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![]() "Jerry" wrote in message . .. wrote in message oups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military" infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel. Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur equipment and render it useless as well. The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio operators. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions, have NOT been inundated with flood waters. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you have not specified that transport) and has the help of an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land (some place unspecified). Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license. What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible in emergency communications. And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen. You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done. This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal: Ham-radio operators assist in rescue fforts Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire. Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing reality that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee. Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans. Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink. The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt. Patients have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had to overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of us.". If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really want. I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had no "real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications was handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will be done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands or a mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it not. Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be established like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of articles on TV and radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry King Live mentioned! The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but the viability of Amateur Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's communications infrastructure, which it is HAS been since the beginning. Nothing puts the lie to your ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter know that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any other way! ![]() J At the probability of getting accused, again, of boasting.....I am happy to read of the success of the chopper flights. The Alabama Emergency Net responded to a extremely weak station requesting to contact Tallahassee Fla hospital and ask them to come up on VHF. We passed it via several relays. Then heard nothing more. I sincerely hope we helped in a little way. Dan/W4NTI 3965 |
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![]() "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message cut Don't sweat it dipwad....I am completely and totally positive that with your attitude....No ham radio group would want your "assistance". where is Stveie to decry your profanity More of the Double standard Dan/W4NTI WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz. Dan/W4NTI You have to remember that most people are totally unclear as to the differences between profanity, vulgarity, obscenity, cursing, and swearing. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I know that they have sensitive virgin eyes. Perhaps they should also learn English. Dan/W4NTI |
#123
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![]() "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... cut WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz. more profanity? Dan/W4NTI Your right Dee. Dan/W4NTI |
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#125
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![]() Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... cut WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz. more profanity? Dan/W4NTI Your right Dee. Idoit there is nothign written by there to be right or wrong Dan/W4NTI |
#126
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![]() "Dave Heil" wrote in message k.net... Frank Gilliland wrote: On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in . net: First you wrote: ...Ain't no one thumping chests here. Immediately followed by: I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio. Hypocrite. If you don't like it. Gent bent It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud. You're statement is more than stupid. I know of no one, radio amateur or not, who wanted such a tragedy to take place. Get some perspective you sick expletive deleted. Wow! It is difficult to believe that one who thinks the way you do, could accept that it is you who needs the perspective. Dave K8MN The last time I saw anything like this was the rubble we left that used to be Cholon district of Saigon during TET. I still wake up seeing that. And to think this moron thinks anyone actually wished for a disaster that has hit the Gulf Coast of the US is beyond stupid. He is braindead. Well, thanks to all of you out there that know what is going on. I'm done dealing with this fool. My break is over, going back to the rig. 73 Dan/W4NTI |
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... cut And what has license class got to do with it ?? If you can't help with your radio activity and can't go, there alway always donations needed. The point is your individual negatism toward the ARRL and people's individual activities. I have already stated that I have donated But factual there is nothing a Tech class op in the UP can do at this as a radio op. That is a true statement and yet you flame me for it Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
#128
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![]() Dee Flint wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... cut Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the other hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating. in a word Bull Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing, what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family. you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid. You just start barking order to do what isn't possible. There's always donations needed. Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference (location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just like to know they in fact exist somewhere I check into the SE Michigan Traffic Net a couple of times a week. If you will look in the ARRL directory, there are quite a few VHF nets listed for Michigan. I have indeed but I guess you don't know where the UP of Michigan is there are a few VHF nets here but no linkage between them and the NTS as far as I know Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest enough to admit to it Dee D. Flint, N8UZE No that double standard exists only in your own interpretations. No it exists in your actions Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
#129
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![]() Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... cut Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I can see now I am fighting with a mental case. Here is a suggestion "old friend" START a VHF NET. Get some stations with HF capabilities to link with the HF network. There you are....your now in the system. Don't know how to do it? Don't trust my advice? Check with ARRL.org. DOn't trust them either probably. again with with yours suggestions/orders? I doubt that trying to dublicate the effort of the HF hams would go over very well Just who are you to tell how to run MY station/ If I am a mental case for asserting my own autonomy then so be it It isn't a matter of Trusting the ARRL it is a matter I don't support the ARRL, I don't feel they have been represnting the true interests of the ARS, other such as Carl Stevenson have held these views as well (although he seems to have changed his mind, and if he is succesfull I may give them another chance to earn my support) EXACTLY what some firebrands did in this part of Alabama. They started their own V/Uhf system. And it is a fabulous success. Oh...is that bragging again? You know what? I realy don't want to be such a fireband I have heard other round here tell their stories and am getting the feel of the land indeed I agree that HF based net make more sense here in the UP than VHF or UHF nets Indeed we have enough trouble maintianing our Skywarn nets on VHF hopefully the new 6M repeater we will soon have will help, if not I and everyone else will have to look at it some more Dan/W4NTI |
#130
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![]() Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: an old friend wrote: Just who are you to tell how to run MY station/ Someone needs to, you obviously don't know how. Not at all and NO One has the right short of the FCC One of the biggest problems poised to become the very biggest is the bossyness of various hams |
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