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Cmdr Buzz Corey October 30th 05 04:47 AM

FAQ
 
The Magnum wrote:


Most UK Amateurs are horrified that their airspace is being
invaded by these "CB type lowlife" (their words not mine) which suprises me
as i firmly believe anyone gaining their M3 licence would go on to
Intermediate... etc not stop there


Yes, one would think so. That is what our Novice license was for, an
entry type of license, nothing real hard on the test, only 5wpm for
code, limited power and not all frequency privileges.

so i cant see why the "old hams" arent
encoraging them rather than belittling them.


It seems that is often the position taken not by just 'old hams' today,
but by some of those who do upgrade. Kinda like how as a freshman in
high-school you were looked down on by upper-classmen. It didn't use to
be that way. When I had my Novice ticket, I probably worked more General
and higher class licensees on the Novice bands because they would come
to the Novice frequencies and work us, sending code slowly and carefully
to encourage us to get proficient enough to upgrade. Amateur radio used
to be very gentlemanly, still is for the most part but seems amateur
radio has begun to reflect much of today's rude society.



Polymath October 30th 05 06:12 AM

FAQ
 
"Not-Ham" Hull is otherwise known as "THE INCURABLE CBER",
one of the CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams who infest this NG.

Some years ago he was abusing his employer's computer system
to heap offensive and insulting remarks at me, an abuse to
which I took exception and complained. Not-Ham has proved himself
to be infantile in the extreme by maintaining a temper-tantrum
on the matter for years on end. If only he could see that
I saved him from himself......in today's world, such abuse
of an employer's computer system is a sacking offence!

But then, that's the brain of a Childish Broadcaster (CBer)
for you!

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
huLLy wrote:
huLLy wrote:

Polymath wrote:


It's purpose is to fill the coffers of a Brit publishing
company, the RSCB - The Radio Society for Citizen's Band.


It's 'its' you ****wit!



and Citizens' Band... what a poor disgrace you are to our worldwide
associates..


I would say the language you use makes you a much poorer disgrace to our
world wide associates than his misuse of an '.



Polymath October 30th 05 07:02 AM

FAQ
 
An interesting challenge. But, since you raised it,
you first!

Over to you.....

John Miles wrote:
In article .com,
says...
Also known as the M3/CB Fools' Licence - any 6 year old, having
no previous knowledge or experience of Ham Radio can attend a
weekend course and leave on the Monday with a licence.


So, Polymath, what have you homebrewed lately?



huLLy October 30th 05 07:16 AM

FAQ
 
Nedlar wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:50:03 +0100, "huLLy"
wrote:


It's 'its' you ****wit!


Why don't you correct your CB chum Magnum?
His postings are typical of the semi-literate, brain-dead CBr.


'Magnum' has never made jumped up claims to his own self importance.
--
huLLy
Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



huLLy October 30th 05 07:17 AM

FAQ
 
John Miles wrote:
In article .com,
says...
Also known as the M3/CB Fools' Licence - any 6 year old, having
no previous knowledge or experience of Ham Radio can attend a
weekend course and leave on the Monday with a licence.


So, Polymath, what have you homebrewed lately?


Has he been banned from the off-license?

--
huLLy
Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



huLLy October 30th 05 07:21 AM

FAQ
 
Polymath wrote:

Some years ago he was abusing his employer's computer system
to heap offensive and insulting remarks at me, an abuse to
which I took exception and complained.


I find it amazing that you can remember that, but can't remember being a
member of a Christian bell ringing group, owning a CB license et al...
--
huLLy
Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



huLLy October 30th 05 07:32 AM

FAQ
 
huLLy wrote:
Polymath wrote:

Some years ago he was abusing his employer's computer system
to heap offensive and insulting remarks at me, an abuse to
which I took exception and complained.


I find it amazing that you can remember that, but can't remember
being a member of a Christian bell ringing group, owning a CB license
et al...


I seem to remember I was castigating you for your god-awful remarks re the
deathd of the Soham girls, so totally justified. Luckily, your email
(pleading for me to be sacked), was laughed out of IT. You were spotted like
the insane fool you are, in about 10 seconds.

Remember, dear readers, that only one person on the entire newsgroup, has
ever been arrested for internet harrassment. I bet you can't think who that
might be...

