On 21 Aug 2005 20:33:22 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.


I see you haven't yet read my other reply.


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.


You have provided nothing to me except vague generalizations. No
verifiable details at all.


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.


Wrong again:

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:

snip
Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.


Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

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That's three times you have misrepresented my statements. If you are
going to mount a defensive argument then at least stick to the facts.
Otherwise you are just validating everything others here are saying
about you.


So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?


Quite a few. Back when I was active, the three batallions of the 8th
regiment were rotated into the 22nd and 24th MAUs. I was deployed with
the 24th MAU on The USS Nassau. This ship is an LHA -- basically it's
a small aircraft carrier with a massive well deck. It can accomodate a
lot of different aircraft including the Cobra, Huey, CH-46, CH-53,
OV-10 and Harrier. Being a Marine in the avionics field you should
have already known this. In fact, if you -were- USMC for 18 years it's
more than likey that you would had served aboard an LHA or a similar
amphibious assault ship. Either way you would have known of both their
existence and their capabilities.

Or was that just a rhetorical question?


He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.


Why? I was just responding the same way you respond to other people in
this group. You're the spelling cop, aren't you?


And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources,


Yet another misrepresentation.


yet obviously haven't
used them.


The DOD records are available at www.military.com. There was indeed a
Steve Robeson, USMC, E-7, and in avionics. But you have yet to prove
that you are him.


Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough.


......uh, where? You have a jillion or so posts on Google. I'm not
going to spend a month reading through all your flame wars just to
find out a couple tidbits that you can simply retype.


I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.


Did I ask for it?


So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.


You're still missing the big picture, Steve. See my other post.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?


For the same reason that declaring your career in the USMC was
neessary [sic]..... it's not. But you made the claim so back it up.


Sounds like Lennie's arguments.


If that was intended to somehow discredit the validity of the
argument, well, it didn't. Facts are facts regardless of the source.


No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?


Depends on the concrete. Hit a weak spot and it makes a big ****ing
hole that you can walk through. Hit some of that steel-reinforced
high-grade stuff and it just skins the surface down to the rebar. You
could see both on the South wall.


It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.


That much I figured out already.


It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.


No, it's very horrific. And I'm not suprised that you equate war with
popular fiction -- most civilians do.


So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.


Ah yes, the scullery! Lot's of action there, but nobody shooting at
you. Maybe working the butts at the rifle range.... now -there's-
something that fits your definition of "hostile action". So you
qualified seven times in 18 years..... that's about right.


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.


I have never said, or even suggested, that Ollie has anything to do
with my resources. You are trying to connect the dots into a picture
that doesn't exist.


As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.


More excuses.


I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.


Let's check to see what the FACTS are, shall we?

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:20:30 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:08:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine.....


Really? What units and when?

"Braggard"

"alleged"

Nothing "braggard about being a Marine, Markie.

Frank, E-mail me directly if you care to. I'd be gald to tell you
directly.


Either you were a Marine or you weren't. Why the secrecy? Did you
serve under Colonel Vinson at Ft. Gordon or something?

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Looks to me like I did NOT snip that part of your post; in fact, I
even REPLIED to it. You, however, did -not- reply. Regardless, I will
snip no more messages if that makes you happy. And there's nothing
that prevented you from e-mailing me first.


This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.


......uh-oh, here come the paranoia police!


Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references",


Who said my references were "impeccable"? Not me. I wasn't exactly the
'model Marine'. Heck, I was suprised when they promoted me back to PFC
(for the third time) just a month before I was discharged. Enough with
your misrepresentations, Steve.


yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.


Sure I do. Wanna hear what I have to say about the service in general
or about the few cronies that screw it up?


Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.


And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.







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Frank Gilliland wrote:

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.

Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"...

It just makes the LennieRants more colorful.

Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information,
yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"...

Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty
without giving you my SSAN to do it with.

You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette yet try and "dis"
my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV
of my service here. You were in an AAV unit so of course you know
EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years
ago.

