On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

snip
....."armor guys"?

Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next
to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier
collar.


I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's
interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I
looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering
all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the
overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower
room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave.


snip
My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of
1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery
Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my
precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with
the previous years promotions.


What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files
only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown.
That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same
name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest. Like
when someone writes me a check and I go to their bank to cash it. I
stand there with a camera in my face while they ask me for two pieces
of ID and a thumbprint. One day I asked them how they can verify that
I'm the same Frank Gilliland to whom the check was written (since
there are at least three of us in this town). After a Bush-long pause
the teller finally admitted that he couldn't make that distinction.

Duh.


And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP)

No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis".


Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts.


I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing
relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic
liars.


yada, yada, yada.


BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's
a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms,
active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"?

Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to
keep from looking like a fool, Frank.

But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to
give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so.


And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I
alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't
understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't
expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your
story.






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

snip
....."armor guys"?

Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next
to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier
collar.


I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's
interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I
looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering
all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the
overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower
room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave.

Very colorful.

snip
My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of
1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery
Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my
precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with
the previous years promotions.


What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files
only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown.
That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same
name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest.

Uh huh...Two "Steven J Robeson"...With the exact same DOB...?!?!

Right.....................

Snip

And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP)

No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis".

Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts.

I already have. You simply wish to argue.

LenniePhantom

I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing
relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic
liars.

yada, yada, yada.

Guess you don't like having it thrown back at you...especially
when there's nothing in your defense you can say about it.

And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to
give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so.

And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I
alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't
understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't
expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your
story.

I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.

Again...colorful. Clancyesque.

That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.

Steve, K4YZ

On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

snip
....."armor guys"?

Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next
to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier
collar.


I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's
interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I
looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering
all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the
overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower
room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave.

Very colorful.


Thank you. My minor was Communications so I took a few lit classes. My
favorite is Pynchon. Clancy, IMO, is the Danielle Steele of action
novels -- i.e, his stuff is mental popcorn. If you want to break into
fiction that is at least readable (barely) try some early Dean Koontz.


snip
My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of
1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery
Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my
precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with
the previous years promotions.


What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files
only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown.
That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same
name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest.

Uh huh...Two "Steven J Robeson"...With the exact same DOB...?!?!

Right.....................


I guess I have to spell it out for you: There's no proof that you are
him. In fact, there's a good possibility that you are one of his
deadbeat offspring; i.e, little Stevie Junior, the jobless mutant
child coddled by mommy and living in the basement. Assuming you really
-are- who you claim, you sure are setting a -=BAD=- example of the
discipline both required and expected of a retired Marine Gunny of 18
years (which is bull**** in and of itself) by wasting so much time
engaging in flame wars on Usenet. I can get away with it because I was
a ****bird..... but you? Heck, if I was USMC retired and behaving the
way you do I'd go outside and kick my -own- ass out of respect for the
Corps. And -THAT'S- what Semper Fidelis means, Steve.


Snip


And there you go snipping again, right after whining about being
snipped.


And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP)

No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis".

Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts.

I already have. You simply wish to argue.

LenniePhantom


STOP....hey, what's that sound?


I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing
relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic
liars.

yada, yada, yada.

Guess you don't like having it thrown back at you...especially
when there's nothing in your defense you can say about it.


See below.


And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to
give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so.

And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I
alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't
understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't
expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your
story.

I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.


And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

You had several chances, "Steve"..... you flunked.

And BTW, the info above isn't much of a secret since Time magazine put
a picture of a KY-57 on the front cover back in '83 -- nice pic of a
Beirut Marine next to a jeep with a VRC-12.


Again...colorful. Clancyesque.


You and fiction seem to get along quite well.


That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.


Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

please don't hold your breath








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On 22 Aug 2005 19:59:04 -0700, "an_old_friend"
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
massive cut

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

please don't hold your breath


I won't. My guess is that he'll fabricate more lame excuses and/or
whine a lot. That tactic might work with his mommy but not with me.








