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August 21st 05, 09:19 PM
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From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:37 am
On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm my suspicions. You are quite right in your suspicions, Frank. You will note that Robeson, when challenged, will immediately go into deliberate misdirection with his hyena laughter or the accusations of some sort of personal perfidy. It's almost SOP for him. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, Even more than you might expect. :-) so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! I call it like I see it. We all do. :-) snip BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. :-( I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. Earlier on, Robeson tried to avoid naming anything by stating "he couldn't give away any secrets." A rather stupid remark in iteself since the NAMES of radio-electronics equipment has NOT been secret, has been published in Defense Electronics trade magazine, been on the various branches' procurement IFBs (Invitation For Bid), government reports, and so forth. Their names, general function, all have been on public documents for a half century. Brochures and pamphlets have been released for publication about many forms of communications, done by military units themselves...one of which is the main part of: http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...phabetsoup.pdf Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. Only an eighth of a million of those two types were produced. He couldn't recall a single airborne radio name, not even the venerable AN/ARC-27 (before his time, really) or the (after his time) AN/ARC-210. He didn't know the SINCGARS family of all-service small-unit radios even though a quarter million sets were produced between 1989 and 2004. Radios. Military radios. "Not known" by someone who had been in the Corps for 18 years, claiming to be "in" radio communications? Highly unlikely. None of the "military radio experience" posters in here knew the military designation of the Collins KWM-2 transceiver, often used in MARS operations in Vietnam. A ham, an Extra, who isn't familiar with Collins Radios? Highly unlikely. In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years, "due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities. [that's in Google archives] Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile actions." First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned, wherever commanded. Only one out of about seven military land forces, Army or Marines, are IN any combat zone or actual fighting territory during a "hostile action." Second, Robeson has NEVER DEFINED HIS "hostile action" in any specifics as to WHEN and WHERE. He has glossed it over in generalities "explaining" that he "knows it and need not explain it to us." He usually remarks that HE has the "documentation" for it but it remains unseen by the rest of us. He postures and preens, implies greatness but without details. In other words, BS. A classic case of Robeson's word-twisting is his "dishonoring" charge that I "embellish my military career" by honoring the 19 members of my Signal Battalion killed in a transport crash on 1 July 1950, three years before I was assigned to that Battalion. "My" battalion lost 4 more afterwards. I have a list of all those names, even their ASNs (Army Serial Numbers) and honor them especially every Memorial Day when I join other veterans in Memorial Day ceremonies, even for simple things like putting flags on their gravesites. That sort of word- twisting has become common to Robeson's postings in here, an extreme sensitivity (or volatility) to anything negative against his words spat out in a flurry of personal insults. Take his use of the word "Putz" above his message signatures. He isn't of a Yiddish ethnic group, isn't a Jew, yet he uses a Yiddish pejorative freely as if he were. [as a pejorative it means "penis head" in reference to one who can only think with his penis] That four-letter word is "acceptible" yet if another poster is quoted using four-letter words they are octothorped-out (the octothorpe or # symbol replacing the letters). This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-) Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that material). Using such things is also easy enough to do...in generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very short on specifics. Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms. He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps. He uses phrases like "pilot in command" of a general aviation single-engine aircraft like he was the commander of a 747. :-) He gets what he probably wanted all the time - ATTENTION. He manages to cuss out every one of his opponents in any thread, turning that thread into a running battle of Stebie FIGHTS The World...heaping abuse on his "opponents" as if his life depends on it. Maybe it does. TEM fry |
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August 22nd 05, 12:50 AM
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August 22nd 05, 02:31 AM
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On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. snip No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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August 22nd 05, 04:33 AM
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Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records clerk at HQMC. You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't used them. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. Hardly. I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN. So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having served. That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? Sounds like Lennie's arguments. No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete? It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. Thankfully I never had to do that. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. Sounds very Clancyesque. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. Steve, K4YZ |
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August 22nd 05, 05:42 AM
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KY4Z wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to act I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. Not realy another lie on your part because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. and when you going to apolize? And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records clerk at HQMC. You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't used them. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. Hardly. I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN. So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having served. That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? It is curious however with your back ground that you don't Sounds like Lennie's arguments. No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete? It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. Thankfully I never had to do that. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. Sounds very Clancyesque. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Real marines do wether that has anything to do with you is another matter In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. Yep more Stevies lies As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. Not realy without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify much of anything, esp with a name like yours You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone else As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Why should he? This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Such Parania Stevie Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. Steve, KY4Z |
