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Let me give a summary of the "real world." If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer. In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc.... By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware project would most likely be computer related. Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up... John On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:27:42 -0700, Polymath wrote: Perhaps even "KB9RQZ" is a CB call sign? an_old_friend wrote: Polymath wrote: If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that I warn against. It is fictional as is your charge Perhaps the horse has already bolted? |
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John Smith wrote:
Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up... Fabulously put. -- huLLy Mobile phone 07976 123278 ICQ 136-987-925 |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news PM: Let me give a summary of the "real world." If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer. In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc.... By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware project would most likely be computer related. Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up... John The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets, etc. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee:
You know you have won a soft-spot in my heart now, and I always wanna "take-the-gloves-off" when replying to your posts, and I would, except you would take it as an insult and never forgive me... Yes, there are people like that in the world. Indeed, the top of the bell-curve are those with an IQ of 100-110 (barely intelligent enough not to drool on their work.) If your company/corp is interning them, you really should look for a position elsewhere, but you knew that... John On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:04:16 -0400, Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message news PM: Let me give a summary of the "real world." If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer. In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc.... By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware project would most likely be computer related. Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up... John The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets, etc. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:04:16 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:
The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets, etc. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE BINGO! As Jim would say. With just a rough guess, I am surrounded by approx. 70 or so people that would know me well enough to be inclined to call for computer help. Of those, probably 50 percent are less than 35. Of those, none are really what I would call "intermediate" users of the computer. Some are above average (average being relative to the overall community of people I am exposed to concerning computer users), but certainly not self-sufficient on computer-ese. I consider myself a very average computer user. I used to be right there with technology, keeping up, etc. But, it's been about 30 years and I am just wanting to get through each day on mine at work now...LOL At any rate, as you mention above, Dee, I am still their immediate computer consultant for my workgroup on spreadsheets, all the MS Office stuff, email, attaching documents, finding things on their machines, cruising our network, etc. I am happy to do it for them and I don't think of them with the disdain that some seem to. I don't measure one's value by their efficacy on a computer. I got my husband started in the computer world about 10 years ago. He's way surpassed me now and I just ask him...LOL Kim W5TIT |
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Kim:
I am inclined to agree with you, and yes, it is a shame companies are sometimes forced to take inferior employees because they fail to meet the pay scale the most capable demand. There have been moves to go that way in my area of employment--however, this seems to becoming a moot point as design and production slips off shore. With less and less people paying into SSI, or paying less into SSI because of slipping salaries, jobs disappearing--wonder if the oldsters ever sweat losing their benefits? There may not be any by the time we get there or our children, a crime really. However, we should be careful, or we will look like this self-serving bunch here who thinks themselves very special just because they possess a hobby license and have their picture taken in front of a radio. I shudder to think of how I would look walking around draped in the clothing of false vanity... Other skills besides computers are very valuable... John On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:41:28 +0000, Kim wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:04:16 -0400, Dee Flint wrote: The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets, etc. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE BINGO! As Jim would say. With just a rough guess, I am surrounded by approx. 70 or so people that would know me well enough to be inclined to call for computer help. Of those, probably 50 percent are less than 35. Of those, none are really what I would call "intermediate" users of the computer. Some are above average (average being relative to the overall community of people I am exposed to concerning computer users), but certainly not self-sufficient on computer-ese. I consider myself a very average computer user. I used to be right there with technology, keeping up, etc. But, it's been about 30 years and I am just wanting to get through each day on mine at work now...LOL At any rate, as you mention above, Dee, I am still their immediate computer consultant for my workgroup on spreadsheets, all the MS Office stuff, email, attaching documents, finding things on their machines, cruising our network, etc. I am happy to do it for them and I don't think of them with the disdain that some seem to. I don't measure one's value by their efficacy on a computer. I got my husband started in the computer world about 10 years ago. He's way surpassed me now and I just ask him...LOL Kim W5TIT |