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From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 22, 7:44 pm

On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in



I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.

And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

You had several chances, "Steve"..... you flunked.

Flunked badly enough to be terminated without prejudice.

I loved that "Colonel Vinson" sentence of yours and was getting
tired waiting for Stebie's bluffing reply to show up. :-)
Stebie was bluffing along, trying to take advantage of so very
few in here knowing anything about military electronics or
practices.

He's failed to respond to "KIR" and "KIT" that I mentioned a few
years ago...apparently NOT knowing that they set the codes for
the common IFF transponder on nearly all military aircraft.

And BTW, the info above isn't much of a secret since Time magazine put
a picture of a KY-57 on the front cover back in '83 -- nice pic of a
Beirut Marine next to a jeep with a VRC-12.

VERY little of the outside of those "K" boxes have been "secret"
nor have the names. Some of the insides are, obviously, but
not names or contract numbers for production nor contract monies
for those contracts. All public knowledge.

Back around 1996 (?) the Army released for PUBLIC DISSEMINATION
the "catalog" of land-forces Signal equipment, FM 24-24. It is
open for public viewing at the Army's Training and Doctrine
Command Digital Library. At least two ham websites have links
to those PDF chapters for free downloads. Nearly ALL signal
equipment is described in there with pictures and all that. :-)

Nowadays, though, COMSEC is being built-in such as in the SIP
version of SINCGARS ground-air transceivers and the new
AN/PRC-150 IHFR (Improved HF Radio) now under contract to Harris.
See AN/ARC-210 for the SIP (SINCGARS Improvement Program)
version of that for aircraft.

Again...colorful. Clancyesque.

You and fiction seem to get along quite well.

Stebie just doesn't know what he thinks he is talking about. :-)

He once tried to spew insults about my "not knowing civilian
avionics" (despite my having been IN that line of work) and
took to task my "faulty" description of civilian VOR. Never
mind that VOR (I consider elegant in simplicity for the tube
era) was conceived, tested, and found acceptible for the
international air community in the 1950s. Likewise, he
didn't speak out when I mentioned "Mode 4" for IFF transponders.

He just doesn't mention ANYTHING in regards to military radio-
electronics systems, no details, no names of any kind. At best
he once talked about two civilian radios supposedly at the
Okinawa MARS location where he claimed to be "Assistant NCOIC"
(as if they had so many that they needed "assistant" titles).

That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

I predict Stebie will do neither. He can't admit to duplicity
(he is too deep now to have any chance of backing out) and he
doesn't ever admit to any wrongdoing (his duplicity depends on
him giving the impression he is always right).

If Stebie LIES about his military "radio experience" then it is
almost a sure bet he LIES about amateur radio experience.

What we CAN bank on is a series of personal insults directed at
his "opponents" that challenge him. Standard Operating Procedure.

lie SOP

From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 22, 7:44 pm

On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in



I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.

And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

You had several chances, "Steve"..... you flunked.

Flunked badly enough to be terminated without prejudice.

I loved that "Colonel Vinson" sentence of yours and was getting
tired waiting for Stebie's bluffing reply to show up. :-)
Stebie was bluffing along, trying to take advantage of so very
few in here knowing anything about military electronics or
practices.

He's failed to respond to "KIR" and "KIT" that I mentioned a few
years ago...apparently NOT knowing that they set the codes for
the common IFF transponder on nearly all military aircraft.

And BTW, the info above isn't much of a secret since Time magazine put
a picture of a KY-57 on the front cover back in '83 -- nice pic of a
Beirut Marine next to a jeep with a VRC-12.

VERY little of the outside of those "K" boxes have been "secret"
nor have the names. Some of the insides are, obviously, but
not names or contract numbers for production nor contract monies
for those contracts. All public knowledge.

