wrote:
Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency. Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure. Hams are there and are producing. The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:


AMATEUR HIGH-FREQUENCY GULF COAST HURRICANE NETS

03845.0 LSB Gulf Coast West Hurricane
03862.5 LSB Mississippi Section Traffic
03873.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
03873.0 LSB Louisiana ARES Emergency (night)
03873.0 LSB Texas ARES Emergency (night)
03873.0 LSB Mississippi ARES Emergency
03910.0 LSB Mississippi ARES
03910.0 LSB Louisiana Traffic
03923.0 LSB Mississippi ARES
03925.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
03925.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency (altn)
03935.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
03935.0 LSB Louisiana ARES (health & welfare)
03935.0 LSB Texas ARES (health & welfare)
03935.0 LSB Mississippi ARES (health & welfare)
03935.0 LSB Alabama Emergency
03940.0 LSB Southern Florida Emergency
03950.0 LSB Northern Florida Emergency
03955.0 LSB South Texas Emergency
03965.0 LSB Alabama Emergency (altn)
03967.0 LSB Gulf Coast (outgoing traffic)
03975.0 LSB Texas RACES
03993.5 LSB Gulf Coast (health & welfare)
03995.0 LSB Gulf Coast Wx

07225.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
07235.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency
07235.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
07235.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency
07240.0 LSB American Red Cross US Gulf Coast Disaster
07240.0 LSB Texas Emergency
07243.0 LSB Alabama Emergency
07245.0 LSB Southern Louisiana
07248.0 LSB Texas RACES
07250.0 LSB Texas Emergency
07260.0 LSB Gulf Coast West Hurricane
07264.0 LSB Gulf Coast (health & welfare)
07265.0 LSB Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio (SATERN) (altn)
07273.0 LSB Texas ARES (altn)
07280.0 LSB NTS Region 5
07280.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency (altn)
07283.0 LSB Gulf Coast (outgoing only)
07285.0 LSB West Gulf ARES Emergency (day)
07285.0 LSB Louisiana ARES Emergency (day)
07285.0 LSB Mississippi ARES Emergency
07285.0 LSB Texas ARES Emergency (day)
07290.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
07290.0 LSB Gulf Coast Wx
07290.0 LSB Texas ARES (health & welfare)
07290.0 LSB Louisiana ARES (health & welfare) (day)
07290.0 LSB Texas ARES (health & welfare)
07290.0 LSB Mississippi ARES (health & welfare)

14265.0 USB Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio (SATERN) (health &
welfare) 14300.0 USB Intercontinental Traffic
14300.0 USB Maritime Mobile Service
14303.0 USB International Assistance & Traffic
14313.0 USB Intercontinental Traffic (altn)
14313.0 USB Maritime Mobile Service (altn)
14316.0 USB Health & Welfare
14320.0 USB Health & Welfare
14325.0 USB Hurricane Watch (Amateur-to-National Hurricane Center)
14340.0 USB Louisiana (1900)

You'll find FEMA, other USG and NGO operations at:

Hurricane Katrina HF Response and Recovery Frequencies

02802.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-91) **

03171.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-92) **

05136.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-93) **
05141.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-94) **
05211.0 USB FEMA
05236.0 USB SHARES Coordination Network (nationwide HF voice coordination)

06859.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-95) **

07507.0 USB USN/USCG hurricane net (pri)

07550.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-96 - primary) **
07698.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-97) **

09380.0 USB USN/USCG hurricane net (sec)

10493.0 USB FEMA

14396.5 USB SHARES Coordination Network (nationwide HF voice coordination)

** Type-accepted equipment and an issued US FCC license are required to
transmit on Red Cross frequencies

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Aug 31, 8:25 pm


wrote:

Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency.

...and you are still mad as heil and can't take it anymore. :-)

Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure.

...and you are there, reporting for ARRL Eyewitless News?

Of course you are, and nearly totally collapsed yourself in
this mighty Herculean Effort to TELL ME OFF! :-)

Hams are there and are producing.

They've set up a factory?!? What are they making? Floating
Ten-Tecs?

The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:

...and so has NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News teams, duly reporting
LIVE from the scene. Ahem, millions of us viewers around the
country have seen those news broadcasts. Was amateur radio
handling their LIVE feeds from the disaster areas? Was amateur
radio manning those antenna-laden Humvees of the NG?

Lissen-up Davie-boy: PARTS of New Orleans are TOTALLY under
water. That INCLUDES ham residences and probably some ham
equipped vehicles (hard to tell when the tops are under water).
EVERYTHING went under in some of that flooding...but NOT
everywhere, obviously from the news reports on TV.

