Frank Gilliland wrote:


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular


Dumber than a bowl of dirt.
--
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure. \

Everyone can't be there, nor does everyone need to be there, to help.
Communications is just another way of helping. So what have you and your
wonderful SeeBee radio done to help frankie? Have you pulled anyone out
of the water, gave them food, medicine, fisrt aid? Didn't think so, nor
have you even helped in any other way.

Are you, leennieboy, and an_old_idiot related by chance?

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:00:16 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.


Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so be
it.


It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping. I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.


Yet -AGAIN- your communications deficit (i.e, ignorance) is dripping
all over your bib. I'm not against ham radio and I'm not demeaning
anything that hams are doing to help with this disaster. What I -AM-
against is blow-hards like you who can't wait until the bodies are
cold before you declare yourselves to be heros.

Now, what part of that didn't you understand -this- time? Or should I
ask the kid next door to translate it down to a third-grade level so
you -can- understand it?


Don't bother coming back with another attack on me.


.... by golly, NOW you're catching on! So you -can- see that I'm
attacking you and -not- the hams that actually -deserve- praise for
their efforts. Just like I have said half a dozen times already, it's
all about -YOU- and your screwed up values, Dan!


You just continue to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this charade?


What charade? I've already proved who I am to K4YZ and everyone else
who witnessed his meltdown. If you are accusing me of being someone
else then -you- are demonstrating -your- ignorance, not me.


What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.


So begins yet another 'truth-by-repetition' campaign.....

It doesn't seem to matter that I've told the truth about -everything-
I've said about myself, and have even provided -proof- that I've told
the truth..... yet I have no credibility with -anyone- because -you-
make some open-ended declaration calling me a fraud? LOL! You are just
as egocentric as K4YZ!









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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
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It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping.

No you are struting becuase you decided to blow your own horn, in
addition to showing pride in the ARS

And your point is? Hey...if you are so ashamed of ham radio...why dont y=
ou
just turn in your license? I think that's a great idea actually.

you must be using the same drugs as stevie

I am not ashamed of Ham radio I am ashamed you are Ham

you being a raicsit and bully and bragart



I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.

Don't bother coming back with another attack on me. You just continue =
to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this chara=
de?
What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what =
you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.

Obviously you are at least concerned by what he says meaning you
suspect at least some one is believing
=20
Prehaps deep down one of those persons is YOU

Dan/W4NTI

Frank Gilliland wrote:

Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory,

I think the hams have something to brag about. They have "stepped up to
the plate" and are doing in fine tradition what they have done *many*
times in the past. Hooray for ham radio!!! What have you and your weenie
little SeeBee done frankieboy? Are you headed for the gulf coast to help
out? No, you just set on your sorry butt and complaine about those that
are doing something.


And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?


How old are you to be so jealous of a group that is using their time,
talents, equipment and their own money to help provide much needed
communications in this disaster. Like I said, dumber than a bowl of dirt.

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.

in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.

Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere

Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:04:07 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:20:03 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:49 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?


Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory, Dan:

brag -- v. [OFr, 'braguer'], to boast. n. 1. a boast; boasting. 2. a
person or thing boasted of. 3. a braggart.

braggart -- n. an offensively boastful person.

And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?

I'm old enough to know an ignorant SOB when I see one. YOU.


But apparently not old enough to address your personal issues and
refrain from grade-school rhetoric. I most certainly am an SOB, but
you write the book when it comes to ignorance. It's not your fault
that your parents didn't teach you how there is a time for bragging
and a time for condolence. But after being gone from the nest for how
long now..... 40 years?..... you should have learned such basic moral
principles on your own. Your -only- excuse is ignorance. Isn't it
about time you grew up?


I've been out of the nest since 1964. I was shooting gooks before you were
born. Which was the same year, right?


Maybe I should rephrase that: Isn't it about time you let your
emotional age catch up with your physical age?


Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.


Oh boy, now you spin political! I -love- arguing politics! So are you
a Bush supporter? or do you think there should be an amendment to the
Constitution that guarantees every citizen the right to vote?


I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.


Aw, gee, and just as I was beginning to think that you were starting
to get a clue..... IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, DAN!!!








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:04:07 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.


Oh boy, now you spin political! I -love- arguing politics! So are you
a Bush supporter? or do you think there should be an amendment to the
Constitution that guarantees every citizen the right to vote?

amusing that he assumes you are left wing indeed he assumes I am

I voted for bush becuase I agree with more than I disagree and I agree
with alot more than I agreed with Bore or Kerry


I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.


Aw, gee, and just as I was beginning to think that you were starting
to get a clue..... IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, DAN!!!

say it isn't so please tell that you were thinking Dan has a usable
mind

and I had such respect for you

wrote:


Amateur radio is a HOBBY, a personal activity involving
transmission of RF energy communications for recreation as a fun
avocation.

