IN the U.S. military, all are under the
UCMJ first...everything else is secondary.

To whom did you owe the greater loyalty to? Ham radio? The
FRG? Or to the United States of America?

My loyalties have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with operating my ham radio
anywhere or anytime.

So, as long as you are operating your ham radio, you HAVE
NO LOYALTY to anyone? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Again Lennie, its a a dead end and I'm not falling for it.

No. The UCMJ is NOT a "dead end." It applied just before
my Army service time began in 1952...it applied 20 years
later when you were in your shack-onna-track...it applies
TODAY to EVERY member of the United States military.


Hey Lennie the loser....I'm shaking in my boots.

Call the VA's nearest medical facility to ease that
trembling, Dan Disabled. They will fix you up.

All you were was a broom pushing tube puller. That once
in a while pushed a button or two.

Now, now, you are getting all ANGRY again. I was a
"soldier first, signalman second." We were all reminded
of that often...along with a yearly reading of the UCMJ
(true).

Operations and Maintenance Supervisors of Microwave
Radio Relay Systems facilities (MOS 281.6, the "0.6"
denoting the supervisor part, E-5 or higher) did
MORE than "push brooms and pull tubes." :-)

On the real side, none of us were too proud to
refrain from such routine tasks when there was a
need. Yes, we all "pulled tubes" on those 9
microwave radio relay terminals...they had over
250 vacuum tubes in each one and those didn't last
forever.

There was NO "Fulda Gap" in Japan or Korea. Jimmie
Noserve could have told you that; he is a renowned
military expert for having read so much about it.
Brain Kellie might have told you, too, but he is
having some personal problems right now on spelling
of others' names.

Take your best shot idiot.

Not necessary. I qualified Expert on personal small
arms shooting but I won't have to shoot anything.
You've already shot yourself in the foot more than
once. "No loyalty owed to anyone anywhere!" Tsk,
tsk, tsk.

non loy