Davie-boy, I didn't say anything "against" amateur radio as a
service, or anything nasty to the CITIZEN volunteers (ham or
not) who are busy "producing" on-the-scene.

I'm tossing stuff at INDIVIDUAL "commentators" in here. If you
got somebody else's ripe tomato, TS for you. You throw them
at me all time...I'll save some extra-ripe ones for you, OK?

I have nothing but PRAISE for INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS WHO
VOLUNTEER TO HELP fellow citizens in a disaster. Been there
myself in this part of the country and don't want to see
another.

Now, get on with YOUR on-the-spot "aid" by tossing nastygrams
at all who don't accept the myths and morsemyths about amateur
radio. You seem to be obsessed with nastygramming all who
disagree with you. Are you a Dudly-the-Pretender Wannabe?

Meanwhile, NPRM 05-143 was before the FCC and the public
before Katrina had grown to acquire a NOAA name for it.
That NPRM might cause the utter destruction of Ham Radio
As You Know It! Don't worry. The newcomers will get a Heil
Help Net working just for you...someday...and ease your
obvious Pain and Discomfort of whatever ails your psyche.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 31, 8:25 pm



wrote:


Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency.


...and you are still mad as heil and can't take it anymore. :-)

I can see where a guy who operates like you do would come to that
erroneous conclusion. It'd be sort of like the ARRL conspiracy to keep
things from being published in the Federal Register. :-) :-)


Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure.


...and you are there, reporting for ARRL Eyewitless News?

I am?

Of course you are, and nearly totally collapsed yourself in
this mighty Herculean Effort to TELL ME OFF! :-)

Telling you off is pretty easy. You invariably get things wrong. :-)

Hams are there and are producing.


They've set up a factory?!? What are they making? Floating
Ten-Tecs?

What are they making? They're making you look like you don't know what
you're talking about--again.

The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:


...and so has NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News teams, duly reporting
LIVE from the scene. Ahem, millions of us viewers around the
country have seen those news broadcasts.

Thanks for another masterful statement of the obvious.

Was amateur radio
handling their LIVE feeds from the disaster areas?

I thought you knew all about amateur radio and what it is and does.
Do you mean that you think amateur radio is a commercial broadcasting
endeavor?

Was amateur
radio manning those antenna-laden Humvees of the NG?

Do you think that amateur radio is the military?

Lissen-up Davie-boy: PARTS of New Orleans are TOTALLY under
water.

No, you listen up, Lennie-old-boy: Better than 80% of New Orleans is
under water.

That INCLUDES ham residences and probably some ham
equipped vehicles (hard to tell when the tops are under water).
EVERYTHING went under in some of that flooding...but NOT
everywhere, obviously from the news reports on TV.

You must not be paying much attention to those live news reports from
the area. The telephone system and cellular phones are down. From your
past comments on emergencies, *that just can't happen*, but it did.

Davie-boy, I didn't say anything "against" amateur radio as a
service, or anything nasty to the CITIZEN volunteers (ham or
not) who are busy "producing" on-the-scene.

You've certainly done so a number of times in the past.

I'm tossing stuff at INDIVIDUAL "commentators" in here.

What else is new? :-) :-)

If you
got somebody else's ripe tomato, TS for you. You throw them
at me all time...I'll save some extra-ripe ones for you, OK?

I've corrected one of your frequent factual errors.

I have nothing but PRAISE for INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS WHO
VOLUNTEER TO HELP fellow citizens in a disaster. Been there
myself in this part of the country and don't want to see
another.

Well, Mister "Nothing-but-praise", you've commented on a number of
emergency situations and have discounted accounts of amateur radio
participation. Yet there the hams are. I've listened to a number of
nets this evening on 75m. There is emergency traffic being passed.
There is health and welfare traffic being passed. As time goes by,
we'll hear accounts of the local VHF operations and the parts they played.

Now, get on with YOUR on-the-spot "aid" by tossing nastygrams
at all who don't accept the myths and morsemyths about amateur
radio.

My direct assistance from here isn't needed at all. We've already
passed health and welfare traffic on the West Virginia Phone Net,
beginning last evening. NTS is working well. It isn't a myth. Neither
is the list of active nets which I posted here. What is a myth is that
you are somehow involved in amateur radio.


You seem to be obsessed with nastygramming all who
disagree with you. Are you a Dudly-the-Pretender Wannabe?