And has been used, from it's beginning, by these "hobbists" to provide
assistance, including the saving of many lives, in times of disaster,
not just in the U.S., but all over the world. A tradition that continues
even as we type. Amateur radio has long been recgonized by government
agencies as well as by the public for their dedicated service in time of
crisis, giving of their time, equipment, all at their own expense to aid
others. Various Presidents have released statements of the service that
ham radio has played in emergency communications. Have they ever
mentioned you or frankieboy?

At times, this personal "hobby" radio has been the *only* communication
into or out of a disaster area, until commercial services could be
restored. Because of ham radio's tradition of providing reliable
emergency communications in disaster situations it is and has long been
included in official emergency plans at the local, state, and federal
levels. Something no other "hobby" radio service can claim.

Ham radio has a lot to brag about, even it it does get up your's,
frankieboy's and an_old_what-ever-he-is noses.

Too bad for you, but that's just the way it is.
It has always been so since the beginning of government
regulated radio 93 years ago. It is called a "service" because
that is the regulatory term used by the FCC for all U.S. civil
radio to denote a type and kind of radio being regulated.



Sending health and welfare messages does NOT supply BASIC NEEDS
to disaster victims, doesn't give them food, shelter, hygiene
facilities, medical aid, or anything else but some slight emotional
sustenance.

And it is often ham radio communications that help coordinate these
BASIC NEEDS. There are professionals, like the Red Cross, who know how
to get these basic needs to victums. Ham radio often aids the Red Cross
and other agencies in doing just that by providing essential
communications when other communication links are not functioning.
Hams never said they were going to rush into a disaster area with a jug
of wine and loaf of bread to feed the 5,000. You must be an idiot (no
your are an idiot) if you think that everything can be put right if
everyone just rushes in without any support from others outside the
affected area. The hams say, "you need communications, we are here to
help", and that's what the do and do it well. Sorry it bytes your butt
so bad, but that's the facts of life lennieboy.

And by the way, those health and welfare messages are very important to
both the victums and the families of a disaster.

Once this snack bite of emotion is satisfied, the
victims are still stuck with BASIC NEEDS that aren't satisfied by
some radio messages. Health and welfare messages do NOT reach into
the disaster center where the majority of victims are. Health and
welfare messages to distant family and friends usually "travels"
on the existing infrastructure of public communications that was
not affected by any disaster. Health and welfare messages don't
transport homeless victims to dry shelter over almost-impassible
flooded roadways. But, some of the carriers of a FEW health and
welfare messages think they are the next thing to those who can
walk on water, those who perform miracles, and other vainglorious
accomplishments.

ORDINARY CITIZENS can do much for disaster victims in their own
way by whatever means work for them. Few ordinary citizens want
"name recognition" for themselves or gratuitous praise heaped on
them for minor assistance efforts. They do it because they are
human and want to help fellow humans victimized by a disaster.
Tens of thousands, perhaps more, are doing that already. They
aren't USING what they do in order to heap praise upon themselves.
They just do it and that's that.

But, in HERE, we've got those who grab the banners of praise and
wrap it around themselves and parrot the feel-good phrases of the
clubs "Ham radio is showing what it's good for!" as if that were
the sole purpose of creation of that radio service. It wasn't.
Public Safety Radio Services were created for that and more and
have been as busy as possible, working without fanfare or big
signs of "look at me, I'm a hero" on their T-shirts.

So, somebody passes some health and welfare messages on a Net.
Clap, clap, mild applause. Their medals and certificates of valor
are in the mail. Not to worry, a big membership organization will
compose the sagas that will become legend in history. All those
Net members are automatic HEROES for passing messages and then
passing gas about their Wonderful Good Works. Clap, clap.

All who call their passing gas as vainglorious are labeled
"haters of ham radio" in order to end any and all discussion.
The HOBBY must remain "heroic." Clap, clap.

Yes it should and will remain "heroic" because of the role it plays in
times of disasters.

Yet you are so quick to brag about all your so-called communications
accomplishments, yet I doubt you could even find the on/off swithc on a
transmitter. Just having once leaned up against an Army communications
van while you were taking a break from picking up cigarette butts on the
base didn't make you the communications expert you seem to think you are
lennieboy. So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:36:22 -0400, "Dee Flint"
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Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.


I'll celebrate my efforts when the people that are being devastated by
this disaster can celebrate their's. I do that out of respect for
those who have died or will die soon, and for those who have lost
their family, their homes, or both. Is a little respect too much to
ask? Or are you all too busy filling out forms to secure your places
in the Hurricane Hero Parade?








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