On 23 Aug 2005 12:41:50 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

the question still stands

when you are you going to confess to your lies?\


Probably never. After so many years of rationalizing his lies I'm sure
he actually believes that they are justified. I effectively nuked him
with the facts and his response was avoidance. It's been a few years,
but if I remember my Psych 101 correctly he has what you would call
"Narcissistic Personality Disorder"; his false sense of superiority
will never let him fess up, and his need for attention will never let
him shut up. Too bad cause he's obviously a smart guy -- just really
screwed up.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 23 Aug 2005 12:41:50 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

the question still stands

when you are you going to confess to your lies?\


Probably never. After so many years of rationalizing his lies I'm sure
he actually believes that they are justified. I effectively nuked him
with the facts and his response was avoidance. It's been a few years,
but if I remember my Psych 101 correctly he has what you would call
"Narcissistic Personality Disorder"; his false sense of superiority
will never let him fess up, and his need for attention will never let
him shut up. Too bad cause he's obviously a smart guy -- just really
screwed up.

You are more than likely right

OTOH I have found over the years if you keep pressing him on his faults
he tends to be quieter and better behaved

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 23 Aug 2005 12:41:50 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

the question still stands

when you are you going to confess to your lies?\


Probably never. After so many years of rationalizing his lies I'm sure
he actually believes that they are justified. I effectively nuked him
with the facts and his response was avoidance. It's been a few years,
but if I remember my Psych 101 correctly he has what you would call
"Narcissistic Personality Disorder"; his false sense of superiority
will never let him fess up, and his need for attention will never let
him shut up. Too bad cause he's obviously a smart guy -- just really
screwed up.

You are more than likely right

OTOH I have found over the years if you keep pressing him on his faults
he tends to be quieter and better behaved

there is also the factor of his crediblity

From: Frank Gilliland on Tues 23 Aug 2005 13:27

On 23 Aug 2005 12:41:50 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

the question still stands

when you are you going to confess to your lies?\

Probably never. After so many years of rationalizing his lies I'm sure
he actually believes that they are justified. I effectively nuked him
with the facts and his response was avoidance.

Your diagnosis is on-the-money with what we've seen for years
in here. He is 99 44/100 percent BLUFF.

It's been a few years,
but if I remember my Psych 101 correctly he has what you would call
"Narcissistic Personality Disorder"; his false sense of superiority
will never let him fess up, and his need for attention will never let
him shut up.

Proper psych name or not, that's IT. [my formal psych two
semesters were in 1959...all the rest of the time in the
Great School of Life with PLENTY of examples to study...:-)]

Author and screenwriter Ernest K. Gann's semi-autobiography
"Fate Is The Hunter" described how a guy faked his way into
being #3 (seniority) pilot on a new airline starting up between
San Francisco and Hawaii around the 1950s (Gann was #2 and an
airline pilot since before WW2).* This fake had "self-taught"
himself how to fly while in the State Department during WW2
going to and from South America. He's faked his way into
this new airline but had NO time on four-motor aircraft nor
could he fly well with the autopilot off. After an FAA
check-ride resulted in such a poor demo, the FAA found out
he had NEVER gotten an Air Transport rating! Fake went bye-
bye but later got onto another beginning airline doing the
same thing...but killing himself and passengers.

* In the book, not in the shortened black-and-white movie of
the same title name. It's in Chapter 16 (or "XVI" as typeset),
character name given as "Dudley."

Too bad cause he's obviously a smart guy -- just really
screwed up.

Stebie has an Extra. He's also said his nine-year-old can
pass it. Doesn't say much about the mentality or maturity
required to pass an amateur test.

Amateur radio is NOT on par with aircraft flying, not in any
respect. The "Dudley" of Gann's book was real and, as aircraft
can be deadly when mishandled by fakers, resulted in the
ultimate penalty. The penalty is less severe in this radio
hobby but the fakery there is more widespread...by example.

not FAQ

On 23 Aug 2005 18:27:27 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
Author and screenwriter Ernest K. Gann's semi-autobiography
"Fate Is The Hunter" described how a guy faked his way into
being #3 (seniority) pilot on a new airline starting up between
San Francisco and Hawaii around the 1950s (Gann was #2 and an
airline pilot since before WW2).* This fake had "self-taught"
himself how to fly while in the State Department during WW2
going to and from South America. He's faked his way into
this new airline but had NO time on four-motor aircraft nor
could he fly well with the autopilot off. After an FAA
check-ride resulted in such a poor demo, the FAA found out
he had NEVER gotten an Air Transport rating! Fake went bye-
bye but later got onto another beginning airline doing the
same thing...but killing himself and passengers.


How does that saying go..... "fake it till you make it". Apparently he
didn't make it.


* In the book, not in the shortened black-and-white movie of
the same title name. It's in Chapter 16 (or "XVI" as typeset),
character name given as "Dudley."


That might be a good nickname for Steve -- "Dudly the Dud", or maybe
"Dudly Didn't-Do-Right".....


Too bad cause he's obviously a smart guy -- just really
screwed up.

Stebie has an Extra. He's also said his nine-year-old can
pass it. Doesn't say much about the mentality or maturity
required to pass an amateur test.


What makes you think he's even a ham? It's clear that the person
claiming to be K4YZ in this newsgroup isn't Gunny Robeson. If the
-real- Gunny Robeson is K4YZ then this imposter is stealing both his
military history -and- his amateur status. From now on I'm going to
call him "Dudly" just to make the distinction between the real K4YZ
and the newsgroup imposter. (The NIS should have fun with this guy!)







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Frank Gilliland wrote:

Stebie has an Extra. He's also said his nine-year-old can
pass it. Doesn't say much about the mentality or maturity
required to pass an amateur test.


What makes you think he's even a ham? It's clear that the person
claiming to be K4YZ in this newsgroup isn't Gunny Robeson. If the
-real- Gunny Robeson is K4YZ then this imposter is stealing both his
military history -and- his amateur status. From now on I'm going to
call him "Dudly" just to make the distinction between the real K4YZ
and the newsgroup imposter. (The NIS should have fun with this guy!)

Be my guest, Liar Frank. Call NIS. Give them my QRZ address and
allow them to knock on my front door.

What's a "Frank Gilliland"...?!?! He not an Amateur, and other
than seeminly being able to cite the unit histories of some USMC units,
is unlikely a fellow Marine.

He appears from nowhere, enters an Amateur Radio newsgroup for no
other purpose than trying to antagonize one person on behalf of persons
who are themselves documented liars and deceivers.

The company he keeps should be enough.

Steve, K4YZ

From: Frank Gilliland on Wed 24 Aug 2005 00:18

On 23 Aug 2005 18:27:27 -0700, wrote in

snip
Author and screenwriter Ernest K. Gann's semi-autobiography
"Fate Is The Hunter" described how a guy faked his way into
being #3 (seniority) pilot on a new airline starting up between
San Francisco and Hawaii around the 1950s (Gann was #2 and an
airline pilot since before WW2).* This fake had "self-taught"
himself how to fly while in the State Department during WW2
going to and from South America. He's faked his way into
this new airline but had NO time on four-motor aircraft nor
could he fly well with the autopilot off. After an FAA
check-ride resulted in such a poor demo, the FAA found out
he had NEVER gotten an Air Transport rating! Fake went bye-
bye but later got onto another beginning airline doing the
same thing...but killing himself and passengers.

How does that saying go..... "fake it till you make it". Apparently he
didn't make it.

Sometimes an imposter can hang around a long time if he's got
a knack of diverting attention from himself to others. That
is what Dudly does in here.

For a while, Dudly was "communications officer" of a
Tennessee State Guard unit with a "title" of "1st Lieutenant."
[TN State Guard is NOT affiliated with federal National Guard]
Had his picture in the State Guard web pages. For a while.
Then it wasn't there anymore. Stebie claimed he "had to move"
and other things. But he quit mentioning his "commission"
soon afterwards. Sound suspicious? :-)

There's Dudly's famous foray into civilian electronics
"engineering" for a few months...as a Purchasing Agent. A
Purchasing Agent just doesn't DO a single bit of engineering
yet Dudly could "tell us all about it from his 'experience.'"
Didn't last a half year. Even then he would get confused on
which "division" he was in. Why so SHORT an employment?