You and Frank haven't yet discovered how to spell "Dudley". That hasn't
stopped your usual name calling.

Fire up your trusty R-70, Len, and you may be able to listen to some of
what amateur radio ops are doing toward assisting the hurricane victims.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...

[snip]


My direct assistance from here isn't needed at all. We've already passed
health and welfare traffic on the West Virginia Phone Net, beginning last
evening. NTS is working well. It isn't a myth. Neither is the list of
active nets which I posted here. What is a myth is that you are somehow
involved in amateur radio.


Yes we've started to receive health and welfare traffic into our area. One
of the members of the net had the great satisfaction last night of being
able to deliver a message to let someone know that their relatives were OK.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dave Heil wrote:

the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the
commercial communications infrastructure.

Worse than that - most of the infrastructure of any kind has collapsed.
Power is off, water and sewage out of action, roads
blocked by water, bridges collapsed.

Mississippi appears to have gotten hit even worse, with some
communities simply wiped out completely. New Orleans is getting more
news coverage in part because it's a city, and in part
because it's still under water due to being below sea level.

The big picture is still incomplete because some areas are still
completely cut off.

Nobody really knows how many are dead, but estimates of 1000
or more are the current level. At least half a million people
were made homeless.

It will be weeks or months before survivors can be allowed
back into the New Orleans area - assuming the water can be pumped out.
Much of what is still standing will have been so damaged by long-term
immersion that it will have to be knocked down.

Hams are there and are producing. The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but
amateur radio volunteers are already on the job

Some organizations in need of support:

American Red Cross
www.redcross.org
800-HELP NOW (435-7669) English,
800-257-7575 Spanish

Operation Blessing
www.ob.org
800-436-6348

America's Second Harvest
www.secondharvest.org
800-344-8070


Make a donation and volunteer at the following: (Use the phone to make
your
donation if the Web sites are deluged.)

Adventist Community Services
www.adventist.communityservices.org
800-381-7171

Catholic Charities USA
www.catholiccharitiesusa.org
800-919-9338

Christian Disaster Response
www.cdresponse.org
941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
www.crwrc.org
800-848-5818

Church World Service
www.churchworldservice.org
800-297-1516

Convoy of Hope
www.convoyofhope.org
417-823-8998

Lutheran Disaster Response
www.ldr.org
800-638-3522

Mennonite Disaster Service
www.mds.mennonite.net
717-859-2210

Nazarene Disaster Response
www.nazarenedisasterresponse.org
888-256-5886

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
www.pcusa.org
800-872-3283

Salvation Army
www.salvationarmyusa.org
800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief
www.namb.net
800-462-8657, ext. 6440

United Jewish Communities
www.ujc.org
877-277-2477

United Methodist Committee on Relief
www.gbgm-umc.org
800-554-8583

(Use the phone to make your donation if the Web sites are deluged.)

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency. Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure. Hams are there and are producing. The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:


and indeed the article in the washington post (
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...083102656.html
) prove Len correct

text messaging system are there plugging allong with the hams

remainder cut to save BW

an_old_friend wrote:
) prove Len correct

text messaging system are there plugging allong with the hams

You seem to indicate that text messages can magically access the system
when voice cannot. If you can't access the network for voice you can't
access it for text messages either. The only reason they are using text
messaging, where they can get a signal which is very spotty, is because
text is sent in small packets thus saving batteries and ties up the
network less.

"Mobile-phone providers said their service was *severely limited*, at
best, in New Orleans and along the Mississippi coast, and they
encouraged people to use text messages instead of making voice calls.
Text messages are sent in small "packets" of data, using less bandwidth
to get through overloaded lines more easily."

If the cell network is down, so is text messaging.

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
) prove Len correct

text messaging system are there plugging allong with the hams

You seem to indicate that text messages can magically access the system
when voice cannot. If you can't access the network for voice you can't
access it for text messages either. The only reason they are using text
messaging, where they can get a signal which is very spotty, is because
text is sent in small packets thus saving batteries and ties up the
network less.

No I did not indicate it, the washington post reported it


"Mobile-phone providers said their service was *severely limited*, at
best, in New Orleans and along the Mississippi coast, and they
encouraged people to use text messages instead of making voice calls.
Text messages are sent in small "packets" of data, using less bandwidth
to get through overloaded lines more easily."

If the cell network is down, so is text messaging.

but if text messaging is getting through then the system is not down

It's likely only a few lines are functioning, so a low bandwidth method
like text messaging would be perferred. So more users can make use of
the limited bandwidth.