LenniePhantom.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Sun 21 Aug 2005 20:33

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
wrote:


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

"...insinuations of intimacy with..."? :-)

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. We all "must" accept Stebie's "word" on HIS
service, yet all he can do is shout "call the VA!" :-)

"It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating
source is..." if its against what Stebie said or if Stebie no
like it, it is a "LIE." :-)

Poor Stebie...he can't stand up to scrutiny and his "respone" is
to heap abuse on the personals of his challengers.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

"...close relationship?!?" :-)

Anyone can "research headers" and find the ISP of a poster, and
that's about IT. :-)

Sorry, little Stebie, but nobody has hacked the IEEE website
for the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers
professional association. I may be the only one with that
"header origin." I have NO "relationship" with Frank, with Mark
or with Brian Burke, or Todd, don't know them personally, haven't
met them, don't even live close to them (don't know where Frank
lives, but that is irrelevant). WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Tell us how the USMC "career" of Stebie Robeson "affects amateur
radio policy?" :-)

Tell us how the Civil Air Patrol "pilot in command" experience
relates to amateur radio policy? :-)

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Poor baby, feeling worried are you?

YOU just POST some verifiable REAL claims to your statements in
order to be believed. So far all you've done is shout "call the
VA!" [the VA will NOT divulge details unless one is a family
member or a reputable, verifiable personnel department of a
company or a verifiable agent of a police force]

You could digitize your DD214 and have it available for private
e-mail (this newsgroup doesn't carry binaries) to PROVE your
military release from active duty. It's only one page long.
But, you won't, claiming some "personal outrage" at having to
do such a thing! Oh, my. We are all supposed to BELIEVE you,
right? While everyone else not believing you LIES?" :-)

con gam

wrote:

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

You've been GIVEN information IN PUBLIC that can be verified on an
number of topics, Lennie.

You blow it off with your own little song-and-dance.

WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

So far you also share (with the exception of "Frank") deceit and
dishonesty. You also have COPIOUS quantities of your own snow jobs,
con games, BS, and nefarious braggadoccio in this forum, Lennie...Your
pointing finger has plenty of all of them dripping off of them.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

here BTw is stevie accusing me of hiring Frank

Well, Markie...Glad you were able to hire someone to "support" you!



K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

You've been GIVEN information IN PUBLIC that can be verified on an
number of topics, Lennie.

You blow it off with your own little song-and-dance.

You have not given anything to verify

one can verify the existance of a marine but nothing to contecting it
you

WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

So far you also share (with the exception of "Frank") deceit and
dishonesty. You also have COPIOUS quantities of your own snow jobs,
con games, BS, and nefarious braggadoccio in this forum, Lennie...Your
pointing finger has plenty of all of them dripping off of them.

Putz.

more of your sex obsession

Steve, K4YZ

From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 1:14 pm

wrote:

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

You've been GIVEN information IN PUBLIC that can be verified on an
number of topics, Lennie.

Those consist solely of Stebie's messages. That is all.

You blow it off with your own little song-and-dance.

"Song and dance?" :-)

[just a minute while I put on my Haney plates and move the rug...]

[dancers count in Octal, did you know that? :-) ]

"Song and Dance" Listings I've made:

1. Short-form WORK RESUME, not a "CV" or Curriculum Vitae.
Curriculum Vitae is for academics, is a whole Life
Experience listing.
2. Names and callsigns of living radio amateurs (N2JTV, KD6JG,
W6MJN) who know me (Gene was IN my signal battalion and
worked at the same transmitting station, different shift).
3. Issue date of the Pacific Stars and Stripes military
newspaper which had my interview in it, still archived at
the www.estripes website.
4. E-mail digitized copy of my first 'First Phone license
certificate which you said you didn't look at (impossible
to verify that a recipient has looked at anything).
5. Twice given others' listings of Ham Radio magazine articles
indexes which include my articles published there plus
mention of the fact that I was on their masthead as
Associate Editor in the 1980s (sold to CQ Communications
in 1990 after 22 years of independent publishing).
6. Included mentions of enough events, history, details of
the entire radio world to indicate a familiarity with
that documented history, giving specific websites for
information to verify that.
7. Given websites' URLs for collections for some of my
papers on radio.
8. Given websites for verification of DoD directives,
government radio activities, the NTIA (including Reports),
radio history other than ARRL versions of same.
9. Given book references on radio history and theory.

ALL of that is verifiable by anyone, anyone who cares to LOOK,
write the corporations' personnel departments about my employment,
or write the individuals I've listed.

In addition, I've made all of my PC programs for radio-electronics
freeware. I've mentioned only one, LCie4 (design-analysis of
passive L-C filters) in public communications with Jim Weir,
(WX6RST?) both in here and in rec.radio.amateur.homebrew.