Perhaps Dudly really has a private pilot's license. But,
having once been keen on private flying as a fun thing to do,
and then being around aviation while engaged in designing
civilian and military avionics, I've NEVER heard a private
pilot refer to themselves as "pilot in command!" That's a
USAF thing for high-rankers entitled to wear wings with the
laurel wreath around the star above the shield on their wings.
He is in a TN CAP unit "flying missions" involving search-and-
rescue. Ahem. Like there's a LOT of flying around TN? :-)

Dudly LOVES uniforms. On himself. Scrubs, cammies, or a
one-piece "flight suit." Doesn't matter...as long as it
makes him look IMPORTANT. He be a "somebody."

That "somebody-ness" is not unusual in the hobby of amateur
radio. Licensees are "federally-authorized" and they have to
pass a TEST! Some consider themselves VITAL to the nation
in emergencies when "all else fails" and they can save the
day by heroic morsemanship...the only mode that gets through!
[geez]

* In the book, not in the shortened black-and-white movie of
the same title name. It's in Chapter 16 (or "XVI" as typeset),
character name given as "Dudley."

That might be a good nickname for Steve -- "Dudly the Dud", or maybe
"Dudly Didn't-Do-Right".....

You've got it. I opt for just "Dudly."

Too bad cause he's obviously a smart guy -- just really
screwed up.

Stebie has an Extra. He's also said his nine-year-old can
pass it. Doesn't say much about the mentality or maturity
required to pass an amateur test.

What makes you think he's even a ham? It's clear that the person
claiming to be K4YZ in this newsgroup isn't Gunny Robeson.

Well, there IS a Steven James Robeson in the FCC database for
amateur radio licensees under granted callsign of K4YZ. From
there on we have NO evidence to support Dudly's claims of USMC
service other than his "word."

There IS a registry with the state of Tennessee for a Licensed
Practical Nurse (LPN) with the name Steven James Robeson. Not
for an RN (Registered Nurse) as would be common in California
for ER (Emergency Room) work. Agreed that there are differences
between states on medical organization/procedure but it is
UNLIKELY that "lower-ranking" nurses would be directly involved
with ER work. [I know some medical people in California,
including two MDs, who say that is unlikely] We don't know if
Dudly is employed right now or even where he is employed as an
LPN...not unusual since our "renowned historian of amateur lore"
in here refuses to give the name of his engineering employer.

If the
-real- Gunny Robeson is K4YZ then this imposter is stealing both his
military history -and- his amateur status.

Not an idle matter for military. They DO have rather complete
information on military personnel and agencies who can investigate
fully. For amateur radio it can be an idle matter since amateur
radio is essentially a hobby, a personal radio activity done for
recreation. Amateur radio is NOT a "vital service for the
nation" regardless of the fantasies of some individual hams.

Corroborating evidence would be old documents. Paper isn't as
ephemeral as electronic data but it can be faked. However, it
is fairly easy to see where old forms have been "touched up" to
insert other data. A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years, for example...the major change being in that old
military records were typed in by manual typists...as were old
government forms such as license certificates. It is almost
IMPOSSIBLE to fake/substitute/distort old books and periodicals
that were printed in thousands of identical copies and
distributed to subscribers, libraries, and stores. Nearly all
old documents can be scanned, digitized for distribution as
proof of something...or xerocopied at a nickel a page.

From now on I'm going to
call him "Dudly" just to make the distinction between the real K4YZ
and the newsgroup imposter. (The NIS should have fun with this guy!)

NIS? I'd suggest NIH (National Institute of Health). Nut case.

pea nut

wrote:
From: Frank Just Here to Cover Lennie's back Gilliland on Wed 24 Aug 2005 00:18

How does that saying go..... "fake it till you make it". Apparently he
didn't make it.

Wrong.

For a while, Steve was "communications officer" of a
Tennessee State Guard unit with a "title" of "1st Lieutenant."
[TN State Guard is NOT affiliated with federal National Guard]
Had his picture in the State Guard web pages. For a while.
Then it wasn't there anymore. Stebie claimed he "had to move"
and other things. But he quit mentioning his "commission"
soon afterwards. Sound suspicious?

(1) The Tennessee State Guard (the counterpart of California's
own "State Military Reserve") IS affiliated with the Tennessee National
Guard. Tennessee State's website (under Military Department) refers.

(2) Move?

(3) I didn't continue my membership in the TNSG as they didn't
have an effective mission as opposed to the CAP.

Perhaps Steve really has a private pilot's license.

The FAA's database is too complicated for you?

But, having once been keen on private flying as a fun thing to do,
and then being around aviation while engaged in designing
civilian and military avionics, I've NEVER heard a private
pilot refer to themselves as "pilot in command!"