Back around 1996 (?) the Army released for PUBLIC DISSEMINATION
the "catalog" of land-forces Signal equipment, FM 24-24. It is
open for public viewing at the Army's Training and Doctrine
Command Digital Library. At least two ham websites have links
to those PDF chapters for free downloads. Nearly ALL signal
equipment is described in there with pictures and all that. :-)

Nowadays, though, COMSEC is being built-in such as in the SIP
version of SINCGARS ground-air transceivers and the new
AN/PRC-150 IHFR (Improved HF Radio) now under contract to Harris.
See AN/ARC-210 for the SIP (SINCGARS Improvement Program)
version of that for aircraft.

Again...colorful. Clancyesque.

You and fiction seem to get along quite well.

Stebie just doesn't know what he thinks he is talking about. :-)

He once tried to spew insults about my "not knowing civilian
avionics" (despite my having been IN that line of work) and
took to task my "faulty" description of civilian VOR. Never
mind that VOR (I consider elegant in simplicity for the tube
era) was conceived, tested, and found acceptible for the
international air community in the 1950s. Likewise, he
didn't speak out when I mentioned "Mode 4" for IFF transponders.

He just doesn't mention ANYTHING in regards to military radio-
electronics systems, no details, no names of any kind. At best
he once talked about two civilian radios supposedly at the
Okinawa MARS location where he claimed to be "Assistant NCOIC"
(as if they had so many that they needed "assistant" titles).

That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

I predict Stebie will do neither. He can't admit to duplicity
(he is too deep now to have any chance of backing out) and he
doesn't ever admit to any wrongdoing (his duplicity depends on
him giving the impression he is always right).

If Stebie LIES about his military "radio experience" then it is
almost a sure bet he LIES about amateur radio experience.

What we CAN bank on is a series of personal insults directed at
his "opponents" that challenge him. Standard Operating Procedure.

lie SOP

Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip
Assuming you really
-are- who you claim, you sure are setting a -=BAD=- example of the
discipline both required and expected of a retired Marine Gunny of 18
years (which is bull**** in and of itself) by wasting so much time
engaging in flame wars on Usenet. I can get away with it because I was
a ****bird..... but you? Heck, if I was USMC retired and behaving the
way you do I'd go outside and kick my -own- ass out of respect for the
Corps. And -THAT'S- what Semper Fidelis means, Steve.

;^))

And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

VINSON! I remember those. The 2ID provided us with aviation,
mobile/tactical radios. The kick13 was on a sweatty piece of parachute
cord that got passed from shift to shift; had to wear it on my neck.
The QRCT HF system also required a ky58, though the depot was Ft Gillem
(brac?).

What were the little tear-off code pages called?

KAC? Authenticate.

Haven't thought about that stuff in years.

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

Thank you.

On 23 Aug 2005 18:47:00 -0700, wrote in
. com:

snip
VINSON! I remember those. The 2ID provided us with aviation,
mobile/tactical radios. The kick13 was on a sweatty piece of parachute
cord that got passed from shift to shift; had to wear it on my neck.
The QRCT HF system also required a ky58, though the depot was Ft Gillem
(brac?).


1st & 2nd echelon repair (USMC, ground) was taught at MCAGCC; 3rd
through 5th was taught at Ft. Gordon for all branches.


What were the little tear-off code pages called?


Emergency toilet paper? Beats me. I was a tech, not an operator.







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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 23 Aug 2005 18:47:00 -0700, wrote in
. com:

snip
VINSON! I remember those. The 2ID provided us with aviation,
mobile/tactical radios. The kick13 was on a sweatty piece of parachute
cord that got passed from shift to shift; had to wear it on my neck.
The QRCT HF system also required a ky58, though the depot was Ft Gillem
(brac?).


1st & 2nd echelon repair (USMC, ground) was taught at MCAGCC;

Where dat?

3rd
through 5th was taught at Ft. Gordon for all branches.


What were the little tear-off code pages called?


Emergency toilet paper? Beats me. I was a tech, not an operator.

Speaking of the world's greatest radio op, Heil was just bragging about
his use of the STU. Hi!