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Reality, "Slippery Facts, and Myths
To all:
I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John |
John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. there may be more aliens in LA than hams 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 90% or more like 80% ? what you caling almost all myself about I guess about 80% 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. Personaly I believe they do not realize it 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. I truely hope you are right Sir I turely do 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I'd love to call you a liar on that one 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John |
AOF:
I checked out Art Bell's site, but couldn't get any figures on how many "space aliens" are residing in California, I would have loved to have made a comparison to their numbers with amateurs, as a ratio... I think that me be another story, perhaps a "gov't conspiracy" and they are obfuscating the facts... heart-felt-frown :( 80%? Eight out of ten? You think I am an alarmist if I use "almost all" to describe that kind of percentage? grin John On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:56:28 -0700, an_old_friend wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. there may be more aliens in LA than hams 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 90% or more like 80% ? what you caling almost all myself about I guess about 80% 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. Personaly I believe they do not realize it 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. I truely hope you are right Sir I turely do 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I'd love to call you a liar on that one 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John |
John Smith wrote: AOF: I checked out Art Bell's site, but couldn't get any figures on how many "space aliens" are residing in California, I would have loved to have made a comparison to their numbers with amateurs, as a ratio... I think that me be another story, perhaps a "gov't conspiracy" and they are obfuscating the facts... heart-felt-frown :( 80%? Eight out of ten? You think I am an alarmist if I use "almost all" to describe that kind of percentage? grin I do think you are an alarmist, OTOH the state of affairs does call for it but 8 of ten is my experence and 1.5 out of ten are pushing upper 50's John On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:56:28 -0700, an_old_friend wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. there may be more aliens in LA than hams 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 90% or more like 80% ? what you caling almost all myself about I guess about 80% 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. Personaly I believe they do not realize it 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. I truely hope you are right Sir I turely do 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I'd love to call you a liar on that one 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: AOF: I checked out Art Bell's site, but couldn't get any figures on how many "space aliens" are residing in California, I would have loved to have made a comparison to their numbers with amateurs, as a ratio... I think that me be another story, perhaps a "gov't conspiracy" and they are obfuscating the facts... heart-felt-frown :( 80%? Eight out of ten? You think I am an alarmist if I use "almost all" to describe that kind of percentage? grin I do think you are an alarmist, OTOH the state of affairs does call for it but 8 of ten is my experence and 1.5 out of ten are pushing upper 50's John On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:56:28 -0700, an_old_friend wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. there may be more aliens in LA than hams 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 90% or more like 80% ? what you caling almost all myself about I guess about 80% 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. Personaly I believe they do not realize it 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. I truely hope you are right Sir I turely do 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I'd love to call you a liar on that one 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John Then, tell me, HOW do they avoid ever pushing their upper 50's J |
Jerry wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: AOF: I checked out Art Bell's site, but couldn't get any figures on how many "space aliens" are residing in California, I would have loved to have made a comparison to their numbers with amateurs, as a ratio... I think that me be another story, perhaps a "gov't conspiracy" and they are obfuscating the facts... heart-felt-frown :( 80%? Eight out of ten? You think I am an alarmist if I use "almost all" to describe that kind of percentage? grin I do think you are an alarmist, OTOH the state of affairs does call for it but 8 of ten is my experence and 1.5 out of ten are pushing upper 50's John On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:56:28 -0700, an_old_friend wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. there may be more aliens in LA than hams 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 90% or more like 80% ? what you caling almost all myself about I guess about 80% 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. Personaly I believe they do not realize it 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. I truely hope you are right Sir I turely do 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I'd love to call you a liar on that one 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John Then, tell me, HOW do they avoid ever pushing their upper 50's well it can be done but the method is a bit drastic they can die, not that I am suggesting they should, Instead I'd like to see the average brought down a bit with fresh blood J |
What, in your opinion, constitutes a "old timer". How, exactly are these
"old timers" contributing to the demise of Amateur Radio? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... John |
John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. Well, let's see what ya got. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Are there more than 664,000 illegal aliens in California? If so, your belief is reasonable. The significance of that belief is another matter. 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Are there more than 664,000 unemployed in California? If so, your belief is reasonable. The significance of that belief is another matter. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. What evidence do you have? I'm 51 and have been an Extra for 35 years. I know plenty of generals and extras younger than 60 - and plenty who are older. 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. What evidence do you have? Hoe do you define "impede progress"? 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... You can believe whatever you want, John, but that doesn't make it so. There are plenty of people who think the earth isn't much more than 6000 years old, despite all the evidence to the contrary. There are plenty of people who technology can solve any problem. There are plenty of people who think that change equals progress, and so they push change regardless of whether it does any good or not. There are plenty of people who embrace simple, easy answers to complex, tough problems - because such answers usually blame some other group. |
N2EY:
That is what we are here for, the debate and weeding out the false from the true... can't all be done in a day... bring a lunch, maybe dinner, a bottle of your favorite beverage, have a sit... we are just about to start... John On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:12:33 -0700, N2EY wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. Well, let's see what ya got. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Are there more than 664,000 illegal aliens in California? If so, your belief is reasonable. The significance of that belief is another matter. 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Are there more than 664,000 unemployed in California? If so, your belief is reasonable. The significance of that belief is another matter. 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. What evidence do you have? I'm 51 and have been an Extra for 35 years. I know plenty of generals and extras younger than 60 - and plenty who are older. 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. What evidence do you have? Hoe do you define "impede progress"? 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! I am a believer... You can believe whatever you want, John, but that doesn't make it so. There are plenty of people who think the earth isn't much more than 6000 years old, despite all the evidence to the contrary. There are plenty of people who technology can solve any problem. There are plenty of people who think that change equals progress, and so they push change regardless of whether it does any good or not. There are plenty of people who embrace simple, easy answers to complex, tough problems - because such answers usually blame some other group. |
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John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. There are more people in prisons in the United States than licensed Amateurs, however I fail to see the relevence to that, too. Shall we allow those illegals to obtain Amateur licenses much the same as some states are considering allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses, public assistance, etc? Perhaps we should go ahead and start putting repeater ID's up in Spanish? 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Maybe if we got the unelmployed to spend some of their idle time getting an Amateur license those numbers would shift??? 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. Hmmmmmmmm...I know of a COUPLE Extras who are over 60, but almost everyone I know (myself included, obviously) are well under 60. Of course those numbers change drastically depending on local demographics. I am sure that there are more 60+ Extras in Miami than Nashville, for example! 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. I believe this is an inaccurate assessment. The simple fact that FEMA and it's agents are pumping millions of dollars INTO Amateur Radio training programs and providing Amateur Radio facilities at it's comm centers alone disproves the assertion. 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. Judging on the capabilites of "modern" Amateur gear (ie: Icom IC-756ProIII, etc) I'd say this is yet another inaccuate assessment. Just picking up even one of the most basic 2 meter HT's and comparing what they can do as opposed to thier forebearers demonstrates that the move continues to be a forward one. And if the manufacturers considered us so minute, why do the manufacturers continue to "retool" and aggressively offer even newer devices with expanded options and functionality? That retooling costs money, and those expenditures must be justified to stockholders. Obviously someone thinks the expenditure is worth the return. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. We have always been in a state of flux. As a matter of fact, I think some of the biggest fluxers I have ever known are fight here in this forum! 