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August 22nd 05, 04:12 PM
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an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to act I have. That they don't move at the speed-of-light is evident. I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. Not realy another lie on your part Nope. More than enough...Name, grade, DOB, even gave "Frank" my last two promotion board dates...Still finds excuses to "dismiss" those resources. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. and when you going to apolize? "apolize"...?!?! I said "excuse me", Markie. Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? It is curious however with your back ground that you don't Why? What bit of knowledge about the nomenclature of avionics systems that were developed before I reached puberty and were antiquated before I got on Active Duty could be of the least bit of interest, other than to give Lennie some tidbit to make weeks-long rants out of...?!? So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Real marines do "Marines" is capitalized, Markie. And yes, I was a "real" Marine. wether that has anything to do with you is another matter So you think. In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. Yep more Stevies lies Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. Not realy Yes, "realy". without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify much of anything, esp with a name like yours At one time there were no more than 3 Robeson's on active duty in the USMC. Myself, one who was an ATC in Yuma, and the other fellow who was African American. Only one of us named Steve. You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone else Uh huh...righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht. This is why I do not offer any MORE information than what I have. Even when I DO provide some irrefuteable third party source, there's some cowardly excuse as to why it's not "valid". As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different I did. You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS "advance a "callsign"...?!?! "expect on MARS"...?!?! If what you MEANT to say that I provided ALL of my callsigns in various MARS programs at one time or another to verify that I HAD been an ACTIVE and PARTICIPATING member, you'd be correct. No where, in ANY post have I EVER suggested I was an "expert" (I assume that s what you meant) on the MARS program. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Why should he? He says he's a Marine. Why wouldn't he? This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Such Parania Stevie "paranoia", Markie. And no, just an observation. Steve, K4YZ |
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August 22nd 05, 05:40 PM
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KY4Z wrote: an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to act I have. That they don't move at the speed-of-light is evident. 11 days sure right they are playing with me and the safety of the public why don't you admit your lie? It is easier that way I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. Not realy another lie on your part Nope. not realy More than enough...Name, grade, DOB, even gave "Frank" my last two promotion board dates...Still finds excuses to "dismiss" those resources. becuase they are not proof that any of it has anything to do with YOU because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. and when you going to apolize? "apolize"...?!?! I said "excuse me", Markie. no apology there Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? It is curious however with your back ground that you don't Why? because it tends to show you a liar as has been said many times before Why do you need everything repeated over and over again cuting more evasion So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Real marines do "Marines" is capitalized, Markie. weall know you can play at speeling cop And yes, I was a "real" Marine. but not an honest one wether that has anything to do with you is another matter So you think. of course I do. at one point you were goign on about a sniper now an avoincs tech indeed I have to wonder if either has any truth In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. Yep more Stevies lies Nope. You are the one that tried to demand respect becuase you were a marine You made it an issue and then you start telling lies As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. Not realy Yes, "realy". without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify much of anything, esp with a name like yours At one time there were no more than 3 Robeson's on active duty in the USMC. Myself, one who was an ATC in Yuma, and the other fellow who was African American. Only one of us named Steve. none of whish proves you are the Steve We have inf act no proof you are Steve as opposed to James You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone else Uh huh...righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht. This is why I do not offer any MORE information than what I have. Even when I DO provide some irrefuteable third party source, there's some cowardly excuse as to why it's not "valid". You have never provided irrefutable proof In cliaiming you have you are either lying or showing you don't know the meaning of the word "Proof" As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different I did. You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS "advance a "callsign"...?!?! "expect on MARS"...?!?! If what you MEANT to say that I provided ALL of my callsigns in various MARS programs at one time or another to verify that I HAD been an ACTIVE and PARTICIPATING member, you'd be correct. and the callsgins prove nothing of the kind they prove you might have been an active member No where, in ANY post have I EVER suggested I was an "expert" (I assume that s what you meant) on the MARS program. Bull**** I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Why should he? He says he's a Marine. Why wouldn't he? avoiding the question. it was and remains "why should he?" why should he play your games? This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Such Parania Stevie "paranoia", Markie. And no, just an observation. paranoia like when you accused me of hiring him Steve, KY4Z |
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On 21 Aug 2005 20:33:22 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. I see you haven't yet read my other reply. I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. You have provided nothing to me except vague generalizations. No verifiable details at all. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. Wrong again: ++++++++++ On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote in : On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in s.com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? ++++++++++++ That's three times you have misrepresented my statements. If you are going to mount a defensive argument then at least stick to the facts. Otherwise you are just validating everything others here are saying about you. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? Quite a few. Back when I was active, the three batallions of the 8th regiment were rotated into the 22nd and 24th MAUs. I was deployed with the 24th MAU on The USS Nassau. This ship is an LHA -- basically it's a small aircraft carrier with a massive well deck. It can accomodate a lot of different aircraft including the Cobra, Huey, CH-46, CH-53, OV-10 and Harrier. Being a Marine in the avionics field you should have already known this. In fact, if you -were- USMC for 18 years it's more than likey that you would had served aboard an LHA or a similar amphibious assault ship. Either way you would have known of both their existence and their capabilities. Or was that just a rhetorical question? