Dan:

At this point, all I see which has been "proved" is that in humanity there
is a need to set ones own image as being "special", the things they use as
as qualifications to these ends are preposterous--even resorting to
flashing a hobby license at you in pursuit of those ends...

.... grab a chair and view this "circus" of performers out there, and just
to think, they have no clue on the opinions of others viewing them in
their silly performances... indeed, even if you attempt to explain it to
them, it just doesn't make it though that image they have constructed for
themselves.

It is much like watching a "lotus blossom eater" and unable to fathom what
visions must dance before their eyes obscuring the reality which lies
about them... the term "glorified CB'ers" pops to the forefront of ones
mind...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:57:17 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual, as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

John,

My "point" is this....ever since the creation of "incentive licensing".
Forcing one to upgrade. I have found a serious degradation of attitudes in
ham radio.

I have seen the class of license being used to determine ones "pecking
order" in the society of Amateur Radio. Thus forcing upon us a system of
"class structure". A structure of unwarranted superiority because of ones
license class. I stated it back in 1965 when I first heard of this stupid
idea. And I state it today.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

At this point, all I see which has been "proved" is that in humanity there
is a need to set ones own image as being "special", the things they use as
as qualifications to these ends are preposterous--even resorting to
flashing a hobby license at you in pursuit of those ends...

... grab a chair and view this "circus" of performers out there, and just
to think, they have no clue on the opinions of others viewing them in
their silly performances... indeed, even if you attempt to explain it to
them, it just doesn't make it though that image they have constructed for
themselves.

It is much like watching a "lotus blossom eater" and unable to fathom what
visions must dance before their eyes obscuring the reality which lies
about them... the term "glorified CB'ers" pops to the forefront of ones
mind...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:57:17 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual,
as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of
licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
John,

My "point" is this....ever since the creation of "incentive licensing".
Forcing one to upgrade. I have found a serious degradation of attitudes in
ham radio.

I have seen the class of license being used to determine ones "pecking
order" in the society of Amateur Radio. Thus forcing upon us a system of
"class structure". A structure of unwarranted superiority because of ones
license class. I stated it back in 1965 when I first heard of this stupid
idea. And I state it today.

Dan/W4NTI

and State something many of us can agree with you on

Dan:

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I agree I have run into way too many extras
with an attitude they are superior in some way, they are superior at CW,
but for some reason that looks like a damn simple thing to excited about,
it won't get you a job, it isn't an indication of IQ, it won't help you
feed your family, it is not suitable training for any real world skill,
etc, etc.

And, you know, the problem really isn't the extras enjoying their "opium
dreams" and looking ridiculous to really educated men while they are doing
so, it is the damn idiots they are able to snooker that makes you lose
faith in the human race! Has a good portion of this world become "extra
worshiping fools?", what kind of mental disorder is that? How come I get
the feeling like I went to bed and the world was sane, I woke up and
everyone has gone crazy?

I mean, it is really too lunatic for intelligent men to argue--fools are
grabbing hobby licenses and pretending to be intellectuals--I can't even
begin to describe the bizarre nature of this, or how they are so
successful at fooling others... I mean it is as simple as drugs--just say
NO!

I was afraid this is what you meant by "attitude adjustment" for the
newbies, indoctrination into the "church of extra worshiping hams!" Sorry
if I was mistaken...

John


On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:32:02 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

John,

My "point" is this....ever since the creation of "incentive licensing".
Forcing one to upgrade. I have found a serious degradation of attitudes in
ham radio.

I have seen the class of license being used to determine ones "pecking
order" in the society of Amateur Radio. Thus forcing upon us a system of
"class structure". A structure of unwarranted superiority because of ones
license class. I stated it back in 1965 when I first heard of this stupid
idea. And I state it today.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

At this point, all I see which has been "proved" is that in humanity there
is a need to set ones own image as being "special", the things they use as
as qualifications to these ends are preposterous--even resorting to
flashing a hobby license at you in pursuit of those ends...

... grab a chair and view this "circus" of performers out there, and just
to think, they have no clue on the opinions of others viewing them in
their silly performances... indeed, even if you attempt to explain it to
them, it just doesn't make it though that image they have constructed for
themselves.

It is much like watching a "lotus blossom eater" and unable to fathom what
visions must dance before their eyes obscuring the reality which lies
about them... the term "glorified CB'ers" pops to the forefront of ones
mind...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:57:17 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual,
as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of
licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

No John,

I do not believe having an Extra Amateur Radio License should, or does make
the holder somehow superior. All it tells me is that they followed to
rules to get what privileges are available, in a legal manner. It shows
dedication and perseverance. Not superiority.

As I stated before, I believe incentive licensing is the scourge of Amateur
Radio, and is directly related to all this "in fighting" we have these days.

For what it's worth.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I agree I have run into way too many extras
with an attitude they are superior in some way, they are superior at CW,
but for some reason that looks like a damn simple thing to excited about,
it won't get you a job, it isn't an indication of IQ, it won't help you
feed your family, it is not suitable training for any real world skill,
etc, etc.

And, you know, the problem really isn't the extras enjoying their "opium
dreams" and looking ridiculous to really educated men while they are doing
so, it is the damn idiots they are able to snooker that makes you lose
faith in the human race! Has a good portion of this world become "extra
worshiping fools?", what kind of mental disorder is that? How come I get
the feeling like I went to bed and the world was sane, I woke up and
everyone has gone crazy?

I mean, it is really too lunatic for intelligent men to argue--fools are
grabbing hobby licenses and pretending to be intellectuals--I can't even
begin to describe the bizarre nature of this, or how they are so
successful at fooling others... I mean it is as simple as drugs--just say
NO!

I was afraid this is what you meant by "attitude adjustment" for the
newbies, indoctrination into the "church of extra worshiping hams!" Sorry
if I was mistaken...

John


On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:32:02 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

John,

My "point" is this....ever since the creation of "incentive licensing".
Forcing one to upgrade. I have found a serious degradation of attitudes
in
ham radio.

I have seen the class of license being used to determine ones "pecking
order" in the society of Amateur Radio. Thus forcing upon us a system of
"class structure". A structure of unwarranted superiority because of
ones
license class. I stated it back in 1965 when I first heard of this
stupid
idea. And I state it today.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

At this point, all I see which has been "proved" is that in humanity
there
is a need to set ones own image as being "special", the things they use
as
as qualifications to these ends are preposterous--even resorting to
flashing a hobby license at you in pursuit of those ends...

... grab a chair and view this "circus" of performers out there, and
just
to think, they have no clue on the opinions of others viewing them in
their silly performances... indeed, even if you attempt to explain it
to
them, it just doesn't make it though that image they have constructed
for
themselves.

It is much like watching a "lotus blossom eater" and unable to fathom
what
visions must dance before their eyes obscuring the reality which lies
about them... the term "glorified CB'ers" pops to the forefront of ones
mind...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:57:17 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful,
as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been
ineffectual,
as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting
to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras
so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the
unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of
licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great
CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John