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I refer back to my comments under Item #4 and #5. The investments of trust and money by government, public and private agencies and manufacturers doesn't support your contention. Just because there aren't as many HT's hanging from beltloops as cellphones does not negate our functionality or "worthiness". 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! If you read some of the Amateur journals from 20, 30, even 40 years ago there have been doom-sayers and gloomers throughout. I say that Amateur Radio today is NOT Amateur Radio of 10 years ago, let alone of the 30's as suggested by one rather poorly informed participant of this forum. Nor will the Amateur Radio of 2005 resemble anything like what our kids or their kids will experience, assuming the commercial concerns don't get their way with our allocations. I am a believer... Ditto. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ:
Yes. You are saying exactly what I am pointing out is at fault. A handful of hams have formed a protectionist group to keep amateur licenses to a minimum. They are quite content with the extreme low numbers of licensees. Their arguments will all revolve around an argument that, "A handful of hams is quite sufficient." They have chanted this insane mantra until it actually rings with the sound of truth in their own ears, it is only those outside this protectionist group, and those amateurs able to view this all in a "third person" frame of mind which see the real reality. And, of course, now the FCC has seen the light and pulled back the covers on what has been "the elephant in the china closet" for many decades. However, with these dismally small numbers, protectionist amateurs are attempting to argue the bands are crowded--this we disagree on, vehemently! Arguments are even posed that the relatively small numbers of hams contesting nearly brings the bands to halt, from traffic and pileups, again we disagree on this point. It is obvious, because of the above--and more, the protectionist/self-serving amateurs are arguing against new licensees, we vehemently disagree here also. I think it quite apparent, we need drastic change and quickly. Old amateurs are going to squeal like fat hams (pun intended) over losing their closed little club which has been being ran at their selfish expense to american citizens. No one likes change but a baby with a wet diaper... John On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:26:55 -0700, K4YZ wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. There are more people in prisons in the United States than licensed Amateurs, however I fail to see the relevence to that, too. Shall we allow those illegals to obtain Amateur licenses much the same as some states are considering allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses, public assistance, etc? Perhaps we should go ahead and start putting repeater ID's up in Spanish? 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Maybe if we got the unelmployed to spend some of their idle time getting an Amateur license those numbers would shift??? 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. Hmmmmmmmm...I know of a COUPLE Extras who are over 60, but almost everyone I know (myself included, obviously) are well under 60. Of course those numbers change drastically depending on local demographics. I am sure that there are more 60+ Extras in Miami than Nashville, for example! 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. I believe this is an inaccurate assessment. The simple fact that FEMA and it's agents are pumping millions of dollars INTO Amateur Radio training programs and providing Amateur Radio facilities at it's comm centers alone disproves the assertion. 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. Judging on the capabilites of "modern" Amateur gear (ie: Icom IC-756ProIII, etc) I'd say this is yet another inaccuate assessment. Just picking up even one of the most basic 2 meter HT's and comparing what they can do as opposed to thier forebearers demonstrates that the move continues to be a forward one. And if the manufacturers considered us so minute, why do the manufacturers continue to "retool" and aggressively offer even newer devices with expanded options and functionality? That retooling costs money, and those expenditures must be justified to stockholders. Obviously someone thinks the expenditure is worth the return. 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. We have always been in a state of flux. As a matter of fact, I think some of the biggest fluxers I have ever known are fight here in this forum! 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I refer back to my comments under Item #4 and #5. The investments of trust and money by government, public and private agencies and manufacturers doesn't support your contention. Just because there aren't as many HT's hanging from beltloops as cellphones does not negate our functionality or "worthiness". 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! If you read some of the Amateur journals from 20, 30, even 40 years ago there have been doom-sayers and gloomers throughout. I say that Amateur Radio today is NOT Amateur Radio of 10 years ago, let alone of the 30's as suggested by one rather poorly informed participant of this forum. Nor will the Amateur Radio of 2005 resemble anything like what our kids or their kids will experience, assuming the commercial concerns don't get their way with our allocations. I am a believer... Ditto. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote:
There are more people in prisons in the United States than licensed Amateurs, however I fail to see the relevence to that, too. There isn't any relevence in anything non-licensed JS says. |