Draw your own conclusions.
--
huLLy
Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



Nimrod October 30th 05 02:18 PM

FAQ
 

Polymath wrote:
An interesting challenge. But, since you raised it,
you first!

Over to you.....

John Miles wrote:
In article .com,
says...
Also known as the M3/CB Fools' Licence - any 6 year old, having
no previous knowledge or experience of Ham Radio can attend a
weekend course and leave on the Monday with a licence.


So, Polymath, what have you homebrewed lately?


Gareth, John is well known for his homebrew achievements. Look at his
website.

The ball is most definitely now in your court.

What have you homebrewed?

Neil


John L. Sielke October 30th 05 03:18 PM

FAQ
 
Polymath wrote:
Your offering below, riddled as it is with childish
insults illustrates well that you are a CBer.

Peter wrote:

NO...
It IS your intention to insult them, just behind their backs so you run less risk
of them replying. Your post was not really intended as an "FAQ", it was purely
a relatively "safe" release for your personal anger.
Wuss.



Polymath,

Just thought I would let you know, since almost all your replies come from the
CB crowd, that at least on this side of the pond, someone agrees with you. The
continuing "dumbing down" of license requirements will be the death of Ham
Radio. Unfortunatley, it's a side effect of the overall dumbing down of the
entire educational system. Teachers are not allowed to flunk a student, or even
criticize, for fear that the poor student's "self esteem" will suffer. If a
student makes a gross error, the response is, "I can see where you get your
answer, and it is very good, how about considering some alternatives?" Instead
of, "Sorry, you're wrong, go read the f*cking book!"

Keep it up, don't let the ignorant ******* get you down.

John W2AGN (unlike most of your gutless responders, not afraid to identify myself)

Polymath October 30th 05 07:20 PM

FAQ
 
John,

Thank-you for your kind words. It must be difficult,
however to navigate through the QRM of false Polymaths
who are infesting this NG. (I note that a rather silly
and infantile CBer has already replied to you as Polymath)

For some reason, despite taking a stance of encouraging
all comers to exert themselves and join in what is an
exciting technical pursuit, I am plagued with quite
a few mental defectives who forge postings, amongst other
things. I really do not understand the infantile mentality
of them, for, if they were to put the same effort into
pursuing Ham Radio that they do into their childish attacks,
they'd find life much more rewarding!

There was something from you in my in-tray, however
I delete all unsolicited emails - if something comes
up as the result of the NG then the place to discuss
it is in the NG.

Thanks again and 73.

John L. Sielke wrote:
Polymath wrote:
Your offering below, riddled as it is with childish
insults illustrates well that you are a CBer.
Peter wrote:
NO...
It IS your intention to insult them, just behind their backs so you run less risk
of them replying. Your post was not really intended as an "FAQ", it was purely
a relatively "safe" release for your personal anger.
Wuss.



Polymath,
Just thought I would let you know, since almost all your replies come from the
CB crowd, that at least on this side of the pond, someone agrees with you. The
continuing "dumbing down" of license requirements will be the death of Ham
Radio. Unfortunatley, it's a side effect of the overall dumbing down of the
entire educational system. Teachers are not allowed to flunk a student, or even
criticize, for fear that the poor student's "self esteem" will suffer. If a
student makes a gross error, the response is, "I can see where you get your
answer, and it is very good, how about considering some alternatives?" Instead
of, "Sorry, you're wrong, go read the f*cking book!"

Keep it up, don't let the ignorant ******* get you down.

John W2AGN (unlike most of your gutless responders, not afraid to identify myself)



an_old_friend October 30th 05 07:28 PM

FAQ
 

Polymath wrote:
John,

Thank-you for your kind words. It must be difficult,
however to navigate through the QRM of false Polymaths
who are infesting this NG. (I note that a rather silly
and infantile CBer has already replied to you as Polymath)

For some reason, despite taking a stance of encouraging
all comers to exert themselves and join in what is an
exciting technical pursuit, I am plagued with quite
a few mental defectives who forge postings, amongst other
things. I really do not understand the infantile mentality
of them, for, if they were to put the same effort into
pursuing Ham Radio that they do into their childish attacks,
they'd find life much more rewarding!


if you think you "FAQ" is refelctive of a stance of "encouraging all
comers to exert themselves and join in what is an exciting technical
pursuit" then I must say you even more screwed than most of OT posting
about Code code uber alles



Peter October 31st 05 07:55 AM

FAQ
 
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote...

