"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On 31 Aug 2005 11:11:52 -0700, "Bob" wrote in
.com:

Saw this morning a brief mention on Fox News about hams doing health
and welfare emergency traffic for New Orleans. "Only reliable
communications in the area". They showed a few ham transcievers, one
displaying a 70cm band frequency, another HF rig on 20 meters in the
phone subband.

This is the sort of disaster that ham radio handles well. Cell phones
are mostly out, as well as most any other comm system that needs
physical infrastructure to function.


I guess that means CB radios aren't working either, huh?




If a large area is devestated, one just might need a couple hundred mile
range 24/7. Even battery powered HTs through a repeater can get you 30 to
100 miles total between users. Hf rigs can supply you continuous coverage
24/7 from local to thousands of miles. You just select an appropriate
frequency (ranges of a few decades in frequency may be involved here).

There may be a lot more cbs, but if you can only get 10 or 20 miles and you
keep receiving skip from other stations far away running power ....


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:12:57 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On 31 Aug 2005 11:11:52 -0700, "Bob" wrote in
.com:

Saw this morning a brief mention on Fox News about hams doing health
and welfare emergency traffic for New Orleans. "Only reliable
communications in the area". They showed a few ham transcievers, one
displaying a 70cm band frequency, another HF rig on 20 meters in the
phone subband.

This is the sort of disaster that ham radio handles well. Cell phones
are mostly out, as well as most any other comm system that needs
physical infrastructure to function.


I guess that means CB radios aren't working either, huh?




If a large area is devestated, one just might need a couple hundred mile
range 24/7. Even battery powered HTs through a repeater can get you 30 to
100 miles total between users. Hf rigs can supply you continuous coverage
24/7 from local to thousands of miles. You just select an appropriate
frequency (ranges of a few decades in frequency may be involved here).

There may be a lot more cbs, but if you can only get 10 or 20 miles and you
keep receiving skip from other stations far away running power ....


I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?








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Frank Gilliland wrote:

I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?

Doesn't matter, cb is limited in it's useful range, not to mention all
the idiots screaming "ten fer thar" and "aaaaaauuuuuudddddddiiiiiioooo".
Name the range you want and ham radio can provide it by using the proper
band.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:16:21 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey
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Frank Gilliland wrote:

I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?

Doesn't matter, cb is limited in it's useful range,


And ham radio is limited in it's availability. What's your point?


not to mention all
the idiots screaming "ten fer thar" and "aaaaaauuuuuudddddddiiiiiioooo".


Oh, I'm sure that's happening quite a bit -- hundreds of thousands of
people taking time out from trying to find lost family members, food,
water, and a dry place to sleep, just to whoop it up on the CB.

Idiot.


Name the range you want and ham radio can provide it by using the proper
band.


Name the range and try to find a ham radio.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:16:21 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey
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Frank Gilliland wrote:


I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?

Doesn't matter, cb is limited in it's useful range,



And ham radio is limited in it's availability. What's your point?

So what does that have to do with communication range? Name the range
you want and there is a ham band that will provide it.


not to mention all
the idiots screaming "ten fer thar" and "aaaaaauuuuuudddddddiiiiiioooo".



Oh, I'm sure that's happening quite a bit -- hundreds of thousands of
people taking time out from trying to find lost family members, food,
water, and a dry place to sleep, just to whoop it up on the CB.

On a band full of screaming idiots yelling "ten fer thar", "git off my
channel", and "aaaaaaauuuuuuuudddddddiiiiiioooooo".

Idiot.

Yes they are.



Name the range you want and ham radio can provide it by using the proper
band.



Name the range and try to find a ham radio.

There are hams right now using HF/VHF/UHF frequencies to cover just
about any distance for emergency communications, so you point is?

I will use your term...idiot.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:18:13 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey
wrote in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:16:21 -0700, Cmdr Buzz corey
wrote in :


Frank Gilliland wrote:


I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?

Doesn't matter, cb is limited in it's useful range,



And ham radio is limited in it's availability. What's your point?

So what does that have to do with communication range? Name the range
you want and there is a ham band that will provide it.


What section of Part 47 declares the minimum range required for an
emergency radio communication? In fact, what section of Part 47
declares that -radio- is required for an emergency communication?


not to mention all
the idiots screaming "ten fer thar" and "aaaaaauuuuuudddddddiiiiiioooo".



Oh, I'm sure that's happening quite a bit -- hundreds of thousands of
people taking time out from trying to find lost family members, food,
water, and a dry place to sleep, just to whoop it up on the CB.

On a band full of screaming idiots yelling "ten fer thar", "git off my
channel", and "aaaaaaauuuuuuuudddddddiiiiiioooooo".


Gee, what a suprise -- you can't address the facts so you fill in the
blanks with what you -assume- to be happening. Show me what really
-is- happening and I might give your "argument" due consideration.


Idiot.

Yes they are.



Name the range you want and ham radio can provide it by using the proper
band.



Name the range and try to find a ham radio.