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. Why? I was just responding the same way you respond to other people in this group. You're the spelling cop, aren't you? And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records clerk at HQMC. You HAVE alleged to have these resources, Yet another misrepresentation. yet obviously haven't used them. The DOD records are available at www.military.com. There was indeed a Steve Robeson, USMC, E-7, and in avionics. But you have yet to prove that you are him. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. Hardly. I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than enough. ......uh, where? You have a jillion or so posts on Google. I'm not going to spend a month reading through all your flame wars just to find out a couple tidbits that you can simply retype. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN. Did I ask for it? So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having served. That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent. You're still missing the big picture, Steve. See my other post. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? For the same reason that declaring your career in the USMC was neessary [sic]..... it's not. But you made the claim so back it up. Sounds like Lennie's arguments. If that was intended to somehow discredit the validity of the argument, well, it didn't. Facts are facts regardless of the source. No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete? Depends on the concrete. Hit a weak spot and it makes a big ****ing hole that you can walk through. Hit some of that steel-reinforced high-grade stuff and it just skins the surface down to the rebar. You could see both on the South wall. It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. Thankfully I never had to do that. That much I figured out already. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. Sounds very Clancyesque. No, it's very horrific. And I'm not suprised that you equate war with popular fiction -- most civilians do. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Ah yes, the scullery! Lot's of action there, but nobody shooting at you. Maybe working the butts at the rifle range.... now -there's- something that fits your definition of "hostile action". So you qualified seven times in 18 years..... that's about right. In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. I have never said, or even suggested, that Ollie has anything to do with my resources. You are trying to connect the dots into a picture that doesn't exist. As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. More excuses. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Let's check to see what the FACTS are, shall we? ++++++++++ On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:20:30 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote in : On 15 Aug 2005 01:08:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in s.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine..... Really? What units and when? "Braggard" "alleged" Nothing "braggard about being a Marine, Markie. Frank, E-mail me directly if you care to. I'd be gald to tell you directly. Either you were a Marine or you weren't. Why the secrecy? Did you serve under Colonel Vinson at Ft. Gordon or something? +++++++++ Looks to me like I did NOT snip that part of your post; in fact, I even REPLIED to it. You, however, did -not- reply. Regardless, I will snip no more messages if that makes you happy. And there's nothing that prevented you from e-mailing me first. This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. ......uh-oh, here come the paranoia police! Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", Who said my references were "impeccable"? Not me. I wasn't exactly the 'model Marine'. Heck, I was suprised when they promoted me back to PFC (for the third time) just a month before I was discharged. Enough with your misrepresentations, Steve. yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Sure I do. Wanna hear what I have to say about the service in general or about the few cronies that screw it up? Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating, changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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August 22nd 05, 03:35 PM
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Frank Gilliland wrote: Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating, changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave. Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"... It just makes the LennieRants more colorful. Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information, yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"... Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty without giving you my SSAN to do it with. You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette yet try and "dis" my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV of my service here. You were in an AAV unit so of course you know EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years ago. LenniePhantom. Steve, K4YZ |
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August 22nd 05, 09:03 PM
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From: "K4YZ" on Sun 21 Aug 2005 20:33
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in wrote: You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. "...insinuations of intimacy with..."? :-) As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. Tsk, tsk, tsk. We all "must" accept Stebie's "word" on HIS service, yet all he can do is shout "call the VA!" :-) "It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is..." if its against what Stebie said or if Stebie no like it, it is a "LIE." :-) Poor Stebie...he can't stand up to scrutiny and his "respone" is to heap abuse on the personals of his challengers. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making with a Confidence Game piece of BS. This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. "...close relationship?!?" :-) Anyone can "research headers" and find the ISP of a poster, and that's about IT. :-) Sorry, little Stebie, but nobody has hacked the IEEE website for the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers professional association. I may be the only one with that "header origin." I have NO "relationship" with Frank, with Mark or with Brian Burke, or Todd, don't know them personally, haven't met them, don't even live close to them (don't know where Frank lives, but that is irrelevant). WE all SHARE a feeling that all you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Tell us how the USMC "career" of Stebie Robeson "affects amateur radio policy?" :-) Tell us how the Civil Air Patrol "pilot in command" experience relates to amateur radio policy? :-) Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. Poor baby, feeling worried are you? YOU just POST some verifiable REAL claims to your statements in order to be believed. So far all you've done is shout "call the VA!" [the VA will NOT divulge details unless one is a family member or a reputable, verifiable personnel department of a company or a verifiable agent of a police force] You could digitize your DD214 and have it available for private e-mail (this newsgroup doesn't carry binaries) to PROVE your military release from active duty. It's only one page long. But, you won't, claiming some "personal outrage" at having to do such a thing! Oh, my. We are all supposed to BELIEVE you, right? While everyone else not believing you LIES?" :-) con gam |
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