NONE of what I've said/written is any sort of fabrication. It is
ALL independently verifiable. NONE of it is "song and dance."

Do we readers of this newsgroup see anything remotely similar
from Stebie? NO! All we get is vague generalities, no details,
smokescreened by innumerable personal insults against the
challengers in an attempt to divert attention.

WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

So far you also share (with the exception of "Frank") deceit and
dishonesty.

What "deceit" and "dishonesty?" Anyone is free to independently
verify for themselves what I've said is TRUE.

You seem to be operating from your own fantasy world where you
IMAGINE what others "really are." THAT is wrong, that isn't the
real world where the rest of us live.

You REFUSE TO ACCEPT what some of us have done in radio-electronics
and prefer to engage in petty squabbling and Flame War ignition
because you get challenged on your own opinions. Your ego is
seemingly so sensitive that you can't stand anything negative
said about your opinions, attitudes, or general comportment...yet
you insist on being "blameless" for heaping personal abuse on
others IN PLACE OF replying on the SUBJECT under discussion.

You've done the latter as shown quoted above. You do the same
thing in the quoted text following -

You also have COPIOUS quantities of your own snow jobs,
con games, BS, and nefarious braggadoccio in this forum, Lennie...Your
pointing finger has plenty of all of them dripping off of them.

ANYONE can verify my "background" (work/hobby/life experiences)
from the references I've given in public. Independently verify
them. Having a different opinion on something is NOT a "snow
job," "con game", "BS", or (love this one) "nefarious
braggadoccio". It is simply HAVING A DIFFERENT OPINION. That
YOU don't like an opinion different from yours is NOT some
kind of "exemption" to call others names, to insult them. Yet,
you routinely insult, demean, heap abuse on those who differ in
their opinions. Sooner or later you MUST learn to take it in
regards to differing opinions. The real world does NOT run on
Stebie fantasies or ego-centric thought.

All you need do is to post some VERIFIABLE information or have
some digitized documents available for e-mail to prove your
statements. You SHOULD state YOUR case on "experiences" in
enough first-person detail so that others - who have shared
similar experiences - can judge whether or not they are "true."
Avoid the constant barrage of petty insults thrown at those
who challenge you in place of supplying verifiable references.

The constant, almost unremitting Flame War you engage in here
only makes "your case" unbelievable, as if your whole reason-
for-being is to FIGHT with everyone. I'm sure there's a
"rec" newsgroup just for FIGHTING. Go there and work out if
you must. Remember that THIS newsgroup is for recreational
radio, amateur policy matters, NOT "Stebie Against The World."

Oh, work on your salesmanship skills. All good con men are
salesmen at heart. So far you've not sold much...if anything.

for gon

wrote:
From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 1:14 pm

cuting
ANYONE can verify my "background" (work/hobby/life experiences)
from the references I've given in public. Independently verify
them. Having a different opinion on something is NOT a "snow
job," "con game", "BS", or (love this one) "nefarious
braggadoccio". It is simply HAVING A DIFFERENT OPINION. That
YOU don't like an opinion different from yours is NOT some
kind of "exemption" to call others names, to insult them. Yet,
you routinely insult, demean, heap abuse on those who differ in
their opinions. Sooner or later you MUST learn to take it in
regards to differing opinions. The real world does NOT run on
Stebie fantasies or ego-centric thought.

Sorry Len but I must call you on that one I am certain alas you are
worng Stevie doesn't have to learn to deal with the real world
cut

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun 21 Aug 2005 20:33

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
wrote:


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

"...insinuations of intimacy with..."? :-)

Whenever Steve sees two mens names side by side, he see a love
connection. Hope he never visits the Vietnam War Memorial.

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. We all "must" accept Stebie's "word" on HIS
service, yet all he can do is shout "call the VA!" :-)

"It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating
source is..." if its against what Stebie said or if Stebie no
like it, it is a "LIE." :-)

Poor Stebie...he can't stand up to scrutiny and his "respone" is
to heap abuse on the personals of his challengers.

Steve is finally getting the attention that he seeks.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

He can't. After his widespread claims of seven hostile actions, he'll
never be able to show his records because they will prove that there
were no hostile actions.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

"...close relationship?!?" :-)

Probably a love quadrangle.