No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are.


For some reason, I am beginning to feel hungry.

Catch you later, I'm off for a large portion of chicken...


Regards,

Peter.



Dana November 12th 05 08:02 AM

FAQ
 
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, The Magnum wrote:


Yet another reason I will never obtain a ham ticket.


Good news for ham radio!


Yep, there will be no one left on Ham soon after all the old farts have
died...

You seem to think that
your little piece of paper raises your IQ.


Yet with you cber IQ you couldn't pass the test even though the answers
to the questions are available.


Try taking an IQ test and i bet theres hardly any difference between you and
most people on CB. The only test you would outshine most CBers would be
radio related...




an old friend November 12th 05 11:03 AM

FAQ
 

Dana wrote:
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

I agree they made that mistake, they are about to fix that one by
droping it to where it belonged in the first place zero


The Magnum November 12th 05 12:08 PM

FAQ
 

"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just
talk to people? I know all about the arguements about it getting through
when all else fails but is it really life and death?? If i cant get through
on the radio I use a Phone or the Internet. After all its just a hobby.
Besides, doesnt all that dot dot dot.. dash dash dash give you a headache
after a while??
Dont get me wrong, im not having a go at Amateurs im just asking the
question.. why is it so important?

Regards,
Graham



zjjPK November 12th 05 01:51 PM

FAQ
 
Jock. wrote:

Yes, but he's a Yank.


oh ... didnt know that.



zjjPK November 12th 05 02:02 PM

FAQ
 
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.
cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.
problems cause complaints.
complaints cause investigations.
investigations cost money.
money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!


and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.



zjjPK November 12th 05 02:02 PM

FAQ
 
"The Magnum" wrote:


"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just



its not absurd.

if you did the morse test you would understand.


The Magnum November 12th 05 02:58 PM

FAQ
 

"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:


"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5

wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just



its not absurd.

if you did the morse test you would understand.


Then can you explain it to me then? Im not being flippant, I actually want
to know why its important and why, in your words, it drops the quality of
people who chose to become Amateur if they don't do morse... why does it
make them any less of a good Amateur?... and why do you think that because
morse might be dropped the band will become full of CB people who will wreak
havoc? And why do you class all CB'ers as the same?



an_old_friend November 12th 05 05:12 PM

FAQ
 

zjjPK wrote:
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.


suppositions and unsuported

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.


again suposition


when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


not realy the FCC did not bother with complaints for many years

that is why the bands got trashy
cut


an_old_friend November 12th 05 05:19 PM

FAQ
 

zjjPK wrote:
"The Magnum" wrote:


"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just



its not absurd.


it is asburd

if you did the morse test you would understand.


I have and I do understand it is an absurd hazing ritual


zarPK November 12th 05 05:32 PM

FAQ
 
"The Magnum" wrote:

Then can you explain it to me then? Im not being flippant, I actually want
to know why its important and why, in your words, it drops the quality of
people who chose to become Amateur if they don't do morse... why does it
make them any less of a good Amateur?... and why do you think that because
morse might be dropped the band will become full of CB people who will wreak
havoc? And why do you class all CB'ers as the same?


all you have to do is observe the behaviour on this newsgroup.

the outrageous foul language used.

and then listen to 40m




by even attempting to do the morse test shows an attempt and willingness
to improve.
something that 2500 showed they didnt have when they ran away.

and worse... they showed it to the authorities.


zarPK November 12th 05 05:35 PM

FAQ
 
"an_old_friend" wrote:


zjjPK wrote:
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.


suppositions and unsuported

never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?




when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.


again suposition

never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?



when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


not realy the FCC did not bother with complaints for many years

that is why the bands got trashy


and they will continue to get 'trashy'


if 'u' are given a licence for almost no-effort then that licence is
worthless because when lost ..it represents no-amount of effort.



an_old_friend November 12th 05 05:40 PM

FAQ
 

zarPK wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote:


zjjPK wrote:
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.


suppositions and unsuported

never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?


yes I have

indeed I hear very little there a subject I find of some concern




when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.


again suposition

never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?