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The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now
they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. =========================== From the above comments it is clear that the writer has no idea what's going on in the Linux World ; with its many volunteer developers /testers , many being from the younger generation . Ever been to a Linux or Robotics or Hackers Fest ? Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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"Highland Ham" wrote in message ... The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. =========================== From the above comments it is clear that the writer has no idea what's going on in the Linux World ; with its many volunteer developers /testers , many being from the younger generation . Ever been to a Linux or Robotics or Hackers Fest ? Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH A. They don't have those fests here B. Didn't say no one is doing these things just that their heyday has come and gone. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message news PM: Let me give a summary of the "real world." If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer. In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc.... By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware project would most likely be computer related. Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up... John The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets, etc. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Absolutely. 25 or 30 years ago it was true. Then I could ask an exam question which required writing an ISR in assembly, or even object. Now, forget it! Such questions would never be allowed because the students wouldn't understand the question. My grandkids live for the computer. the blackberry, cellphone and their gadgets, but have no idea what goes on behind the screen, despite the fact that their mother is a specialist in advanced secure systems. The kid who used to cut my grass thinks he is a programmer because he can copy a script from the internet - but say things like "object", "hex", "bus" and this teenage expert looks at me llike I have one eye in the middle of my forehead. If I want to talk to people who build hardware, write efficient imaginative software, and can actually do hex math I go to the QCWA breakfast; where someone always has a new piece of homebrew microwave hardware or some neat little Unix trick to show off. The last QCWA convention I attended had fascinating discussions on cell phone hacking, unix programming, software defined radio along with the old standards of antennas, propagation, etc. Yes, I'm an old fart who can hand key 25wpm (but doesn't anymmore because e-mail is easier, not faster), use the net, write assembly programs and even use a soldering iron. I even have some idea how the telephone system works and made phone calls from my HT before the cell phone was invented. And I certainly do not rank myself anywhere near the experimenters and explorers in Ham Radio; I'm not that talented. Dave VE3HLU |
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Dave:
No one is denying you the right to your religion of "amateur worship", we all need some high power to look up to. But, you must realize you are in a church which has a very small following (mostly other hams, and NOT all of them!) Fact is, the computer is a TV with a tv card inserted--a stereo system with a high quality audio card, tuner card inserted--a cd music player with cd and proper software--a dvd player with a dvd-cd and proper software--a home security system with the proper card and related software and backup-power supply--and soon to be an amateur rig with proper receiver card and xmitter card (some are already there!) Fact is, the computer IS amateurs future--like it or not... only reason the future is not here right now, old amateurs can't adapt and die first... and serve as a hindrance to the new minds bringing the future with them... John On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:20:06 -0400, Dave Holford wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message news PM: Let me give a summary of the "real world." If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer. In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc.... By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware project would most likely be computer related. Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up... John The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming. Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts" that you seem to despise so. I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets, etc. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Absolutely. 25 or 30 years ago it was true. Then I could ask an exam question which required writing an ISR in assembly, or even object. Now, forget it! Such questions would never be allowed because the students wouldn't understand the question. My grandkids live for the computer. the blackberry, cellphone and their gadgets, but have no idea what goes on behind the screen, despite the fact that their mother is a specialist in advanced secure systems. The kid who used to cut my grass thinks he is a programmer because he can copy a script from the internet - but say things like "object", "hex", "bus" and this teenage expert looks at me llike I have one eye in the middle of my forehead. If I want to talk to people who build hardware, write efficient imaginative software, and can actually do hex math I go to the QCWA breakfast; where someone always has a new piece of homebrew microwave hardware or some neat little Unix trick to show off. The last QCWA convention I attended had fascinating discussions on cell phone hacking, unix programming, software defined radio along with the old standards of antennas, propagation, etc. Yes, I'm an old fart who can hand key 25wpm (but doesn't anymmore because e-mail is easier, not faster), use the net, write assembly programs and even use a soldering iron. I even have some idea how the telephone system works and made phone calls from my HT before the cell phone was invented. And I certainly do not rank myself anywhere near the experimenters and explorers in Ham Radio; I'm not that talented. Dave VE3HLU |
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