Again, you're welcome to refer to the FAR's.

If you're the manipulator of the controls in a crewed aircraft or
are the sole aviator, you are the "pilot-in-command".

That's a
USAF thing for high-rankers entitled to wear wings with the
laurel wreath around the star above the shield on their wings.

Nope.

That's a "Command Pilot."

Having never been in the USAF, I guess you wouldn't know the
difference...but then you don't let a lack of practical experience stop
you for a LOT of things, now do you, Lennie...?!?!

He is in a TN CAP unit "flying missions" involving search-and-
rescue. Ahem. Like there's a LOT of flying around TN?

As a matter of fact...there is.

AND disaster relief.

AND Homeland Defense.

AND communications support.

Steve LOVES uniforms. On himself. Scrubs, cammies, or a
one-piece "flight suit." Doesn't matter...as long as it
makes him look IMPORTANT. He be a "somebody."

Yep...On many different levels.

Lennie, by his own admission, has only particpated in ONE act of
civil support at ANY time in his life.

The rest of his life has been spent harrassing and antagonizing
those who do.

What makes you think he's even a ham? It's clear that the person
claiming to be K4YZ in this newsgroup isn't Gunny Robeson.

Frank Gilliland is a liar. Or a fool. I am torn as to which might
be more appropriate. Maybe both?

Well, there IS a Steven James Robeson in the FCC database for
amateur radio licensees under granted callsign of K4YZ. From
there on we have NO evidence to support Dudly's claims of USMC
service other than his "word."

As much as we have YOUR "word" about your service in the Army in
1953.

There IS a registry with the state of Tennessee for a Licensed
Practical Nurse (LPN) with the name Steven James Robeson. Not
for an RN (Registered Nurse) as would be common in California
for ER (Emergency Room) work. Agreed that there are differences
between states on medical organization/procedure but it is
UNLIKELY that "lower-ranking" nurses would be directly involved
with ER work.

Oh?

I used to WORK in hospitals in Southern California (Hoag Memorial,
Irvine Medical center) both of which employed LVN's (CA and TX use the
term LVN...The other 48 use "LPN")

[I know some medical people in California,
including two MDs, who say that is unlikely]

Unlikely in THIER facilites, perhaps.

Quite common elsewhere.

If the
-real- Gunny Robeson is K4YZ then this imposter is stealing both his
military history -and- his amateur status.

Not an idle matter for military. They DO have rather complete
information on military personnel and agencies who can investigate
fully.

Obviously not.

Neither of you seem to be able to utilize ANY system.

pea nut


Yes, you are, Lennie.

Steve, K4YZ

On 24 Aug 2005 14:44:41 -0700, "
wrote in
.com:

snip
Dudly LOVES uniforms. On himself. Scrubs, cammies, or a
one-piece "flight suit." Doesn't matter...as long as it
makes him look IMPORTANT. He be a "somebody."


Classic narcissism -- he thinks the uniform will command the respect
he thinks he deserves. And by looking through a few of his posts it
looks like he has a 'wannabe-hero' complex as well. But I really think
this newsgroup facade is just the tip of the iceberg. How much you
wanna bet he has a Crown Victoria with door-mounted spotlights and a
light bar in the trunk?


snip
If the
-real- Gunny Robeson is K4YZ then this imposter is stealing both his
military history -and- his amateur status.

Not an idle matter for military.


Certainly not. The Master Gunny I called up the other day was really
adamant about checking out Dudly's story.


snip
A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,


While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.


for example...the major change being in that old
military records were typed in by manual typists...as were old
government forms such as license certificates. It is almost
IMPOSSIBLE to fake/substitute/distort old books and periodicals
that were printed in thousands of identical copies and
distributed to subscribers, libraries, and stores. Nearly all
old documents can be scanned, digitized for distribution as
proof of something...or xerocopied at a nickel a page.


I have a microfiche copy of both my SRB and medical records. They were
sent to me after my final discharge. It's pretty hard to retouch a
hundred or so pages crammed onto a 4' x 5' negative.








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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:54:43 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
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snip
While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge").


Correction: I checked my own DD-214 and the 'edition' date is 1 JUL 79
and entitled "Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty".
So it has changed over the years but not much -- the only difference
is that they don't use it for transfers anymore.






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