K4YZ wrote: John Smith wrote: To all: I do have opinions, I do believe I try to form correct ones. I believe I change, adapt and re-think these opinions--and frequently, if there exists proof to the contrary of these beliefs--I would be an IDIOT not to change them, and men of sound sanity and judgement will be the judges. And, what is true today may change, it may not be true forever--I would like to keep in step with my beliefs. However, somethings I believe a 1) There are more illegal aliens in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. There are more people in prisons in the United States than licensed Amateurs, however I fail to see the relevence to that, too. of course you do Shall we allow those illegals to obtain Amateur licenses much the same as some states are considering allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses, public assistance, etc? Perhaps we should go ahead and start putting repeater ID's up in Spanish? and here we see your paranoia, always seeing a "plot" to give away licenses OTOH I see nothing wrong with them having Ham licenses is otherwise qualified, after if they got "back home" many of them could operate legaly here, what is realy gained by excluding them and you mean there is nowhere that they don't put repeater id also in spanish, that would be suprising 2) I believe there are more unemployed in the state of California, alone, than there are LICENSED amateurs in the whole united states. Maybe if we got the unelmployed to spend some of their idle time getting an Amateur license those numbers would shift??? as yes the unlmployed are all idle not doubt to stevie lazy too 3) I believe almost ALL generals and extras are sixty years of age and above. Hmmmmmmmm...I know of a COUPLE Extras who are over 60, but almost everyone I know (myself included, obviously) are well under 60. Of course those numbers change drastically depending on local demographics. I am sure that there are more 60+ Extras in Miami than Nashville, for example! 4) I believe amateur has become a group of self-serving old men of yesteryear and they impede progress, I am unclear if they realize they are doing this, or the extent which others see them as doing that. I believe this is an inaccurate assessment. The simple fact that FEMA and it's agents are pumping millions of dollars INTO Amateur Radio training programs and providing Amateur Radio facilities at it's comm centers alone disproves the assertion. not at all the Us govt spend million studing the mating habits of fruit flies mere federal funding is NO proof of merit 5) I believe MOST amateur gear is outdated, uses technology from yesteryear and manufacturers see hams as a minute group in regards to sales and expendature on research and development and retooling. Judging on the capabilites of "modern" Amateur gear (ie: Icom IC-756ProIII, etc) I'd say this is yet another inaccuate assessment. Just picking up even one of the most basic 2 meter HT's and comparing what they can do as opposed to thier forebearers demonstrates that the move continues to be a forward one. which doesn't mean they are not outdated tech etc And if the manufacturers considered us so minute, why do the manufacturers continue to "retool" and aggressively offer even newer devices with expanded options and functionality? That retooling costs money, and those expenditures must be justified to stockholders. Obviously someone thinks the expenditure is worth the return. because they HAVE to retool etc, or we'd stop buying radios worth the return and a big part of the sense are different things Stevie but you don't think very well 6) I believe, right now as I type this, that this is all in the first stages of a massive change. We have always been in a state of flux. As a matter of fact, I think some of the biggest fluxers I have ever known are fight here in this forum! 7) I believe amateur are a "Non-Issue" purely from these dismal numbers. I refer back to my comments under Item #4 and #5. The investments of trust and money by government, public and private agencies and manufacturers doesn't support your contention. your "logic" is flawed at best Just because there aren't as many HT's hanging from beltloops as cellphones does not negate our functionality or "worthiness". no such statement was made indeed nowhere has John said we were worthless or nonfucntional, merely that both could be VASTY improved your statement is part the process you often use of slowing distorting statements and adressing you coment to the distortion 8) I believe much more, and it all points in the direction of the above--amateur radio will change/adapt or die, and the oldsters would have it die--either out of disability, ignorance or design, but the effect would be the same--and I believe even as I type this a few move towards the other direction, and a new day for amateur radio--I believe the truly great men in amateur radio died when the old guy who assisted me in getting tickets died, and I believe he would have been man enough to have stood up to the plate and called a spade, a SPADE! If you read some of the Amateur journals from 20, 30, even 40 years ago there have been doom-sayers and gloomers throughout. I say that Amateur Radio today is NOT Amateur Radio of 10 years ago, let alone of the 30's as suggested by one rather poorly informed participant of this forum. Nor will the Amateur Radio of 2005 resemble anything like what our kids or their kids will experience, assuming the commercial concerns don't get their way with our allocations. I am a believer... Ditto. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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