yes i have listened

I also know I almost nothing for my license yet I value it highly for
what it alows me to do



when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


not realy the FCC did not bother with complaints for many years

that is why the bands got trashy


and they will continue to get 'trashy'


and this is not affected by the testing or lack of it

you don't put the cops out looking for speeding you don't chatch the
speeders

making the linces harder to get does not stopp the speeder the fears of
the cops does


if 'u' are given a licence for almost no-effort then that licence is
worthless because when lost ..it represents no-amount of effort.


you are wrong my License was given me with no more efort than it took
to show and take the test (the book i had ordered to studiy arrived the
day after the test


The Magnum November 12th 05 07:22 PM

FAQ
 

"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


Lol, great command of the English language there. I wonder if his morse is
as bad........

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.


I disagree. There might be one or two idiots but that doesnt fall completely
at the ease of getting the licence.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.


Once again, after showing a willingness to actually bother to get licenced,
being it easy or not, they have to purchase the said equipment. Surely your
not saying CB'ers who dont give a rats ass about Amateur are spending their
hard earnt? money on Amateur kit, and getting registered so you can find out
who and where they are... just to mess about and upset a few advanced
Amateurs? Seems a very strange way of going about things.

Surely these idiot users are more likely the completely unlicenced users on
stolen radios or kids messing about on parents radios while they are out
rather than someone who wants to become a "first step" Amateur? Also quite a
few people who gain M3 licences or whatever the equivelent in the US surely
would go on to intermediate and so on rather than just stop there. A few
will yes but many will want to progress.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.


Or maybe not....... your now trying to say Amateurs above the entry level
never cause interference or mess about sometimes on the air.... b-ll-cks.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


yes........

end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.


Err, whats wrong with CBers becoming radio Amateurs? Its happened for years
and years....long before the licence was made easier. And most of them
became perfectly respected Amateurs.

cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.


NO....idiots on Amateur bands will cause problems. Or do you tar all CB
radio users with the same brush?

problems cause complaints.


Yes.........

complaints cause investigations.


Yes............

investigations cost money.


Yes......

money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!


Saved for what? The fully licenced Annual Amateur Jamboree ?

and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)


Oh in that case it must be right then.....

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.


For gods sake... morse isnt the "be all and end all of radio", its an old
out-dated form of communication which had its use in the past but is now
just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why
not welcome the new Amateurs and encorage them to advance rather than look
down on them. The licence was made easier because the userbase of Amateur
was drastically on the decline. It was done to encorage more people to get
involved and keep the "hobby" alive.

Regards,
Graham



an_old_friend November 12th 05 09:36 PM

FAQ
 

The Magnum wrote:

oh my a post in which with ervery word of yours
"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.


Lol, great command of the English language there. I wonder if his morse is
as bad........

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.


I disagree. There might be one or two idiots but that doesnt fall completely
at the ease of getting the licence.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.


Once again, after showing a willingness to actually bother to get licenced,
being it easy or not, they have to purchase the said equipment. Surely your
not saying CB'ers who dont give a rats ass about Amateur are spending their
hard earnt? money on Amateur kit, and getting registered so you can find out
who and where they are... just to mess about and upset a few advanced
Amateurs? Seems a very strange way of going about things.

Surely these idiot users are more likely the completely unlicenced users on
stolen radios or kids messing about on parents radios while they are out
rather than someone who wants to become a "first step" Amateur? Also quite a
few people who gain M3 licences or whatever the equivelent in the US surely
would go on to intermediate and so on rather than just stop there. A few
will yes but many will want to progress.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.


Or maybe not....... your now trying to say Amateurs above the entry level
never cause interference or mess about sometimes on the air.... b-ll-cks.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


yes........

end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.


Err, whats wrong with CBers becoming radio Amateurs? Its happened for years
and years....long before the licence was made easier. And most of them
became perfectly respected Amateurs.

cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.


NO....idiots on Amateur bands will cause problems. Or do you tar all CB
radio users with the same brush?

problems cause complaints.


Yes.........

complaints cause investigations.


Yes............

investigations cost money.


Yes......

money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!


Saved for what? The fully licenced Annual Amateur Jamboree ?

and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)


Oh in that case it must be right then.....

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.