There are hams right now using HF/VHF/UHF frequencies to cover just
about any distance for emergency communications, so you point is?


The point is that you can't find a ham. CB radio covers local comm,
and LOCAL comm comprises the VAST MAJORITY of emergency communication.
There simply aren't enough hams to cover all the emergency comm they
claim to be able to cover. They might have the ability to play some
emergency-DX but they simply don't have the numbers..... NOR the
availability, NOR the ease of operation, NOR the licensing
requirements (or lack thereof), to handle what's required of a large
population in an emergency situation. Hammies might have gotten a warm
fuzzy from one news network, but -ALL- the news networks are showing
that things as simple as cardboard signs are -MORE EFFECTIVE- than ham
radio in such situations.


I will use your term...idiot.


The idiots are the hams manning their keys while people drown in their
own homes.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:



The point is that you can't find a ham. CB radio covers local comm,
and LOCAL comm comprises the VAST MAJORITY of emergency communication.

Which more than likely it won't be via cb, but ham radio UHF/VHF or
other services on UHF/VHF.

There simply aren't enough hams to cover all the emergency comm they
claim to be able to cover. They might have the ability to play some
emergency-DX but they simply don't have the numbers.


And 10,000 idiot cbers all shouting "ten fer thar", and
"aaaaaauuuuuudddddiiiiiooo" all over 11 meters is a large number of
idiots with radios, but of no help at all.


The idiots are the hams manning their keys while people drown in their
own homes.

At least they are helping in a way they are capable. So you want them to
paddle out on their radios to save someone? And what are you doing while
people drown? Anything? Didn't think so.

Frank Gilliland wrote:



The idiots are the hams manning their keys while people drown in their
own homes.


These "idiot" hams helped save more than a "dozen people". And please
notice that they weren't all in the local area either, as in Portland,
Ore., and Utah.

Washington Post:
Communications Networks Fail Disaster Area Residents

"But he spoke to a fellow ham in Portland, Ore., who found another
operator in Utah who was finally able to reach operators in Louisiana.
The radio operators in Louisiana got word to emergency personnel, who
rescued more than a dozen people in the house, including Hayes's
81-year-old aunt."


So how many people have you and your cb saved frankie?

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:12:57 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
wrote in :


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On 31 Aug 2005 11:11:52 -0700, "Bob" wrote in
.com:

Saw this morning a brief mention on Fox News about hams doing health
and welfare emergency traffic for New Orleans. "Only reliable
communications in the area". They showed a few ham transcievers, one
displaying a 70cm band frequency, another HF rig on 20 meters in the
phone subband.

This is the sort of disaster that ham radio handles well. Cell phones
are mostly out, as well as most any other comm system that needs
physical infrastructure to function.


I guess that means CB radios aren't working either, huh?




If a large area is devestated, one just might need a couple hundred mile
range 24/7. Even battery powered HTs through a repeater can get you 30 =
to
100 miles total between users. Hf rigs can supply you continuous covera=
ge
24/7 from local to thousands of miles. You just select an appropriate
frequency (ranges of a few decades in frequency may be involved here).

There may be a lot more cbs, but if you can only get 10 or 20 miles and =
you
keep receiving skip from other stations far away running power ....


I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?

150 miles is the max legal CB range (a very stupid rule BTW) but in an
emergency anything goes that works









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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:12:57 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On 31 Aug 2005 11:11:52 -0700, "Bob" wrote in
.com:

Saw this morning a brief mention on Fox News about hams doing health
and welfare emergency traffic for New Orleans. "Only reliable
communications in the area". They showed a few ham transcievers, one
displaying a 70cm band frequency, another HF rig on 20 meters in the
phone subband.

This is the sort of disaster that ham radio handles well. Cell phones
are mostly out, as well as most any other comm system that needs
physical infrastructure to function.


I guess that means CB radios aren't working either, huh?




If a large area is devestated, one just might need a couple hundred mile
range 24/7. Even battery powered HTs through a repeater can get you 30
to
100 miles total between users. Hf rigs can supply you continuous
coverage
24/7 from local to thousands of miles. You just select an appropriate
frequency (ranges of a few decades in frequency may be involved here).

There may be a lot more cbs, but if you can only get 10 or 20 miles and
you
keep receiving skip from other stations far away running power ....


I never knew there was a minimum range for emergency communications.
So how far does a radio wave have to go in order to get this
distinction? A couple hundred miles? More than 10 or 20 miles? Is
there some FCC rule that defines this distance?

150 miles is the max legal CB range (a very stupid rule BTW) but in an
emergency anything goes that works

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In disasters, the real problem is not the rules but the nature of radio wave
propagation on the 11 meter band (as well as the similar 10m and 12m ham
bands). You can get close in (10 to 20 miles) via line of site or you get
skip out to thousands of miles via ionospheric propagation when the solar
flux is high enough. However the intermediate distances of a few hundred
miles just are not going to be covered unless you are lucky enough to get
some uncommon propagation modes like backscatter.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE