Iitoi wrote:
Wrote:
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 25 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2892 916
Indeterminate (note 1) 180 69
Value for Percentages 2708 847
Against NPRM (note 2) 846 [30.26%] 294 [34.71%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1434 [52.95%] 398 [46.99%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 428 [15.81%] 155 [18.30%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 3 PM EDT 26 Oct 05.

Since the official publication in the Federal Register, the comments
seem to be turning "pro-code".

46.99% favor fully removing the cw test.
53.01% favor retaining some level of cw test.

Nothing like jabbing Lennie withn his own "research...

Allow me to add from Lennie's later post of the day:

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Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 26 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 3055 1079
Indeterminate (note 1) 192 81
Value for Percentages 2863 998
Against NPRM (note 2) 910 [31.78%] 355 [35.57%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1486 [51.90%] 450 [45.09%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 467 [16.31%] 193 [19.33%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 8 PM EDT 26 Oct 05.

UNQUOTE.

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...Notice in the "ALL
to date" column, "support" (for the NPRM) dropped a whole percentage
point in only five hours per Lennie's reporting! And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.

It's a good day.

73

Steve, K4YZ

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me. Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments. They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 27 Oct 2005 14:29:50 -0700, wrote:

Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

no you want the job
2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

ys it would seem so

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

well given the grading it would seem that they count as one unless
someone out there is submiting coments both For and Against code
testing

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

by gut feeling

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me. Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

you have your answers

BTW I thought I read you were leaving RRAP? what gives?

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments. They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

We appoint you to do this.

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

You tell us.

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

You tell us.

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

You tell us.

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me.

Wunnerful. Tally it both ways and let us know if it made a difference.

Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

But will you respect us in the morning?

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

Your questions will be answered in the details of you checking Len's
work, See Q/A #1 above.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments.

What other parties?

They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?

On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700, wrote:


wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

We appoint you to do this.

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

You tell us.

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

You tell us.

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

You tell us.

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me.

Wunnerful. Tally it both ways and let us know if it made a difference.

Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

But will you respect us in the morning?

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

Your questions will be answered in the details of you checking Len's
work, See Q/A #1 above.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments.

What other parties?

They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?

obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len

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On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700, wrote:


wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

We appoint you to do this.

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

You tell us.

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

You tell us.

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

You tell us.

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me.

Wunnerful. Tally it both ways and let us know if it made a difference.

Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

But will you respect us in the morning?

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

Your questions will be answered in the details of you checking Len's
work, See Q/A #1 above.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments.

What other parties?

They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?

obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len

Yep. He has no real interest in the issue since he's made up his mind
that the FCC is against his precious Morse Code exam. His only purpose
now is to try to discredit his primary antagonist before he departs
RRAP for Coslo's exclusive BBS.

Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

I statnd corrected...My apologies!

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

Or was Lennie just caught up in the heat of the moment, no longer
able to hide the change of the tide?

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

I statnd corrected...My apologies!

"stand"

Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

Hi! Steve prides hisself on correcting others misspellings.

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

He sure won't do the required footwork himself to verify Len's tally.
And in the past he and the other MMMM have challenged him based upon
the latter.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ


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Iitoi