On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
. com:

snip
Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."


Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.


snip
LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.


So do Marines.


snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)


My bad.


Can't help you on later editions. My single DD-214 form is dated
1 Jul 52 and was filled in at Fort Sheridan, IL, in February 1956.
Back then its title was "Report of Separation From the Armed Forces
of the United States."


One of Kerry's DD-214's (filled out 15 Dec. 66) was edition 1 NOV 55,
and states that it "replaces edition of 1 JUL 52". Looks like your
admin clerk took an extra-long Christmas vacation.....;-)


snip
I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.


Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.


snip
I have a microfiche copy of both my SRB and medical records. They were
sent to me after my final discharge. It's pretty hard to retouch a
hundred or so pages crammed onto a 4' x 5' negative.

Ow! Mass-reduction 'fiche! I'm used to the "IBM punch card 'fiche"
which have only one image on the card, for drawings...or the library
style 'fiche film reels, one newspaper-page-size image per frame.


The reels are bad enough, but the 4x5..... I can't even read it by
scanning it at 1200 dpi! I would have to take it to a photo shop and
have it enlarged.








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Frank of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
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snip
Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."

Of course we have over seven YEARS of Lennie's "remarks"
diminishing any/everyone who dared to "oppose" him...

Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

So Frank of Silliland shows us his true colors, not that it was
too much in doubt...

Funny how when Frank of Silliland came in here his FIRST posts
slammed Lennie as an "obvious fraud"...until it was pointed out that he
was talking about Lennie...

Frank wasn't even sure WHO he was "dissing".

Of course you make the sarcastic commetns about anyone who may
have something in support of me as being "Tweedle.."....

But I wonder where that leaves YOU IRT fighting Lennie's and
Mark's fights for them, Frank of Silliland...?!?! Afterall, that IS
your only purpose here.

snip
LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.

So do Marines.

So stop pretending to be something, Frank...

Put the Clancy novels away.

SNIP

snip
I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.

Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

Judging by your interactions with Lennie, I'd say that should be a
"Brown Nose" card. Being someone's yes-man isn't a USMC MOS, but I bet
you were good at it.

You seem to have it down pat here.

Steve, K4YZ

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
. com:

snip

Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."



Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.


snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.



So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and
let them know that he wasn't a Marine.



snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)



My bad.

....but just a few posts ago, a DD-214 (according to you) was for
transfers and made Steve guilty of something.


I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?

Dave K8MN

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
. com:

snip

Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."



Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.


What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.


snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.



So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and
let them know that he wasn't a Marine.


I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.


snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)



My bad.

...but just a few posts ago, a DD-214 (according to you) was for
transfers and made Steve guilty of something.


I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?


I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?


What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?







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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"



Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
ps.com:

snip

Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."



Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.



What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.

I'm beginning to understand how you came to make PFC over and over.
According to a CBer named Frank Gilliland, Steve was not a Marine and is
probably not a radio amateur. I see. *guffaw*



snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.



So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and
let them know that he wasn't a Marine.



I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.



snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)



My bad.

...but just a few posts ago, a DD-214 (according to you) was for
transfers and made Steve guilty of something.



I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers. It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.


I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?



What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.

That makes two of us.

The Sergant Major of the Marine Corps would fall off his chair
laughing at some silliness like that!

But of course Frank IS rom Silliland, so I bet he's used to it!

I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers. It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.

The ONLY DD-214's I received in the USMC were at re-enlistments
and my final -214.

The -214 is NOT a "transfer" document except to "transfer" from
Active Duty to severence or retirement.

I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?



What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

In other words Frankie wants you to back off so he and the Feeble
Five can "have at me" by them selves...Guess it TAKES five...

73

Steve, K4YZ

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"



Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
ups.com:

snip

Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."



Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.



What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.

I'm beginning to understand how you came to make PFC over and over.
According to a CBer named Frank Gilliland, Steve was not a Marine and is
probably not a radio amateur. I see. *guffaw*


No, I don't think you see at all; I'm saying that the person in this
newsgroup posting as N4YZ is not Gunnery Sergeant Steven J. Robeson,
USMC Retired. As far as I know it's you posting as K4YZ (seeing as how
you two tend to post at almost the same time of day).


snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.



So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and
let them know that he wasn't a Marine.



I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.


I really don't care what you believe, Dave.


snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)



My bad.

...but just a few posts ago, a DD-214 (according to you) was for
transfers and made Steve guilty of something.



I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers.


You may have some new information. What's the title and edition date
of -your- DD-214?


It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.


Interesting indeed.


I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?



What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.


Grow up.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :

I'm beginning to understand how you came to make PFC over and over.
According to a CBer named Frank Gilliland, Steve was not a Marine and is
probably not a radio amateur. I see. *guffaw*


No, I don't think you see at all; I'm saying that the person in this
newsgroup posting as N4YZ is not Gunnery Sergeant Steven J. Robeson,
USMC Retired.

No one here IS posting as N4YZ, Fankie.

As far as I know it's you posting as K4YZ (seeing as how
you two tend to post at almost the same time of day).

You're posting a the same time too, Frankie...

Maybe YOU are Dave, K8MN AND K4YZ...?!?!

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.

I really don't care what you believe, Dave.

You're responding to his posts...Obviously you DO care.

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers.

You may have some new information. What's the title and edition date
of -your- DD-214?

I imagine YOUR "information" is only as current as the last Clancy
novel you read.

It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.

Interesting indeed.

What's interesting about it?

I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?

What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Grow up.

Well HEAVEN FORBID that you'd actually answer a question instead of
trying to fan flamewars that you are only Johnny-come-lately too,
Frankie!

Steve, K4YZ

when you going to stop avoiding the question

most likely never
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :
cut
You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Grow up.

Well HEAVEN FORBID that you'd actually answer a question instead of
trying to fan flamewars that you are only Johnny-come-lately too,
Frankie!

why should or I for that matter answer your question

you don't answer answeringany yourself

Steve, K4YZ

Frank of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"

Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.

What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.

What we REALLY ahve here is some mealy-mouthed newsgroup mercenary
who thought he could through some 'nomenclature" around and impress
folks.

Didn't work.

Back to Silliland, frank.

snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.

So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You did nothing of the sort.

I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

You might as well draw a picture, Frankie...crayons or
watercolors?

In either case it will look as infantile as your efforts to
belittle MY service in the United States Marine Corps.

I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...

Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?

What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

Hey, YOU'RE the mercenary here, Frankie.

Steve, K4YZ