For gods sake... morse isnt the "be all and end all of radio", its an old
out-dated form of communication which had its use in the past but is now
just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why
not welcome the new Amateurs and encorage them to advance rather than look
down on them. The licence was made easier because the userbase of Amateur
was drastically on the decline. It was done to encorage more people to get
involved and keep the "hobby" alive.

Regards,
Graham



zarPK November 13th 05 04:14 PM

FAQ
 
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why


I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.


The Magnum November 13th 05 08:27 PM

FAQ
 

"zarPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt

want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt.

Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.


That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also" to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.

Regards,
Graham



zYYPK November 14th 05 10:08 PM

FAQ
 
"The Magnum" wrote:


"zarPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt

want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt.

Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.


That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also" to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.



IT IS MY OPINION THAT...
theres a difference between
a cb'er who choses to join and amateur radio to improve his/her knowledge
and capability with radio
and
a cb'er who choses to invade amateur bands just to have extra bands to
play with and brings his/her 11m habits with him/her


an old friend November 15th 05 04:16 AM

FAQ
 

Walter Raleigh wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:08:18 GMT,

(zYYPK) blurted forth into cyberspace:

*apologies to Spike*
IT IS MY OPINION THAT...
theres a difference between
a cb'er who choses to join and amateur radio to improve his/her knowledge
and capability with radio
and
a cb'er who choses to invade amateur bands just to have extra bands to
play with and brings his/her 11m habits with him/her


thta of course depends on what those CB habits are

many Cber don't intend to operate at varrance with the rules (it is
possible at various points to break certain rules without intending I
have broken the 150 mile rule a few times is was rela drag though I was
trying to talk accroos town till the landmarks did not check out I was
in springffield IL and was talking to sringfeild MO without meaning to

Absolutely correct.
--

73s de Walter R.



see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm November 15th 05 05:29 PM

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In uk.radio.amateur The Magnum wrote:
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck all
the time.


Whish is firmly where the responsibility is meant to lay. The Licensee is
the one responsible for the correct operation of his station at all times.
If he is not physically present, it is his/her responsibilty to ensure that
the equipment is disabled.
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

The Magnum November 15th 05 06:13 PM

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"zYYPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:


"zarPK"


rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who

doesnt
want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond

contempt.
Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.


That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands

who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who

seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags

in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also"

to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.



IT IS MY OPINION THAT...
theres a difference between
a cb'er who choses to join and amateur radio to improve his/her knowledge
and capability with radio
and
a cb'er who choses to invade amateur bands just to have extra bands to
play with and brings his/her 11m habits with him/her



Yes, I agree with you whole heartedly but many older Hams refer to "both" as
simply CB'ers. This "will" upset genuine CB radio operators, and those who
did advance to Amateur from CB, as many full licence Hams dont seem able to
distinguish between the two, or dont want to distinguish... thats the
problem.
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck all
the time.
Regards,
Graham



The Magnum November 15th 05 06:19 PM

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"Walter Raleigh" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:08:18 GMT,


com.ie.net
(zYYPK) blurted forth into cyberspace:

*apologies to Spike*
IT IS MY OPINION THAT...
theres a difference between
a cb'er who choses to join and amateur radio to improve his/her knowledge
and capability with radio
and
a cb'er who choses to invade amateur bands just to have extra bands to
play with and brings his/her 11m habits with him/her


Absolutely correct.
--

73s de Walter R.


Not absolutely correct. Correct in some instances but i know lots of people
on 11 meter who go on SSB (illegaly of course) who treat it sensibly and
dont mess about. Many 11 meter users, especially the SSB users, have
reasonably good control on the airwaves even to the point of writing a log
and QSL'ing. These are CB'ers im talking about by the way, not Amateurs
although I know a couple of Amateurs who used to join in occasionally (using
their pirate call signs of course)
Regards,
Graham



The Magnum November 15th 05 06:37 PM

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"see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm"
wrote in message ...
In uk.radio.amateur The Magnum

wrote:
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on

Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they

are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck

all
the time.


Whish is firmly where the responsibility is meant to lay. The Licensee is
the one responsible for the correct operation of his station at all times.
If he is not physically present, it is his/her responsibilty to ensure

that
the equipment is disabled.
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.


