You want to give these Liberal taught kids a lesson in self respect?

Draft them into the military.

That will fix the situation in LESS than a generation.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan ... at last we agree!!!!!!

We *MUST* eliminate this "I'm better than you because (pick one of the
following, or any other reason ... "I have a higher class license." or
"I passed an xx wpm Morse test.") - class warfare.

We are ALL hams ... period. Some are more experienced. They SHOULD be
Elmering (and Elmering doesn't mean "browbeating them into your personal
preferences") the newbies and HELPING them to learn (whatever they want
to) about ham radio, rather than "dising" them and treating them like
dirt.

This stuff has GOT to stop!

73,
Carl - wk3c
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c



Sure does......most of the newcomers are into learning. Most of the
newcomers do want to be Elmered. However......some of the newcomers
need an attitude adjustment. Most of them are here it seems.

You raise a good point, Dan. Elmering is good. Being a willing student is
good. You must have both for it to work. Many new Hams do not want to
feel inferior. I don't know if it is the first generation of "high self
esteem" students hitting adulthood or what. But there are a number of
newbies out there that bristle when offered advice. And I do know how to
offer advice in a kindly manner.


I think this "protect their self esteem at all costs" approach was badly
mishandled. While one should never put down a person, they do need
guidance and it has to be pointed out that mistakes are mistakes. Because
these students were protected from their mistakes and told it was OK, in
the end, I believe that they end up with lower self-esteem. They do often
realize that they've made a mistake but the fact that no one points it out
or helps them correct it transfroms in their minds into the concept that
they are so lowly that they aren't worth helping. This is a bigger hit on
their self esteem than anything I can think of.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE