Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.

I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't
used them.

Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.
So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

Sounds like Lennie's arguments.

No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?

It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.

It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Steve, K4YZ