Anyone can "research headers" and find the ISP of a poster, and
that's about IT. :-)

Sorry, little Stebie, but nobody has hacked the IEEE website
for the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers
professional association. I may be the only one with that
"header origin." I have NO "relationship" with Frank, with Mark
or with Brian Burke, or Todd, don't know them personally, haven't
met them, don't even live close to them (don't know where Frank
lives, but that is irrelevant). WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

A hugely useless effort because none of it is credible.

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Tell us how the USMC "career" of Stebie Robeson "affects amateur
radio policy?" :-)

Tell us how the Civil Air Patrol "pilot in command" experience
relates to amateur radio policy? :-)

Tell us how being "A" NCOIC (or probably not being "A" NCOIC) of
Okinawa MARS relates to amateur radio policy?

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Poor baby, feeling worried are you?

Steve knows that Frank knows his game.

YOU just POST some verifiable REAL claims to your statements in
order to be believed. So far all you've done is shout "call the
VA!" [the VA will NOT divulge details unless one is a family
member or a reputable, verifiable personnel department of a
company or a verifiable agent of a police force]

You could digitize your DD214 and have it available for private
e-mail (this newsgroup doesn't carry binaries) to PROVE your
military release from active duty. It's only one page long.
But, you won't, claiming some "personal outrage" at having to
do such a thing! Oh, my. We are all supposed to BELIEVE you,
right? While everyone else not believing you LIES?" :-)

con gam


I don't beleive him. Too much sewage under the bridge.

From: on Tues 23 Aug 2005 18:19


wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun 21 Aug 2005 20:33
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
wrote:

You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

"...insinuations of intimacy with..."? :-)

Whenever Steve sees two mens names side by side, he see a love
connection. Hope he never visits the Vietnam War Memorial.

...or comes within a klick of any group of BSA.

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. We all "must" accept Stebie's "word" on HIS
service, yet all he can do is shout "call the VA!" :-)

"It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating
source is..." if its against what Stebie said or if Stebie no
like it, it is a "LIE." :-)

Poor Stebie...he can't stand up to scrutiny and his "respone" is
to heap abuse on the personals of his challengers.

Steve is finally getting the attention that he seeks.

It's a sick, sociopathic way of getting attention.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

He can't. After his widespread claims of seven hostile actions, he'll
never be able to show his records because they will prove that there
were no hostile actions.

They will prove HE wasn't in them. Between 1974 and 1992 the USA
was involved in MORE than 7 hostile actions.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

"...close relationship?!?" :-)

Probably a love quadrangle.

Heh heh heh heh. I'll call up my friend, the independent writer,
to see if he wants to contribute another "news item" to the
National Enquirer. :-)

Anyone can "research headers" and find the ISP of a poster, and
that's about IT. :-)

Sorry, little Stebie, but nobody has hacked the IEEE website
for the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers
professional association. I may be the only one with that
"header origin." I have NO "relationship" with Frank, with Mark
or with Brian Burke, or Todd, don't know them personally, haven't
met them, don't even live close to them (don't know where Frank
lives, but that is irrelevant). WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

A hugely useless effort because none of it is credible.

Credible? It isn't even edible.

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Tell us how the USMC "career" of Stebie Robeson "affects amateur
radio policy?" :-)

Tell us how the Civil Air Patrol "pilot in command" experience
relates to amateur radio policy? :-)

Tell us how being "A" NCOIC (or probably not being "A" NCOIC) of
Okinawa MARS relates to amateur radio policy?

To quote: "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-)

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Poor baby, feeling worried are you?

Steve knows that Frank knows his game.

WE all know his "game" by now.

YOU just POST some verifiable REAL claims to your statements in
order to be believed. So far all you've done is shout "call the
VA!" [the VA will NOT divulge details unless one is a family
member or a reputable, verifiable personnel department of a
company or a verifiable agent of a police force]

You could digitize your DD214 and have it available for private
e-mail (this newsgroup doesn't carry binaries) to PROVE your
military release from active duty. It's only one page long.
But, you won't, claiming some "personal outrage" at having to
do such a thing! Oh, my. We are all supposed to BELIEVE you,
right? While everyone else not believing you LIES?" :-)

I don't beleive him. Too much sewage under the bridge.

Well, we've now got a NEW name for the sewage: "Dudly."