Maybe not to the point of disconnecting his/her equipment but at least
bringing up their kids to be respectful of things. I would personally put a
lock on the "shack" door so I could secure the room but some people have
them in their living room so sometimes I guess its asking for trouble. My CB
is in my office and also one in my repair "shack" and when I go out I make
sure both are locked. If I can do it for CB why cant they do it with their
Amateur kit... which is far more valuable in any case. Mind you, some adults
cant even be arsed to secure their guns but thats a different story.......
Regards,
Graham



an old friend November 15th 05 07:17 PM

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see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm wrote:
In uk.radio.amateur The Magnum wrote:
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck all
the time.


Whish is firmly where the responsibility is meant to lay. The Licensee is
the one responsible for the correct operation of his station at all times.
If he is not physically present, it is his/her responsibilty to ensure that
the equipment is disabled.


not exactly or only in theory the Ham is responible for the use of his
equipement, but when was the last time the FCC tried to bust a ham for
say someone breaking into his car and using the equipment

In addition some modes can be used without the ham being present at
all

My car for example will transmit an APRS signal at intervals anytime
the engine is running, unless I turn it off each time I turn on the
engine. This allows me to kow where the body thing is if my old man
calls back to house and tells me he is lost, or if I found the car
missing and knew none of had it I could tell the cops where to go find
the theives
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.



see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm November 15th 05 08:46 PM

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In uk.radio.amateur an old friend wrote:
not exactly or only in theory the Ham is responible for the use of his
equipement, but when was the last time the FCC tried to bust a ham for
say someone breaking into his car and using the equipment

In addition some modes can be used without the ham being present at
all

My car for example will transmit an APRS signal at intervals anytime
the engine is running, unless I turn it off each time I turn on the
engine. This allows me to kow where the body thing is if my old man
calls back to house and tells me he is lost, or if I found the car
missing and knew none of had it I could tell the cops where to go find
the theives


Since when has the FCC had jurisdiction over radio amateurs in the UK?
British regulations are different to that in the UK.
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

zYYPK November 15th 05 09:16 PM

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"The Magnum" wrote:


Not absolutely correct. Correct in some instances but i know lots of people
on 11 meter who go on SSB (illegaly of course) who treat it sensibly and
dont mess about. Many 11 meter users, especially the SSB users, have
reasonably good control on the airwaves even to the point of writing a log
and QSL'ing. These are CB'ers im talking about by the way, not Amateurs
although I know a couple of Amateurs who used to join in occasionally (using
their pirate call signs of course)



later on...
i remembered those on 11m who are the height of decency and kindness
and strive for excellence on 11m rather than messing around.


zYYPK November 15th 05 10:09 PM

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"see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm"
wrote:
Since when has the FCC had jurisdiction over radio amateurs in the UK?


this can be arranged :-)


[email protected] November 18th 05 06:37 PM

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This kind of continual foul language, and the anti-M3 and anti-RSGB
attitude (not to mention the "wisdom" portrayed in sig files) are some of
the reasons why amateurs will not be taken seriously over the BPL issue.
Do the regulars of this group realise that it is becoming legendary for
everything Usenet was supposed not to be? Surely it is possible to have a
civilised debate without this stuff?

Jock. wrote:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:47:24 +0100, Nedlar wrote:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:50:03 +0100, "huLLy"
wrote:


It's 'its' you ****wit!


Why don't you correct your CB chum Magnum?
His postings are typical of the semi-literate, brain-dead CBr.


Yes, but he's a Yank. Illiteracy is expected of them.

--

73 de Jock.

"You will always find that those who are most apt to
boast of national merit, have little or no merit of
their own to depend on". - Oliver Goldsmith.





Brian Reay November 18th 05 07:07 PM

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wrote in message ...
This kind of continual foul language, and the anti-M3 and anti-RSGB
attitude (not to mention the "wisdom" portrayed in sig files) are some of
the reasons why amateurs will not be taken seriously over the BPL issue.
Do the regulars of this group realise that it is becoming legendary for
everything Usenet was supposed not to be? Surely it is possible to have a
civilised debate without this stuff?


It is an insecurity thing.

Look where the "and the anti-M3 and anti-RSGB attitude (not to mention the
"wisdom" portrayed in sig files) " comes from an you rarely see anything of
value from the same source.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk




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