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Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. |
A Quote from Len
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:42:18 +0000, Iitoi
wrote: Dee Flint Wrote: I believe that his point was that on the non-voice modes, you cannot tell whether someone is male or female or whether they are young or old. So that there is less chance of them being discriminated against or harassed by those who think women or young people should not be on the radio. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Is there a large percentage (or even a measurable fraction) of hams "who think women or young people should not be on the radio"? I think you have to go back several decades to the legendary W2OY (with aplologies to the current holder) to find a single visible example of that attitude. As a member of multiple minority groups (Native American, Hispanic surname, non-Christian religion) I'm sensitive to discrimination and harrassment issues. My long and enthusiastic association with amateur radio is in large part due to my complete acceptance within the hobby without any regard to my ethnic roots, skin color, or religion. Neither have I seen anything but complete acceptance of young people and those of the fairer gender in the hobby. If the general population were as tolerant of diversity as I've found the ham hobbiests to be, this would certainly be a nicer place to live. Thus N2EY's suggestion (if that's really his point as you surmise) that young people and females would do well to mask themselves behind keys/keyboards to avoid unpleasantness is ludicrous on it's face, and might be construed as a projection of an unrevealed agenda of his own. his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male I certainly prefer non voice mode myself FSATV esp The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered your gender is male. The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
A Quote from Len
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:22:33 +0000, Iitoi
wrote: Wrote: his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation. Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered your gender is male. not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys have proposed Marriage to me and other anoying stunts then get reaaallllly ****ed to find I am male The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
A Quote from Len
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A Quote from Len
wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way they are set up. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
A Quote from Len
"Iitoi" wrote in message ... Wrote: his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation. Just to clarify, I have never personally experienced such discrimination on the air and have no reason to avoid voice. I have known one youth who was discriminated against though. She was working CW and doing it better than the person with whom she was having a QSO. When that person learned her age, they terminated the QSO. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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A Quote from Len
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:12:51 +0000, Iitoi
wrote: Wrote: not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys have proposed Marriage to me Is this fool real? interesting that you ask after also start a thread titled Mark bough a new wris****ch The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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