Thanks to Frank for emphasizing that. Too bad that Ernest K.
Gann isn't around to write that up much better now.

sew age

From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 7:35 am

Frank Gilliland wrote:

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.

Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"...

It just makes the LennieRants more colorful.

Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information,
yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"...

So far we've got NOTHING but vagueness.

Must be a lot of that vagueness stuff going around...

Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty
without giving you my SSAN to do it with.

"SSAN?" :-)

"Lesssee"...You claim that you were "in seven hostile actions."
Tsk, we don't know the Where or When of your involvement.

"Lesssee"...You claim to have been an "avionics tech" yet
you've been UNABLE to mention a single piece of aviation
electronics by nomenclature or familiar name. [were you
"brain-wiped" on leaving the Corps?]

"Lesssee"...You've NOT mentioned a single name of a "bud" or
Corps comrade who can be reached for independent verification
of your Corps existance...after 18 years of service you have
NO friends or references? [that's cause for alarm to everyone
right there]

You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette yet try and "dis"
my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV
of my service here.

"...proper USMC etiquette...?"

[did your mess tables have little doilies and place settings? :-) ]

Tsk, Stebie had better look up "curriculum vitae" in his Latin
dictionary. Those of us who WORKED FOR A LIVING in the radio-
electronics industry called it a "resume" (pronouce it "resz-
u-may") and, lo and behold, so did the Human Resources folks
(fancy new name for Personnel Departments)!

You were in an AAV unit so of course you know
EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years
ago.

Don't YOU? :-)

Tsk, back a few years in here, I made a humorous mention of "Street
Road" going through Bucks County, PA. A big Flame War erupted
about my being at Naval Air Development Center in Warminster, PA
(as a field engineer for my employer, RCA Corporation, specifically
on air tests of an R&D collision-avoidance system). I was there in
the winter of '71-'72 for three months plus three other short trips
there in '72. At NO time did I ever "seek employment" there or
"work for the USN" at any time (I worked for a private corporation).
YOU said "you knew several" there that were "your buds" who aid I
"wasn't a good employee" or words to that effect. That was a
fabrication but you did not yield ANY details about me or your
"buds" or even where I was working (the Warminster NAS or Naval
Air Station, a one-runway field was bisected by a road separating
it from the NADC main building...I was mainly in the main building).

Later on, in here, you brought out some UNNAMED "now-PhD" who
"knew me" back then and said "I was not a good employee [of the
Navy]." You kept insisting that unnamed person was "real" yet
you "were obliged to keep his identity secret." That's ten kinds
of BS crock, Stebie. In the short three months bisected by year-
end Holidays, I worked directly with only 3 civilian employees of
the USN, was NEVER a USN employee, always had a Visitor badge worn
in addition to my RCA badge, met some of the pilots and aircrew
(enlisted all USN, one civilian pilot, three USN commission pilots),
and assorted USN and civilian NADC and NAS workers. The three
civilians I worked with directly all retired long ago but here
are their initials: S O B M J R - all you have to do is get them
in pairs to think up their names...and then NAME the NADC section
I was visiting for this R&D program's flight test for the U.S.
government, NOT specifically for Navy development. While you are
at it, you have to name the OTHER private corporation who ALSO
had their anti-collision system flight tested there also for the
U.S. government, not for Navy development. Feel free to name
the USN aircraft used in those flight tests if you wish...I was
in ALL of them.

You CANNOT complete any of those requirements, Stebie, because
- if you were really assigned to Warminster NAS - you were there
TEN YEARS AFTERWARDS when the NADC main building was shutting down
and projects there moved elsewhere. NADC is long GONE now and
perhaps the NAS is also (I don't really care). I was NEVER trying
for any Navy civilian employment position there just as I NEVER
tried to do so at China Lake or Point Mugu or Key West NAS or
Patuxent River (MD) Test Range ("Pax River"). You kept saying I
was either a "Navy employee" or "tried to get a job there", neither
of which was true.

Now YOU NAME this "now-PhD who knew me" back 33 1/2 years ago or
admit it was all a weird FABRICATION of yours. Your choice.
You haven't given detail One on this fabricated individual other
than glossed-over generalities and dire implications.

Tsk, you've "accused" Frank Gilliland of "making things up" yet
that is what YOU have been doing for years in here!

oop now