wrote:
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm


I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.


"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.


7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.


Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

And your point is? So you think they have to be inudated with flood
waters before they can be of service? You are a real piece of work
lennieboy.


I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.


Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

And? So you think it is only valid emergency comms if she goes to
someplace under water. Why wouldn't an amateur station be set up on DRY
land. Would you set one up under water?...yeah, you probably would try.


Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.


That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

So you seem to have a problem with the "partly" part. Really grinds your
butt that the hams are carrying on the fine tradition they have been
known for for decades, that of helping to provide emergency
communications in times of disaster, which they are very good at.

Poor lennieboy, can only stand on the sidelines and look on and trash
that which he can't be a part of. Maybe frankieboy will come put his arm
around you for comfort and you two can commiserate together.

wrote:

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

FOX30
WAWS
Ham Radio operators provide early communication after storm
Last Update: 8/30/2005 9:45:19 AM

The technology has been around for close to 100 years, and during
natural disaster like Hurricane Katrina, it could be one of the most
reliable forms of communication.

“Ham radio” operators may soon be helping in the recovery effort during
the cleanup phase of Katrina relief. Even after a storm like Katrina,
operators in the gulf states can be back on the air delivering important
information immediately.

Allen Jones is an amateur emergency radio operator in St., Johns County.
While wind and rain can cut other forms of communication, Jones says ham
radio operators can be back on the air in no time. Most have back-up
generators and just need to put antennas back up that have been taken out.

Jones and others like him worked out of shelters during last year’s
hurricanes, making sure messages got out. For Katrina, Jones has already
tried to help a friend who couldn’t get in touch with a family member in
hurricane ravaged Gulfport, Mississippi. Getting that important update
may mean reaching out to several other operators along the way.

“They'll spread the word,” says Jones. “Somebody will know that person,
and they'll find that person.”

Allen says there are 35 ham operators on his emergency communication
team in St. Johns County. He'll soon learn if any of them will be needed
to operate radio equipment where hurricane Katrina struck.

Ham operators hope to get a digital link set up at hospitals and the EOC
in St. Johns County. That way, prescriptions and other important
information can be printed and available to shelters.


WLOX managers suggest the best way to find news of friends and family is
through HAM radio operators. There is a HAM radio operator stationed at
WLOX; call sign is WX5AAA.

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From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal
opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions
contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done.



This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt. Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really want.
I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had no
"real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications was
handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will be
done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands or a
mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it not.
Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be established
like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of articles on TV and
radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry King Live mentioned!
The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but the viability of Amateur
Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's communications infrastructure,
which it is HAS been since the beginning. Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it
is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in
anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the
phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying
messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that
respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter know
that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or
receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any other
way!

J

"Jerry" wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal
opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions
contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done.



This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing
reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt.
Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had
to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of
us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really
want. I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had
no "real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications
was handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will
be done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands
or a mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it
not. Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be
established like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of
articles on TV and radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry
King Live mentioned! The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but
the viability of Amateur Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's
communications infrastructure, which it is HAS been since the beginning.
Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it
is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in
anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the
phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying
messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that
respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter
know that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or
receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any
other way!

J



At the probability of getting accused, again, of boasting.....I am happy to
read of the success of the chopper flights.

The Alabama Emergency Net responded to a extremely weak station requesting
to contact Tallahassee Fla hospital and ask them to come up on VHF. We
passed it via several relays.

Then heard nothing more. I sincerely hope we helped in a little way.

Dan/W4NTI 3965

Jerry wrote:

This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt. Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really want.
I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had no
"real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications was
handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will be
done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands or a
mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it not.
Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be established
like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of articles on TV and
radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry King Live mentioned!
The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but the viability of Amateur
Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's communications infrastructure,
which it is HAS been since the beginning. Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it
is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in
anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the
phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying
messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that
respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter know
that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or
receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any other
way!

J



Jerry:

What we have here are three individuals that: (1) two of them are either
too dumb or too lazy to have every gotten a ham license, thus they are
on the outside looking in, and they see what ham radio can do in
assisting in emergencies and they can't be a part of it so it really
chaps their butt, and (2) the other, who claims to be a ham is nothing
more than a do-nothing baby, who just crys and whines about what others
are doing because he is either too stupid or too lazy to do something
himself.

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Jerry wrote:

This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing
reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war
zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in
this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt.
Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had
to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of
us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really
want. I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio
had no "real" part in emergency operations and that most such
communications was handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada,
Yada. Much will be done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending
backs and hands or a mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by
Morse; much of it not. Some will handled by satellite and other data
links as can be established like the gentlemen in the article. I am
seeing PLENTY of articles on TV and radio about hams in the thick of the
action--Even Larry King Live mentioned! The crux of your angst was not
the Morse issue, but the viability of Amateur Radio itself as a vital
part of our nation's communications infrastructure, which it is HAS been
since the beginning. Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but
it is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation
in anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until
the phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or
relaying messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST
amateurs that respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting
a daughter know that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without
expecting or receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't
have it any other way!

J



Jerry:

What we have here are three individuals that: (1) two of them are either
too dumb or too lazy to have every gotten a ham license, thus they are on
the outside looking in, and they see what ham radio can do in assisting in
emergencies and they can't be a part of it so it really chaps their butt,
and (2) the other, who claims to be a ham is nothing more than a
do-nothing baby, who just crys and whines about what others are doing
because he is either too stupid or too lazy to do something himself.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:26:31 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing

snip

Is anyone else getting tired of hearing the phrase, (or any variation
thereof) "step up to the plate" besides me?

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan/W4NTI


And I'd like to add kudos for all those outside the disaster area who are
processing the traffic. I've heard people with voices quavery with extreme
old age and voices young enough that I doubt they are old enough to shave
and every age in between. All are operating in an efficient and
professional manner.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan/W4NTI


And I'd like to add kudos for all those outside the disaster area who are
processing the traffic. I've heard people with voices quavery with
extreme old age and voices young enough that I doubt they are old enough
to shave and every age in between. All are operating in an efficient and
professional manner.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Ain't it amazing Dee? Ham Radio is safe. I no longer doubt it.

Dan/W4NTI

Isn't it ironic citizens despise amateur radio and they will go to court to
insure amateur antennas are never installed in their neighborhood. But when
commercial radio and cell phone fail, they expect we can provide
communication without antennas. Think about it.

AA8X




"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan/W4NTI