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Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the
other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.

in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.

There's always donations needed.


Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere


I check into the SE Michigan Traffic Net a couple of times a week. If you
will look in the ARRL directory, there are quite a few VHF nets listed for
Michigan.

Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


No that double standard exists only in your own interpretations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI


Dan is using vulgarity not profanity. They are NOT the same thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

**** that asshole Dan.

What's that?

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WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI


Dan is using vulgarity not profanity. They are NOT the same thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

**** that asshole Dan.

What's that?


Vulgarity. And if you are also appealing to prurient interest, it can
additionally be obscenity.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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First you wrote:


...Ain't no
one thumping chests here.



Immediately followed by:



I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made
the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio.



Hypocrite.



If you don't like it. Gent
bent



It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to
happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the
plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can
feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud.

You're statement is more than stupid. I know of no one, radio amateur
or not, who wanted such a tragedy to take place.

Get some perspective you sick expletive deleted.

Wow! It is difficult to believe that one who thinks the way you do,
could accept that it is you who needs the perspective.

Dave K8MN

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From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal
opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions
contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done.



This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt. Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really want.
I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had no
"real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications was
handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will be
done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands or a
mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it not.
Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be established
like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of articles on TV and
radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry King Live mentioned!
The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but the viability of Amateur
Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's communications infrastructure,
which it is HAS been since the beginning. Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it
is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in
anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the
phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying
messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that
respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter know
that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or
receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any other
way!

J

From: Cmdr Buzz Corey on Sep 4, 8:55 pm


wrote:

Amateur radio is a HOBBY, a personal activity involving
transmission of RF energy communications for recreation as a fun
avocation.

Yet you are so quick to brag about all your so-called communications
accomplishments, yet I doubt you could even find the on/off swithc on a
transmitter.

"It ain't braggin' if ya done it."

By the way, I also know how to spell "switch" properly. :-)

Technically, I would rate your "swithc" [sic] as an NPNT
(No Pole No Throw).

Just having once leaned up against an Army communications
van while you were taking a break from picking up cigarette butts on the
base didn't make you the communications expert you seem to think you are
lennieboy.

http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...s/My3Years.pdf

I've never claimed to be an "expert" in communications 50 years
ago, buzziebaby. That was just my START in HF communications.
Even though my battalion back then had a dozen or so AN/GRC-26s
(field radio HUT on a TRUCK, not a "van"), I never had to know
or operate manual radiotelegraphy then or since in a career in
aerospace electronics in southern California, transmitting legally
on parts of the EM spectrum ranging from LF on past UHF to 25 GHz.

So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?

Tsk, another MOTIVE MAVEN "challenging" others! :-)

I've joined some neighbors in contributing monetary aid through
a local entertainment guild fund-raising program. Some of us
have never been IN movies or TV but we know the guilds and the
good people in them. Los Angeles is a hub of movie and TV
production...which you SHOULD KNOW WELL seeing as you were born
in two-dimensional black-and-white on television in the 1950s,
"Commander Buzz Corey of the Space Patrol!" Geez, if Ed Kemmer
ever knew what would happen to his portrayal of that fictional
character by pompous wannabe space cadets, he might have gotten
a different acting job.

Tell us again how YOU helped the disaster victims by posing as
"Commander Buzz Corey of the Space Patrol!" of the 1950s, and
without EVER identifying yourself as anything but a two-dimensional
fictitious character on the boob tube a half century ago.

From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 4, 3:17 pm

You are one large pathetic example of a ham radio operator. You sit there
and badmouth not just me, but every one of the thousands of hams that are,
or will be, directly involved in this emergence. You self admit that your
just a tech and don't see anything you can do on radio, what am I to do?
Feel sorry for you and your tech ticket? ITS NOT ABOUT YOU. Then you turn
it all around and make it look like I, the messenger of a good thing, am
bragging.

Yes, you are...

You sir are not just a idiot but a disgrace. Turn in your license and shut
your stupid face.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...Judge Miccolis is even now convening a Court of
Inquiry about you telling someone to "SHUT UP!!!" :-)


Well, the meaning is certainly clear. Disagree with Jeswald and
THOSE ALL *HATE* HAM RADIO!!!


Rational discussion RIP. Dumb tacet clamate.

wrote:
From: Cmdr Buzz Corey on Sep 4, 8:55 pm

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So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?

Tsk, another MOTIVE MAVEN "challenging" others! :-)

and if you answer them then the flames realy begin

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So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?

Tsk, another MOTIVE MAVEN "challenging" others! :-)

and if you answer them then the flames realy begin

"Commander Buzz Corey of the Space Patrol!" still seems ****ed that
his TV got cancelled in the 1950s. No wonder he's ANGRY! :-)

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Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the
other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others
can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.

in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.

There's always donations needed.


Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere


I check into the SE Michigan Traffic Net a couple of times a week. If you
will look in the ARRL directory, there are quite a few VHF nets listed for
Michigan.

Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


No that double standard exists only in your own interpretations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I can see now I am fighting with a mental case. Here is a suggestion "old
friend" START a VHF NET. Get some stations with HF capabilities to link
with the HF network. There you are....your now in the system. Don't know
how to do it? Don't trust my advice? Check with ARRL.org. DOn't trust
them either probably.

EXACTLY what some firebrands did in this part of Alabama. They started
their own V/Uhf system. And it is a fabulous success. Oh...is that
bragging again?

Dan/W4NTI